Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Can't we.. do a point system and then maybe expand the details to assign points to firing arcs etc. etc.?
We thought about that, but dismissed it as too many rules. It's kinda clunky as is, I think.
Again, bear in mind no one here is obligated to take the whole ruleset I developed from SB.com. It's what worked for us, but it is also 5 years of dealing with powergamers, retards, and spammers, and in a few cases trying to identify "what-ifs" that wound up never being problems. So I'd recommend some modification.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
I would be up for such a STGOD, but only on the wars side.
I call Anaxes.
Note: I will only be able to play after 20th of May.
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
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A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
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Imperial Shipyards: START WITH 10 SHIPYARDS TOTAL.
200 m (70 points; 10 game months to build. You may start with up to 5 of these)
500 m (90 points; 10 game months to build. You may start with up to 5 of these)
800 m (100 points; 10 game months to build. You may start with up to 5 of these)
1000 m (130 points; 12 game months to build. You may start with up to 5 of these)
1200 m (150 points; 12 game months to build. You may not start with these)
1600 m (260 points; 12 game months to build. You may not start with these)
2200 m (400 points; 14 game months to build. You may not start with these)
19 km (2000 points; 48 game months to build. You may not start with these)
Gunships: 2 Points
Corellian---------------- Length: 120 m (2 mos)---- 4,800,000
Rifleman (Imperium)------ Length: 125 m (2 mos)---- 4,200,000
Corvettes: 2 Points
CR-90-------------------- Length: 150 m (2 mos)---- 1,500,000
Senex (Imperium)--------- Length: 145 m (4 mos)---- 2,000,000
Frigates: 3 Points
Lancer--------------------Length: 250 m (6 mos)--- 30,760,000
Nebulon-A-----------------Length: 300 m (6 mos)--- 9,500,000
Nebulon B-----------------Length: 300 m (6 mos)--- 12,000,000
Nebulon B (med.)----------Length: 300 m (8 mos)--- 14,000,000
Nebulon BII---------------Length: 253 m (6 mos)--- 12,000,000
Nebulon D-----------------Length: 300 m (6 mos)--- 20,000,000
Nebulon H-----------------Length: 340 m (6 mos)--- 23,000,000
Dreadnoughts: 4 points
Dreadnought-------------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)--- 35,555,000
Dreadnought II ---------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)--- 38,000,000
Dreadnought, (med)------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)--- 33,960,000
Cruisers, Light: 4 Points
Vibre ------------------- Length: 100 m (2 mos)---- 4,500,000
Bayonet ----------------- Length: 200 m (4 mos)--- 5,000,000
1000-class--------------- Length: 300 m (4 mos)--- 18,000,000
Carrack------------------ Length: 350 m (6 mos)--- 19,148,000
Strike------------------- Length: 450 m (8 mos)--- 20,110,000
Eidolon (Strike mod.)---- Length: 450 m (9 mos)--- 34,110,000
Cruisers, Medium: 5 points
Broadside---------------- Length: 500 m (8 mon)--- 45,000,000
Gladiator---------------- Length: 500 m (8 mon)--- 43,000,000
Enforcer----------------- Length: 598 m (8 mon)--- 50,000,000
Vindicator--------------- Length: 600 m (8 mon)--- 43,000,000
Chariot------------------ Length: 600 m (10 mos)-- 40,000,000
Interdictor (grav)------- Length: 600 m (10 mos)-- 52,240,000
Bulk--------------------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)--- 25,000,000
Cruisers, Medium: 6 points
Ecliptic-II (Imperium)--- Length: 752 m (10 mos)-- 45,000,000
Modular Taskforce-------- Length: 1150 m (10 mos)-- 90,000,000
Star Destroyers, Light: 8 points
Cantwell----------------- Length: 750 m (8 mos)-- 35,000,000
Senator------------------ Length: 870 m (10 mos)-- 59,000,000
Victory I---------------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 50,000,000
Victory II--------------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 57,000,000
Victory IV (SWE)--------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 62,000,000*
Victory X (SWE)---------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 64,500,000*
Lance VSD missile (SWE)-- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 65,000,000*
Quasar------------------- Length: 1200 m (10 mos)- 125,000,000
Star Destroyers: 12 points
Spectre (FrA)------------ Length: 1600 m (11 mos)- 140,500,000*
Emperor------------------ Length: 1600 m (12 mos)- 155,625,000
Imperial I--------------- Length: 1600 m (12 mos)- 140,500,000
Imperial II-------------- Length: 1600 m (12 mos)- 145,670,000
Imperial IIB (SWE)------- Length: 1600 m (12 mos)- 170,000,000*
Imperial III------------- Length: 1600 m (12 mos)- 160,000,000
Imperial IV (SWE)-------- Length: 1600 m (12 mos)- 184,000,000*
Imperial V (SWE)--------- Length: 1600 m (12 mos)- 192,000,000*
Nemesis class------------ Length: 1600 m (14 mos)- 160,500,000
Dominator (grav)--------- Length: 1600 m (14 mos)- 165,000,000
Star Destroyers, Command: 15 points
Allegiance--------------- Length: 2200 m (14 mos)--270,000,000
Star Destroyers, Heavy: 20 points (You must command at least 5 "Major" or higher worlds to build these)
Eradicator--------------- Length: 3,500 m (16 mos)---- 345,750,000
Star Lord---------------- Length: 3,900 m (16 mos)---- 380,000,000
Overlord----------------- Length: 6,200 m (18 mos)---- 450,250,000
Dark Sky----------------- Length: 7,400 m (20 mos)---- 560,000,000
Star Destroyers, Super: 150 points (You must command at least 10 "Major" or higher worlds to build these)
Vengeance---------------- Length: 10,000 m (24 mos)--- 150,000,000,000+
"Super" series----------- Length: 19,000 m (50 mos)--- 250,000,000,000+
Eclipse------------------ Length: 16,000 m (80 mos)- 1,000,000,000,000+
Planetary Assault Platform: 150 points (You must command at least 10 "Major" or higher worlds to build these)
Torpedo Sphere----------- Diam.: 1900 m (40 mos)- 1,000,000,000+
Assault Carriers: 10 points
Acclamator--------------- Length: 752 m (10 mos)-- 25,000,000
Doomgiver---------------- Length: 1800 m (16 mos)- 150,000,000
Starfighter Carriers: 10 points
Escort------------------- Length: 500 m (8 mos)--- 9,775,000
Venator SD--------------- Length: 1137 m (10 mos)- 100,000,000
Imperial Fighters:
TIE Fighter (Standard)--------- 120,000 /sqd: 1,400,000 /wing: 8,600,000
TIE Interceptor---------------- 135,000 /sqd: 1,600,000 /wing: 9,650,000
TIE Thrust--------------------- 135,000 /sqd: 1,600,000 /wing: 9,650,000
TIE Triwing Shadow------------- 140,000 /sqd: 1,650,000 /wing: 10,100,000
TIE Triwing Clutch------------- 150,000 /sqd: 1,700,000 /wing: 10,700,000
TIE Claw----------------------- 150,000 /sqd: 1,700,000 /wing: 10,700,000
TIE Vampire Mk. 1-------------- 150,000 /sqd: 1,700,000 /wing: 10,700,000
TIE Aggressor------------------ 150,000 /sqd: 1,700,000 /wing: 10,700,000
TIE V38 Devastator------------- 160,000 /sqd: 1,900,000 /wing: 12,450,000
TIE Hunter--------------------- 200,000 /sqd: 2,300,000 /wing: 14,300,000
TIE Retribution---------------- 220,000 /sqd: 2,635,000 /wing: 14,950,000
TIE Predator------------------- 250,000 /sqd: 2,650,000 /wing: 15,600,000
TIE Smasher-------------------- 340,000 /sqd: 2,700,000 /wing: 18,300,000
TIE Avenger ("Advanced")------- 400,000 /sqd: 3,300,000 /wing: 24,300,000+
TIE Vampire Mk. 2-------------- 425,000 /sqd: 3,980,000 /wing: 27,300,000+
TIE Marauder (uncloaked)------- 500,000 /sqd: 5,850,000 /wing: 54,000,000+
ADVANCED FIGHTERS: 1 POINT PER SQUADRON
TIE Defender ------------------ 800,000 /sqd: 12,000,000 /wing: 80,000,000+
TIE Reaper ------------------ 1,500,000 /sqd: 16,000,000 /wing: 105,000,000+
TIE Triwing Phantom (cloak)-- 1,500,000 /sqd: 16,000,000 /wing: 105,000,000+
TIE BOMBERS & SUPPORT CRAFT:
TIE Rapier--------------------- 250,000 /sqd: 3,000,000 /wing: 18,000,000
TIE Bomber--------------------– 150,000 /sqd: 1,700,000 /wing: 10,700,000
TIE Dive Bomber---------------- 210,000 /sqd: 2,120,000 /wing: 16,700,000
TIE Torpedo Bomber------------- 210,000 /sqd: 2,120,000 /wing: 16,700,000
TIE Scimitar Assault Bomber---- 310,000 /sqd: 3,700,000 /wing: 22,150,000+
TIE Talon Capship Assault------ 510,000 /sqd: 5,700,000 /wing: 55,150,000+
TIE/EW----------------------- 1,000,000 /sqd: 10,000,000 /wing: 71,000,000
TIE Scout---------------------- 150,000 /sqd: 1,700,000 /wing: 10,700,000
TIE Infiltrator---------------- 155,000 /sqd: 1,745,000 /wing: 11,300,000
TIE Assault Shuttle------------ 160,000 /sqd: 1,900,000 /wing: 12,450,000
[/u]Imperial Support Special Craft[/u]: 8 points
Prison Ship, Lictor------------ Length: 764 m (12 mos)---- 62,800,000
Command Ship, Pathfinder------- Length: 38 m (6 mos)---- 170,000
Research Vessel, Pulsar class-- Length: 950 m (12 mos)---- 70,250,000+
Imperial Space Stations:
Imperial Research Station (20 pts)-- Length: 757 m (8 mos)----- 65,000,000+
Baas-class Resupply Base (4 pts)---- Length: 900 m (5 mos)----- 5,000,000
Resupply Base (6 pts)---- Diam: 200m/Height: 1540 m (4 mos)----- 15,000,000
XQ1 Platform (3 pts)---------------- Length: 250 m (4 mos)----- 500,000
XQ2 Platform (4 pts)---------------- Length: 250 m (4 mos)----- 600,000
XQ3 Platform (5 pts)---------------- Length: 250 m (4 mos)----- 700,000
XQ4 Platform (6 pts)---------------- Length: 250 m (4 mos)----- 800,000
XQ5 Platform (7 pts)---------------- Length: 250 m (4 mos)----- 900,000
XQ6 Platform (8 pts)---------------- Length: 250 m (4 mos)----- 1,000,000
Golan I Defense Station (10 pts)---- Length: 1231 m (8 mos)--- 200,000,000
Golan II Defense Station (12 pts)--- Length: 2158 m (10 mos)--- 250,000,000
Golan III Defense Station (14 pts)-- Length: 2600 m (12 mos)--- 300,000,000
Imperial Special Units: 10 points
Dark Trooper Company------------ Amount: 100 troops (6 mos)--- 100,000,000+
Imperial-Specific Freighters: (Points: NA)
SFS Omega-class Transport--------- Length: 48 m (4 per month)--- 35,000
Imperial Passenger Tranports, Shuttles, Couriers and Liners: (Points: NA)
Courier, Starcourier class-------- Length: 27 m 85,000/ sqd: 1,000,000 /wing: 6,100,000
Shuttle, KDY Lambda-class--------- Length: 20 m (10 /month)--–- 240,000 each
Troop Transport, Katarn-class----- Length: 28 m (8 /month)--–- 100,000 each
Troop Transport, SFS Sentinel----- Length: 35 m (8 /month)--–- 250,000 each
Passenger Liner, Starcutter------- Length: 1150 m (6 months)--- 4,500,000
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Republic Capitol Warships:
Republic Shipyards: START WITH 10 SHIPYARDS TOTAL.
200 m (70 points; 10 game months to build. You may start with up to 5 of these)
300 m (90 points; 10 game months to build. You may start with up to 5 of these)
500 m (100 points; 10 game months to build. You may start with up to 5 of these)
1000 m (130 points; 12 game months to build. You may start with up to 5 of these)
1400 m (150 points; 12 game months to build. You may not start with these)
2000 m (260 points; 12 game months to build. You may not start with these)
3600 m (400 points; 14 game months to build. You may not start with these)
10000 m (2000 points; 48 game months to build. You may not start with these)
Gunships: 2 points
Corellian----------------- Length: 120 m (2 mos)--- 4,800,000
Corvettes: 2 points
CR-90--------------------- Length: 150 m (2 mos)--- 1,500,000
FarStar Pocket Carrier---- Length: 150 m (3 mos)--- 1,750,000
New Republic-------------- Length: 145 m (4 mos)--- 1,890,000
Kamino (Bothan)----------- Length: 165 m (4 mos)--- 1,750,000*
Frigates: 3 points
Corona---------------------Length: 275 m (6 mos)-- 13,000,000
Nebulon-A------------------Length: 300 m (6 mos)-- 9,500,000
Nebulon B------------------Length: 300 m (6 mos)-- 12,000,000
Nebulon B (med)------------Length: 300 m (8 mos)-- 14,000,000
Nebulon BII----------------Length: 253 m (6 mos)-- 12,000,000
Nebulon D------------------Length: 300 m (6 mos)-- 20,000,000
Nebulon III (UAP)--------- Length: 350 m (6 mos)-- 18,000,000*
Nebulon IV (UAP)---------- Length: 450 m (6 mos)-- 19,200,000*
Monarch (SAS)--------------Length: 300 m (6 mos)-- 21,000,000*
Regent (SAS)---------------Length: 300 m (6 mos)-- 21,000,000*
Barriss Offee (SAS med)----Length: 300 m (7 mos)-- 22,000,000*
Nebulon H------------------Length: 340 m (6 mos)-- 23,000,000
Dreadnoughts: 4 points
Dreadnought--------------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)--- 35,555,000
Dreadnought II ----------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)--- 38,000,000
Dreadnought (GC med)------ Length: 600 m (8 mos)--- 33,960,000
Dreadnought, Katana ------ Length: 600 m (10 mos)-- 41,400,000
Rebel Assault 'Cruiser'----Length: 700 m (8 mos)--- 35,000,000
Cruisers, Light: 4 points
Vibre (Bothan)------------ Length: 100 m (2 mos)--- 4,500,000
Republic------------------ Length: 115 m (2 mos)--- 1,255,000
Bayonet ------------------ Length: 200 m (4 mos)--- 5,000,000
1000-class---------------- Length: 300 m (4 mos)--- 18,000,000
Strike-------------------- Length: 450 m (8 mos)--- 20,110,000
Cruisers, Medium: 5 points
Endor (Bothan)------------ Length: 500 m (8 mos)-- 45,000,000
Enforcer------------------ Length: 598 m (8 mos)-- 50,000,000
Queen Tasia (SAS)--------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)-- 43,000,000*
Bulk---------------------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)-- 25,000,000
Majestic (UAP)------------ Length: 600 m (8 mos)-- 26,000,000*
Majestic (GC)------------- Length: 700 m (10 mos)- 30,000,000
Cruisers, Heavy: 6 points
Assault (Bothan)---------- Length: 850 m (10 mos)- 57,000,000
Drothas-class (Bothan)---- Length: 900 m (10 mos)- 64,000,000
Triumph (UAP)------------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)--70,000,000*
Triumph Mk.II (UAP)------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)--76,000,000*
Command Assault (Bothan)-- Length: 1000 m (10 mos)- 88,000,000*
Modular Taskforce--------- Length: 1150 m (10 mos)- 90,000,000
Dauntless----------------- Length: 1500 m (12 mos)-126,000,000
Dreadnaught Heavy Cruiser- Length: 2011 m (14 mos)-235,750,800
Mon Cal Designs: usable only with majority Mon Calamari crews:
MC40 Light Cruiser (4 pt)--Length: 500 m (8 months)----- 21,220,000
MC80 Star Cruisers (12 pt) L: 1200-2400 m (12-16 mos)--- 129,760,000-195,200,000
MC90 Star Cruisers (8 pt)- Length: 1255 m (12 months)--- 131,800,000
MC-99 Destroyer (8 pt)- Length: 1300 m (10 months)--- 147,560,000
Cruiser, Home One (15 pt)- Lengths: 3200-3800 m (18 mos)- 178,800,000++
Star Destroyers, Light: 8 points
Dominator II (GC)--------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)-- 42,000,000
Victory I----------------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 50,000,000
Victory II---------------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 57,000,000
Victory IIIa (GC)--------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 60,000,000*
Victory IIIb (GC)--------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 52,000,000*
Templar (DSR)------------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 51,000,000*
Templar-II (DSR)---------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 51,500,000*
Templar-II/G (DSR)-------- Length: 900 m (11 mos)-- 55,000,000*
Defender (GC & UAP)------- Length: 1040 m (10 mos)- 141,000,000*
Republic------------------ Length: 1250 m (10 mos)-- 70,250,000
Star Destroyers: 12 points
Royal (SAS)--------------- Length: 1600 m (12 mos)- 150,000,000*
Fondor (UAP)-------------- Length: 1600 m (12 mos)- 150,000,000*
Alliance (UAP)------------ Length: 1600 m (12 mos)- 156,000,000*
Battle Cruisers:
Triumph ( 8 pts)(UAP)--- Length: 900 m (10 mos)- 105,020,000*
Mediator (12 pts)-------- Length: 1500 m (12 mos)- 160,000,000
Fondor (12 pts)(UAP)--- Length: 1800 m (13 mos)- 170,100,000*
Rebellion (15 pts)(UAP)--- Length: 2000 m (14 mos)- 175,250,000*
Battleships:
Bulwark (15 pts)--------- Length: 3501 m (16 months)- 320,500,000
Viscount (20 pts)--------- L: 8000-9000 m (20-22 mos)- 650,000,000+++
Republic-specific Freighters:
SoroSuub Century (UAP)------------ Length: 32 m (2 per month)--- 27,000
SoroSuub Jermajium (UAP)---------- Length: 35 m (2 per month)--- 28,000
Action VI "Wilde Karrde" mod------ Length: 125 m (4 months)----- 2,000,000+
Shuttle, KDY Lambda-class--------- Length: 20 meters (10 per month)-–- 240,000 each
Troop Transport, Triumph-class---- Length: 31 meters (8 per month)-–- 255,700 each
Troop Transport, SFS Sentinel----- Length: 35 meters (8 per month)-–- 250,000 each
Passenger Liner, Corona-A--------- Length: 350 Meters (6 months)------- 2,500,000
Space Stations:
Bavos I Defense Station (GC)------ Length: 1,300 meters (8 months)----- 250,000,000
Bavos II Defense Station (GC)----- Length: 2,500 meters (12 months)---- 275,000,000
Destroyers: 8 points
Ravager------------------- Length: 1000 m (10 mos)-- 85,000,000
Providence---------------- Length: 1088 m (10 mos)-- 75,000,000
Recusant------------------ Length: 1187 m (10 mos)-- 50,000,000
Cruisers: 8 points
Ventriss------------------ Length: 750 m (8 mos)-- 35,000,000
Star Destroyers, Light: 8 points
Cantwell------------------ Length: 750 m (8 mos)-- 25,000,000
Victory/CSA mod.---------- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 57,000,000
Lance VSD missile (Hapan)- Length: 900 m (10 mos)-- 65,000,000*
Star Destroyers: 12 points
Titan A (Hapan)----------- Length: 1600 m (12 mos)- 146,000,000*
Titan B (Hapan)----------- Length: 1600 m (16 mos)- 300,000,000*
Non-Aligned Capitol Warships:
Non-Aligned or Independent Shipyards would include shipyards that belonged to no particular governmental faction, either supplying any customers regardless of affiliation, such as SoroSuub or Loronar; or, restricting sales primarily to specific parties in local sectors. Examples of this would include the Tapani Starship Cooperative or MandalMotors and Mandal Hypernautics. It would also include starship designs that might have originally been intended for use by a particular faction, but became traded, stolen, or bargained so much over time as to become, essentially, public domain. Examples of this would include such designs as the Nebulon series of Cruisers, and the Damorian Carrack, or the Strike-class.
Independent Shipyards:
300 m
600 m
1000 m
2000 m +
3600 m ++
Gunships: 2 points
Corellian---------------- Length: 120 m (2 mos)--- 4,800,000
Corvettes: 2 points
Assassin-class ---------- Length: 150 m (2 mohs)---16,800,000
CR-90-------------------- Length: 150 m (2 mos)--- 1,500,000
Y-Head ------------------ Length: 165 m (2 mos)--- 1,910,000
Marauder----------------- Length: 195 m (4 mos)--- 2,398,000
Gruumba (Hutt)----------- Length: 205 m (4 mos)--- 2,100,000
Frigates: 3 points
Alderaan (obsolete)-------Length: 850 m (10 mos)- 21,000,000
Anvil---------------------Length: 270 m (6 mos)--- 9,500,000
Nebulon-A-----------------Length: 300 m (6 mos)-- 9,500,000
Nebulon B-----------------Length: 300 m (6 mos)-- 12,000,000
Nebulon B (med)-----------Length: 300 m (8 mos)-- 14,000,000
Nebulon BII---------------Length: 253 m (6 mos)-- 12,000,000
Nebulon D-----------------Length: 300 m (6 mos)-- 20,000,000
Nova (Hapan)--------------Length: 500 m (8 mos)-- 19,721,000
Dreadnoughts: 4 points
Dreadnought-------------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)--- 35,555,000
Dreadnought II ---------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)--- 38,000,000
Dreadnought, (med)------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)--- 33,960,000
Cruisers, Light: 4 points
Republic----------------- Length: 115 m (2 mos)---- 1,255,000
Bayonet ----------------- Length: 200 m (4 mos)--- 5,000,000
1000-class--------------- Length: 300 m (4 mos)--- 18,000,000
Carrack------------------ Length: 350 m (6 mos)--- 19,148,000
Carrack, DSR Mk.I-------- Length: 350 m (6 mos)--- 15,200,000
Spacka------------------- Length: 450 m (5 mos)--- 8,880,000
Strike------------------- Length: 450 m (8 mos)--- 20,110,000
Cruisers: 5 points
Bulk--------------------- Length: 600 m (8 mos)--- 25,000,000
Modular Taskforce-------- Length: 1150 m (10 mos)-- 90,000,000
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
That list needs updating, because the Viscount is now at 19km.
I call dibs on Kuat, failing that, Correlia or Fondor or Mon Calamari, and if really failing that, Korriban.
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STGOD: Byzantine Empire Your spirit, diseased as it is, refuses to allow you to give up, no matter what threats you face... and whatever wreckage you leave behind you.
Kreia
STGOD: Byzantine Empire Your spirit, diseased as it is, refuses to allow you to give up, no matter what threats you face... and whatever wreckage you leave behind you.
Kreia
Question: How much are fighter wings and space stations in points, exactly?
Conversion Table:
2000 Mockingbirds = 2 Kilomockingbirds
Basic Unit of Laryngitis = 1 Hoarsepower
453.6 Graham Crackers = 1 Pound Cake
1 Kilogram of Falling Figs - 1 Fig Newton
Time Between Slipping on a Banana Peel and Smacking the Pavement = 1 Bananosecond
Half of a Large Intestine = 1 Semicolon
Do you hold parlimentary debates in these ships or something?
And I would again stress that we hold off on calling for worlds here. Everybody wants the sexy planets like Coruscant, Corellia, Kuat, etc. But let's think about it: in some alternate universe where the Empire and New Republic pretty much wiped each other out, what makes you think these major planets are worth much any more? I'd say we need to figure out the premise of this game before we start dividing up worlds.
"How can I wait unknowing?
This is the price of war,
We rise with noble intentions,
And we risk all that is pure..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, Forever (Rome: Total War)
"On and on, through the years,
The war continues on..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, We Are All One (Medieval 2: Total War)
"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." - Ambrose Redmoon
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight
I am always under the impression that "capital" means "profit money for investment", whereas "capitol" means "operates in function of the government".
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Coyote wrote:I am always under the impression that "capital" means "profit money for investment", whereas "capitol" means "operates in function of the government".
It would seem the English language disagrees with you there.
"How can I wait unknowing?
This is the price of war,
We rise with noble intentions,
And we risk all that is pure..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, Forever (Rome: Total War)
"On and on, through the years,
The war continues on..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, We Are All One (Medieval 2: Total War)
"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." - Ambrose Redmoon
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight
Fighter Garrisons: 1/Planet and 2/Homeworld
5 TIE Interceptor Wings: 4 points - 20 points
5 TIE Bomber Wings: 4 points - 20 points
SUBTOTAL: 40 Points
TOTAL: 1800 Points
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Conversion Table:
2000 Mockingbirds = 2 Kilomockingbirds
Basic Unit of Laryngitis = 1 Hoarsepower
453.6 Graham Crackers = 1 Pound Cake
1 Kilogram of Falling Figs - 1 Fig Newton
Time Between Slipping on a Banana Peel and Smacking the Pavement = 1 Bananosecond
Half of a Large Intestine = 1 Semicolon
Um, you realize those ISD Vs and ISD IIBs are the "faction specific" ones, right? We don't even know what they do unless somebody goes digging through SB. And which planets are your "homeworld" and the three "major worlds" apparently close by? And so on.
IOW, I think declaring OOBs is a bit premature at this stage.
"How can I wait unknowing?
This is the price of war,
We rise with noble intentions,
And we risk all that is pure..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, Forever (Rome: Total War)
"On and on, through the years,
The war continues on..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, We Are All One (Medieval 2: Total War)
"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." - Ambrose Redmoon
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight
Yeah, remember this was for the SB.com version. Some of those ships are modified versions approved in our game.
If you see initials after the ship, that means it belongs to that faction:
SAS =Sovereign Alliance of Systems (my faction, capitol: Naboo)
SWE =Shadow Walker Empire (An Ancient)
UAP =United Alliance of Planets (Keshy)
GC =Galactic Commonwealth (DPDarkPrimus)
MF =Moddell Federation (Corp)
FrA =Frontier Alliance (Lightning Count)
There's a few others I can't think of off the top of my head. There's also a couple custom Bothan fighter designs, the -190 and the -109 (nod to WW2 German Luftwaffe, obviously) which are Bothan-produced versions of the Belbullab-22 fighter, and a heavier, stretched version for a bomber. Some of those designs are custom-made for specific missions; I don't recall the ISD-V's specs but I remember "shopping" for ship ideas at one point and turning it down for my faction.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
I didn't realize that those were the faction-specific ships, no. But this is more of a "test" OOB; finding out if I've understood the rules correctly, things like that.
Plus, I like making OOBs. Don't know why.
Conversion Table:
2000 Mockingbirds = 2 Kilomockingbirds
Basic Unit of Laryngitis = 1 Hoarsepower
453.6 Graham Crackers = 1 Pound Cake
1 Kilogram of Falling Figs - 1 Fig Newton
Time Between Slipping on a Banana Peel and Smacking the Pavement = 1 Bananosecond
Half of a Large Intestine = 1 Semicolon
Am I the only one who thinks this is definitely getting a little complex and rule heavy? Unfortunately I have an essay due tomorrow, so it'll about 24 hours minimum before I can elaborate in any detail, though.
I'd like prices in points for fighter wings and space stations, but other than that it seems fairly straightforward. In any case, it'll probably end up like SDN's World, where the rules ar emostly waved in favor of a general "If it makes sense, do it" mindset.
Conversion Table:
2000 Mockingbirds = 2 Kilomockingbirds
Basic Unit of Laryngitis = 1 Hoarsepower
453.6 Graham Crackers = 1 Pound Cake
1 Kilogram of Falling Figs - 1 Fig Newton
Time Between Slipping on a Banana Peel and Smacking the Pavement = 1 Bananosecond
Half of a Large Intestine = 1 Semicolon
Hey Coyote, how much are fighter wings and space stations in points? It seems to only be written in credits or something.
Conversion Table:
2000 Mockingbirds = 2 Kilomockingbirds
Basic Unit of Laryngitis = 1 Hoarsepower
453.6 Graham Crackers = 1 Pound Cake
1 Kilogram of Falling Figs - 1 Fig Newton
Time Between Slipping on a Banana Peel and Smacking the Pavement = 1 Bananosecond
Half of a Large Intestine = 1 Semicolon
We didn't worry about fighter wings as long as people didn't try to spam out ungodly numbers, so there's no point system for fighter wings.
I thought that space stations were given point values? I thought I was pretty thorough.. they should cost slightly less than comperably-sized starships, since they don't need to consider massive engines and hyperdrives in their construction.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
You're right about the space stations, actually...I read the ship list at about 3:00 in the morning; it must have slipped past me.
Thanks for the info!
Conversion Table:
2000 Mockingbirds = 2 Kilomockingbirds
Basic Unit of Laryngitis = 1 Hoarsepower
453.6 Graham Crackers = 1 Pound Cake
1 Kilogram of Falling Figs - 1 Fig Newton
Time Between Slipping on a Banana Peel and Smacking the Pavement = 1 Bananosecond
Half of a Large Intestine = 1 Semicolon
Gah, I wish I had time to put aside an hour or so to go over the rules, work out my concerns, and reply to a number of posts. I'll hopefully have time tonight or tomorrow. However, I should mention that I at least will probably not be able to get an OOB up (whenever we reach that stage) before Monday at the earliest.
I don't have time to go through all the rules in detail and critique them again, and frankly, they sound mostly fine as they are. Just to get things moving, and since its fairly obvious what the poll result is going to be, I propose that we accept Coyote's rules, with the following minor changes:
1) The "police ship" catagory is removed for the reasons I suggested,
2) Players can choose to build less than ten shipyards, to start with,
3) We come up with a new backstory (this isn't really nessissary, but I figured we could come up with something better which would also keep ours from being a carbon copy of the Spacebattles one. But if everyone's fine with it as it is, no big deal either),
4) We leave times in game a little vague, because if say, a week in real life equals a month in game, we'll have odd situations where a ship takes weeks to cross the galaxy in hyperspace, right?, and
5)We lift the requirement on all a faction's worlds being near eachother, unless someone cares to explain why its relevant with hyperspace speeds.
If this is ok with everyone, I can put up an OOB thread on the weekend. Oh, and I reserve the following systems: Tatooine, Dantooine, Kessel, and Geonosis.
All of those make sense, though it does seem reasonable to start with one's worlds near each other, if only for ease of mapmaking.
Regarding No. 4 - We should avoid a hard-and-fast time scale for specific events; though one must certainly be used for ship build times, design research times, etc.
Conversion Table:
2000 Mockingbirds = 2 Kilomockingbirds
Basic Unit of Laryngitis = 1 Hoarsepower
453.6 Graham Crackers = 1 Pound Cake
1 Kilogram of Falling Figs - 1 Fig Newton
Time Between Slipping on a Banana Peel and Smacking the Pavement = 1 Bananosecond
Half of a Large Intestine = 1 Semicolon
Master_Baerne wrote:All of those make sense, though it does seem reasonable to start with one's worlds near each other, if only for ease of mapmaking.
Do we even need to make a map? Unless someone picks a very obscure world, or makes a new one (are we allowing that), then can't we just use any of the many Star Wars maps one can find by searching Google Images?
However, I can live with this requirement if its nessissary for reasons of mapmaking conviniance. It probably won't affect me with the worlds I've chosen, since going from memory they're all in the same area.
Regarding No. 4 - We should avoid a hard-and-fast time scale for specific events; though one must certainly be used for ship build times, design research times, etc.
Fine by me.
Oh, one other thing: are we allowing custom ships or worlds? I'm thinking maybe they'd have to be approved by a game mod. Or if that's too much trouble, we can leave it as it is. Its just that one of the most fun things about STGOD's is designing your own military hardware, and if people can do it in other ones, why not this one?
