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Or as I like to call it How the Pentagon made things much worse that they could have been

Litle background on this, man release a report about soldiers in bible study being lead by an Army Chaplin (Evangelical apparently) making some kinda crazy ass statements including
The special forces guys - they hunt men basically. We do the same things as Christians, we hunt people for Jesus. We do, we hunt them down,” he says."
From which the title of this thread comes.

So the footage is from a documentary filmmaker and Al-Jazeera gets it and produces a report about it.
Al Jazeera(English) initial report
Maybe it will pass into the ether right?
Not when the Pentagon gets into play and accuses Al Jazeera of misrepresenting everything and taking it all out of context.

So what happens?
Well of course you can guess where this is going
The entire video gets released, and it's if anything even worse
7 minutes of bad


And to head off Dom, here's the Huffpo-take, which also includes the Documentation statement which I've thrown in
Huffpo wrote:A day after the Pentagon accused Al Jazeera of being 'irresponsible and inappropriate' for broadcasting the 'hunt for Jesus' in Afghanistan footage, the network releases unedited tapes.

Hours after Al Jazeera first broadcast a video showing US soldiers in Afghanistan being instructed by the military's top chaplain in the country to "hunt people for Jesus" as they spread Christianity to the overwhelmingly Muslim population, the Pentagon shot back. It charged that Al Jazeera had "grossly misrepresent[ed] the truth." Col. Greg Julian, told Al Jazeera: "Most of this is taken out of context ... this is irresponsible and inappropriate journalism."

Now, Al Jazeera and the man who filmed the controversial material are striking back. The network has just released unedited and unaltered footage (see below) of US soldiers in 'bible study' in Afghanistan. Jazeera describes it as "Extended footage shot by Brian Hughes, a US documentary maker and former member of the US military who spent several days in Bagram near Kabul."

In Al Jazeera's original report, Hughes addressed the fact that soldiers had imported bibles translated into Pashto and Dari. "[US soldiers] weren't talking about learning how to speak Dari or Pashto, by reading the Bible and using that as the tool for language lessons," Hughes told Al Jazeera. "The only reason they would have these documents there was to distribute them to the Afghan people. And I knew it was wrong, and I knew that filming it ... documenting it would be important."

Regarding allegations that the sermon of the military's top chaplain in Afghanistan, Lieutenant-Colonel Gary Hensley, where he instructs soldiers to "hunt people for Jesus" was taken out of context, Hughes said in a statment, "Any contention by the military that his words are purposefully taken out of context to alter the tone or meaning of his sermon is absolutely false."

Hughes is completely standing by the accuracy of Al Jazeera's report. Here is Hughes's statement:
Hughes Statement wrote: On Sunday, May 3, the Al Jazeera English network and I made an agreement to produce a broadcast segment from a rough cut of my documentary film. This opportunity came after a May 2009 Harper's magazine cover story called "Jesus Killed Mohammed." While he researched and prepared that article, I allowed the author Jeff Sharlet to view the work-in-progress documentary. Sharlet's article brought the film to Al Jazeera English's attention.

My documentary, titled The Word and the Warriors, is inspired by a personal experience I had while serving as a combat flight crew member during the first Gulf War. During a very difficult and emotional time at war, an Army chaplain provided me comfort and counsel. I will never forget the important advice or the man who - without questioning my own faith - helped me at a time of need.

For two-and-a-half years, I have been researching and producing this film. I have traveled the world, interviewing both military servicemembers and civilians about the important role of these religious leaders/military officers.

During April/May 2008, I went to Afghanistan. With the assistance and full cooperation of the U.S. Army, I was allowed to film at Bagram Air Field. During that time, I was always wearing press credentials, and I was always accompanied by a media liaison while filming. The media liaison staff knew everything I filmed and - as I was told by them - they filed reports every evening about what I had filmed. It was my primary media liaison, an Army NCO, who - on my first day - invited me to meet LTC Gary Hensley. Hensley, the ranking chaplain in Afghanistan talked to me off camera expressing a concern he had about allowing me to film his chaplains. At the conclusion of the discussion, he agreed that I would be allowed to embed with his chaplains and invited me to film several hours of religious services.

Those hours at the Enduring Faith Chapel included his own sermon at a service called Chapel Next. With the exception of a few minutes I could not film because I was reloading my camera or moving to position for another shot, I videotaped Hensley's entire sermon.

Any contention by the military that his words are purposefully taken out of context to alter the tone or meaning of his sermon is absolutely false...

In recent press statements, the military also contends that - in the footage depicting the Afghan-language (Dari and Pashto) bibles - a cut was made before "it would have shown that the chaplain instructed that the Bibles not be distributed." This is a false statement. The chaplain - as seen in the footage before the cut - instructs the group to be careful and reiterates the definition of General Order #1. After this cut he begins to organize the group for the evening's bible study lessons.

Finally, and in my opinion most important, is the fact that EVERY FRAME of the rough cut from Bagram was provided to the U.S. Army Public Affairs Office in advance of this release. On Thursday, April 30 at approximately 1 pm EST, the Army took possession of a DVD with this footage by accepting a FedEx from me. Since Al Jazeera English first aired the piece Sunday, May 3 at 10pm EST, the Army had every frame of this rough cut for more than 80 hours.
The only question is, will this get play in the American media, a Google News search shows it's making the International rounds in Reuters and the foreign news services and there are plenty of bit stories in American media but so far they contain nothing but the Pentagon denial not the original story itself. This could burn out, or go big. Don't know which yet.

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"We hunt them down" - well, ain't that true. The guy is probably just a run of the mill fundie who really doesn't see any problem with such a statement regarding his beliefs.
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Mr Bean wrote:Litle background on this, man release a report about soldiers in bible study being lead by an Army Chaplin
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To be honest, the whole thing is surreal enough that it might have been one of his movies.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there an Afghan who converted to Christianity that had to flee the country because they were going to execute him? What exactly does this Padre intend to accomplish here besides get a bunch of people killed?
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They may be killed, but at least they'll go to heaven now!

Remember, it's the immortal soul that matters most! Who cares if you make the man and his family suffer and die? It's just his mortal shell!
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PeZook wrote:They may be killed, but at least they'll go to heaven now!

Remember, it's the immortal soul that matters most! Who cares if you make the man and his family suffer and die? It's just his mortal shell!
See, that’s just something that I can't wrap my head around.
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It's quite logical. It also relates to other things than religion: would you agree that you would sacrifice a hundred men to save ten thousand?

It's just a matter of what you value more than a human life, and if you make tiny teeny assumption that a human's soul is worth more than his life it's pretty easy to conclude that death, torture, maiming, opression etc. are nothing evil if the end result is the saving of his soul.

Why do you think various sadistic fucks throughout the ages always tried to get heretics to repent right before killing them?
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Cpl Kendall wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there an Afghan who converted to Christianity that had to flee the country because they were going to execute him? What exactly does this Padre intend to accomplish here besides get a bunch of people killed?
Yep. Italy had to take him in.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/28/inter ... fghan.html
The man, Abdul Rahman, who had been accused of apostasy for abandoning Islam, had been in custody for weeks but had not been formally charged.

The justice minister, Sarwar Danish, said Mr. Rahman had been released to his family on Monday night. Mr. Danish said he did not know where Mr. Rahman was.

During Mr. Rahman's detention, prosecutors tried to build a case against him but ran up against the one-month limit that a person can be held without being charged under Afghan law.
I find it ironic that they were charging him with apostacy but they ran out of time to hold him so they released him. We brought rule of law to Afghanistan! Now, when they stone people they need a lawyer present.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:
PeZook wrote:They may be killed, but at least they'll go to heaven now!

Remember, it's the immortal soul that matters most! Who cares if you make the man and his family suffer and die? It's just his mortal shell!
See, that’s just something that I can't wrap my head around.
These people actually have a more pure faith than most Christians, and they follow its beliefs to their logical conclusion. Most Christians are cafeteria Christians; they mix in their personal attitudes and feelings to their beliefs. But if someone really does live on pure faith, then they will suppress any personal feelings that do not conform to their beliefs.

Christianity's doctrines do logically lead to the belief that a dead Christian is better off than a living Muslim. There is pretty much no way to escape that conclusion if you sincerely believe in the teachings of Christianity.
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