Star Wars Vs Star Trek Zulu!!!! The Flip Side

[Isolder74]

Star Wars Vs Star Trek Zulu!!!! The Flip Side

For all those who don't remember the Original Zulu Thread here is link so that you can veiw it of refresh your memory http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... light=zulu I got the Idea from Sovereign's Dominion Vs Clones thread so maybe he is good for something.

Historical Situation:
A small group is hold up in a small outpost called Rook's Drift thy are about to be attacked by 4,000 Zulus. The Zulus are armed with Short Spears and leather shields. They also have captured in a previus engagement 1,000 of the defender's best Rifles. The defenders are hold up in a small hospital and supply depot. They only light small arms available to them but have plenty of ammunition.

defenders forces available
8 Officers
97 Fit for duty
36(25 walking wounded) Sick and wounded

The substitution this time is we replace the Zulus with 4,000 of the forces listed below. They are only allowed to use their best Melee Weapons unless they have primitive Ranged Weapons as part of their standard equiptment(like Bows and Arrows). They will use their standard tactics in the attack.


Which force would fair the best.

Ewoks


Wookies

PS. Bowcasters are not primitive weapons

Klingon Warriors


The JymHadar


Remember to leave some comentary to explain why you voted in favor of a specific team.

[Isolder74]

I vote for the Ewoks over Wookies only cause the Ewoks have catapults as part of their standard equiptment. And since the Catapults are primitive weapons they give the Ewoks a mafor advantage against the British trying to defend the outpost.

[Sea Skimmer]

I vote for the Ewoks over Wookies only cause the Ewoks have catapults as part of their standard equiptment. And since the Catapults are primitive weapons they give the Ewoks a mafor advantage against the British trying to defend the outpost.

The British aren't armed with Muskets you know. Unless the Ewoks catapult could reach out past 5meters it would do little more then provide an easy target as they tired to set it up. And unlike the other sides they can't use the captured rifles.


Wookies would do the best. They'd be smart enough to act by fire and slowly close in while wearing down the defenders with their advantage in weight of fire. Unlike the Zulu's there not going to fire from massivily outside the weapons effective range on a hillside while aiming up in many cases.

The Klingons or Jem'Hadar would just mindlessly charge in one giant mass. While that might bring victory, it would be at a very heavy cost.

[Isolder74]

I vote for the Ewoks over Wookies only cause the Ewoks have catapults as part of their standard equiptment. And since the Catapults are primitive weapons they give the Ewoks a mafor advantage against the British trying to defend the outpost.

The British aren't armed with Muskets you know. Unless the Ewoks catapult could reach out past 5meters it would do little more then provide an easy target as they tired to set it up. And unlike the other sides they can't use the captured rifles.


Wookies would do the best. They'd be smart enough to act by fire and slowly close in while wearing down the defenders with their advantage in weight of fire. Unlike the Zulu's there not going to fire from massivily outside the weapons effective range on a hillside while aiming up in many cases.

The Klingons or Jem'Hadar would just mindlessly charge in one giant mass. While that might bring victory, it would be at a very heavy cost.

We see in RofTJ that the catapults have plenty of range to be placed on the hills surrounding the outpost and they could shoot the guns from the hip holding them like they do their spears.

[Sea Skimmer]

I vote for the Ewoks over Wookies only cause the Ewoks have catapults as part of their standard equiptment. And since the Catapults are primitive weapons they give the Ewoks a mafor advantage against the British trying to defend the outpost.

The British aren't armed with Muskets you know. Unless the Ewoks catapult could reach out past 5meters it would do little more then provide an easy target as they tired to set it up. And unlike the other sides they can't use the captured rifles.


Wookies would do the best. They'd be smart enough to act by fire and slowly close in while wearing down the defenders with their advantage in weight of fire. Unlike the Zulu's there not going to fire from massivily outside the weapons effective range on a hillside while aiming up in many cases.

The Klingons or Jem'Hadar would just mindlessly charge in one giant mass. While that might bring victory, it would be at a very heavy cost.

We see in RofTJ that the catapults have plenty of range to be placed on the hills surrounding the outpost and they could shoot the guns from the hip holding them like they do their spears.

Hahahahaha. Ever picked up one? Ewoks might be strong enough to lift one, but they can't brace for the recoil or come close to balancing the weapon. At best they'd be able to consistently knock them selves over while sending bullets nowhere near the targets, most likely into the ground close by.

As for catapult range. We saw very primative weapons throw rocks a dozen meters, and from the look of the arc they wouldn't have gone much further. Show some proof that they can fling rocks a ten times further.

[Isolder74]

The British aren't armed with Muskets you know. Unless the Ewoks catapult could reach out past 5meters it would do little more then provide an easy target as they tired to set it up. And unlike the other sides they can't use the captured rifles.


Wookies would do the best. They'd be smart enough to act by fire and slowly close in while wearing down the defenders with their advantage in weight of fire. Unlike the Zulu's there not going to fire from massivily outside the weapons effective range on a hillside while aiming up in many cases.

The Klingons or Jem'Hadar would just mindlessly charge in one giant mass. While that might bring victory, it would be at a very heavy cost.

We see in RofTJ that the catapults have plenty of range to be placed on the hills surrounding the outpost and they could shoot the guns from the hip holding them like they do their spears.

Hahahahaha. Ever picked up one? Ewoks might be strong enough to lift one, but they can't brace for the recoil or come close to balancing the weapon. At best they'd be able to consistently knock them selves over while sending bullets nowhere near the targets, most likely into the ground close by.

As for catapult range. We saw very primative weapons throw rocks a dozen meters, and from the look of the arc they wouldn't have gone much further. Show some proof that they can fling rocks a ten times further.

A dozen meters is enough to be out of the British effective range of 100 yards. they could rool a bunch of logs down on the outpost.

[Sea Skimmer]

We see in RofTJ that the catapults have plenty of range to be placed on the hills surrounding the outpost and they could shoot the guns from the hip holding them like they do their spears.

Hahahahaha. Ever picked up one? Ewoks might be strong enough to lift one, but they can't brace for the recoil or come close to balancing the weapon. At best they'd be able to consistently knock them selves over while sending bullets nowhere near the targets, most likely into the ground close by.

As for catapult range. We saw very primative weapons throw rocks a dozen meters, and from the look of the arc they wouldn't have gone much further. Show some proof that they can fling rocks a ten times further.

A dozen meters is enough to be out of the British effective range of 100 yards. they could rool a bunch of logs down on the outpost.

They will get logs of worth while size where in Natal? Even if they could, you'd see them coming from so far away everyone would be out of the way well in advance, assuming they can even reach out far enough from the hills.

100 yards is the effective range for an aimed shot to hit a man, an area target like a bunch of ewoks trying to set up a catapult in the open could be hit from much much further away. The bullets are heavy enough they'd rapidly chew through the catapults themselves, in addition to killing the operators.

Then you have the problume once again of building and transporting them in the heat and sparse conditions of Natal and then assembling them under fire.

[Isolder74]

Hahahahaha. Ever picked up one? Ewoks might be strong enough to lift one, but they can't brace for the recoil or come close to balancing the weapon. At best they'd be able to consistently knock them selves over while sending bullets nowhere near the targets, most likely into the ground close by.

As for catapult range. We saw very primative weapons throw rocks a dozen meters, and from the look of the arc they wouldn't have gone much further. Show some proof that they can fling rocks a ten times further.

A dozen meters is enough to be out of the British effective range of 100 yards. they could rool a bunch of logs down on the outpost.

They will get logs of worth while size where in Natal? Even if they could, you'd see them coming from so far away everyone would be out of the way well in advance, assuming they can even reach out far enough from the hills.

100 yards is the effective range for an aimed shot to hit a man, an area target like a bunch of ewoks trying to set up a catapult in the open could be hit from much much further away. The bullets are heavy enough they'd rapidly chew through the catapults themselves, in addition to killing the operators.

Then you have the problume once again of building and transporting them in the heat and sparse conditions of Natal and then assembling them under fire.

you've got a point there. Ewoks do have limited resources for their technology here. wookies have a better chance of victory.

[Isolder74]

Who voted Jymhadar! you had better explain your reasoning.

[Typhonis 1]

Wookies take it .They are smart enough to use shoot and scoot tactics,thy have decent ranged weapons...and Heaven help the British when they get within arms reach *Imagines a Tommy being beaten by his own ripped off arm*

[Slartibartfast]

Klingons will be all like "arrr! I wanna be a mighty pirate!" and such, and... I dunno.

[Isolder74]

Klingons will be all like "arrr! I wanna be a mighty pirate!" and such, and... I dunno.

What does Guybrush Threepwood have to do with this?

[Cpt_Frank]

Btw are we talking about Martini-Henry single shot rifles or Lee-Metford repeating rifles?

[Isolder74]

Btw are we talking about Martini-Henry single shot rifles or Lee-Metford repeating rifles?

'Boxer-Henry 0.45 Cal miracle"

the British did not purchase Winchester repeating rifles until after the Zulu war. Until then they considered repeating rifles a waste of money. They also refused to buy the unchiverous gatling gun either until after the Zulu war

[Cpt_Frank]

Btw are we talking about Martini-Henry single shot rifles or Lee-Metford repeating rifles?

'Boxer-Henry 0.45 Cal miracle"

the British did not purchase Winchester repeating rifles until after the Zulu war. Until then they considered repeating rifles a waste of money. They also refused to buy the unchiverous gatling gun either until after the Zulu war

But the Lee-Metford MKI was first adopted in 1877 according to my source.
Though the Henry single shot breech loaders remained in front line service for some time.

[Isolder74]

Btw are we talking about Martini-Henry single shot rifles or Lee-Metford repeating rifles?

'Boxer-Henry 0.45 Cal miracle"

the British did not purchase Winchester repeating rifles until after the Zulu war. Until then they considered repeating rifles a waste of money. They also refused to buy the unchiverous gatling gun either until after the Zulu war

But the Lee-Metford MKI was first adopted in 1877 according to my source.
Though the Henry single shot breech loaders remained in front line service for some time.

The Zulu war was 1866

[Cpt_Frank]

'Boxer-Henry 0.45 Cal miracle"

the British did not purchase Winchester repeating rifles until after the Zulu war. Until then they considered repeating rifles a waste of money. They also refused to buy the unchiverous gatling gun either until after the Zulu war

But the Lee-Metford MKI was first adopted in 1877 according to my source.
Though the Henry single shot breech loaders remained in front line service for some time.

The Zulu war was 1866

But they fought the Zulu later, in 1879 at Isadhlwana (or so).

Well anyways so I see now we're talking about 1866 then.

[Isolder74]

But the Lee-Metford MKI was first adopted in 1877 according to my source.
Though the Henry single shot breech loaders remained in front line service for some time.

The Zulu war was 1866

But they fought the Zulu later, in 1879 at Isadhlwana (or so).

Well anyways so I see now we're talking about 1866 then.

yes, thats the problem there was more than one Zulu war. But Rouke''s Drift was part of the first Zulu War. Those reapeating rifles were placed in higher priority because they saw that they would not have lost their 1,000 men in the first place if they had even one Gatling gun and repeating rifles. If they didn't charge the incomming Zulus would have helped too

[Cpt_Frank]

yes, thats the problem there was more than one Zulu war. But Rouke''s Drift was part of the first Zulu War. Those reapeating rifles were placed in higher priority because they saw that they would not have lost their 1,000 men in the first place if they had even one Gatling gun and repeating rifles. If they didn't charge the incomming Zulus would have helped too

Well I'd have to say that probably the wookies would fare best.
Though they probably wouldn't win either.

[Isolder74]

yes, thats the problem there was more than one Zulu war. But Rouke''s Drift was part of the first Zulu War. Those reapeating rifles were placed in higher priority because they saw that they would not have lost their 1,000 men in the first place if they had even one Gatling gun and repeating rifles. If they didn't charge the incomming Zulus would have helped too

Well I'd have to say that probably the wookies would fare best.
Though they probably wouldn't win either.

Its going to take more than one hit to drop a Wookie with those Boxer-Henrys. and Wookies will have much better tactics than the Zulus did. The Wookies might even be able to take the place. One thing is sure though Wookies wouldn't kill everyone.

[Peregrin Toker]

I vote for the Wookiees, since they possibly are the strongest in close combat. Once they'll get into charge range, (sorry for using too many Warhammer terms) the British will not have a chance.

[Lord Pounder]

Whats the range on a Bowcaster? If they are anything like the blaster i forsee the brits having their arms and asses handed to them. The JemHadar might also have a chance. IF they can cloak then shoot the fuck outta the place.

[Cpt_Frank]

Whats the range on a Bowcaster? If they are anything like the blaster i forsee the brits having their arms and asses handed to them. The JemHadar might also have a chance. IF they can cloak then shoot the fuck outta the place.

No bowcasters for the wookies.
And Jem'Hadar are probably too stupid to handle a Martini properly.

[Lord Pounder]

Whee i mentioned the bowcasters i was refering to wookies. If there is a good range the Wookies can pick of the Brits from a distance.

As far as the Jem'Hadar go if they can get their fix and get the cloak working then it'd be an even larger rout.

[Peregrin Toker]

Whats the range on a Bowcaster? If they are anything like the blaster i forsee the brits having their arms and asses handed to them. The JemHadar might also have a chance. IF they can cloak then shoot the fuck outta the place.

Just a question: Do the weapons also get cloaked while the Jem'hadar cloak?