Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio? (Guild Wars)

[Orc]

Ales are ~200
All minis go for like 60-100k

Actually, 1 pt. alcohol like Shamrock Ales go for 100g these days. You may be able to get higher, but you'll be selling for a long time.

The price on minis depends entirely on which mini. Asura is quite expensive these days, I believe, whereas a Fungal Wallow is worth 5k at best.

[Isil`Zha]

What's also funny is that Silver used to be worth 600 - 1.2k gold - but dropped quickly when Nightfall came out with White Dyes (which were selling at the same rate as blacks at around 9k.)

I have no idea what the going rate for dyes is at the moment, though...

[bilateralrope]

If you want to sell dyes, just use the dye trader. You might be able to get a few hundred more gold if you sell a black to another player (maybe even 1k), but finding the player willing to buy it could take a while. The trader only takes a few seconds per dye.

The same goes for everything else that one of the trader NPCs handles. You could get a price in between the traders buy and sell prices, but it probably isn't worth your time to find the player to trade with.

The only times I would advise you to not use the trader are:

- When the trader is out of stock of that item. Problem is, without the traders to let everyone know the going rate, players selling the item inflate their price (or at least they did when I was playing). Players will restock the trader eventually.
- When your selling a lot of one item and the trader offers you the merchant price. In which case you should sell to the merchant because the merchant will take a stack at a time, while the trader takes a few second for each item in the stack.

[Isil`Zha]

Jesus Christ, ever since the zaishen quest for getting wins in Aspen, the Luxon side (already being at a huge disadvantage) has been full of n00bs and the most horridly useless retards you can fucking find. Have not had a single winning team since the last big update.

And that 5 minutes really needs to get added back for Luxon, it's extremely imbalanced now. The Luxon side needs a team of good players (not happening lately) while the Kurzick can easily win with a half team of really shitty healers - who can easily hold stuff together long enough to beat the extremely reduced clock.

[Broomstick]

Explain something to me, please.

I keep hearing about how hard it is to accumulate money, and "15k armor" which I presume is 15,000 gold, which would seem to imply that one should be largely broke until high level and playing for awhile.

Yet I have a level 11 character with several platinum already, and there doesn't seem to be that much I'm inclined to spend money on.

Am I missing something here? Good at making money? Something else?

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

Skimming this thread got me mildly interested in playing again... but I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I played a bunch back before it was released and then for awhile afterward. I got a character to 20 but didn't do much after that, and spent most of my time with pre-levelled 20s trying out the various stuff I'd unlocked with my levelling character.

So, as someone who only has vanilla and knows nothing of these expansions, what am I missing? Would I still be competitive? Is my W/Mo still a badass?

[Chardok]

W/Mo still a badass?

Probably not. Unless you have Aegis or Protective spirit. then you will be a badass lite. If you want REAL pawnidge, you play a A/D.


Once you know what those mean - you will be ready.

[Isil`Zha]

Explain something to me, please.

I keep hearing about how hard it is to accumulate money, and "15k armor" which I presume is 15,000 gold, which would seem to imply that one should be largely broke until high level and playing for awhile.

That's 15k per piece, and does not include the cost (by a ton of high-level farming, or buying it from people) of the materials you need to go with it.

Yet I have a level 11 character with several platinum already, and there doesn't seem to be that much I'm inclined to spend money on.

Am I missing something here? Good at making money? Something else?

Yeah, I had several plat at that stage... it'll go fast. I could spend it on skills very fast... or runes, or the next higher set of armor...

Probably not. Unless you have Aegis or Protective spirit. then you will be a badass lite. If you want REAL pawnidge, you play a A/D.

Once you know what those mean - you will be ready.

Meh, my Dervish has mopped the floor with every single A/D he's come up against.

[Chardok]

Clearly you've never met one with Assassin's promise equipped

[bilateralrope]

Explain something to me, please.

I keep hearing about how hard it is to accumulate money, and "15k armor" which I presume is 15,000 gold, which would seem to imply that one should be largely broke until high level and playing for awhile.

Yet I have a level 11 character with several platinum already, and there doesn't seem to be that much I'm inclined to spend money on.

Am I missing something here? Good at making money? Something else?

While the armor is 15k a piece, there are some tips for accumulating gold faster that I've seen a lot of people ignore:
- Don't use keys. Most of the loot from locked chests isn't worth selling to another player, and the average merchant value of the loot is less than the value of the key. Most of the players I see ignoring this are going for the chest opening title, so this isn't too bad.
- If something drops that can be sold to the merchant, pick it up. It might not be worth much, but selling lots of crap to the merchant does add up.
- Whenever you reach a town, sell off all the crap you picked up (or chuck it in storage). If you don't, you won't have room for the crap you get on your next run (especially later on).
- Don't pay other players to skip parts of the game. Not only do you lose out on the gold you paid them, you also lose out on the income from the areas you skipped.

15k (or any of the more expensive armors) might still take you a while to earn. But as the stats are identical to armor which only costs 1000 gold per piece, you don't need to get it.

[Thunderfire]

So, as someone who only has vanilla and knows nothing of these expansions, what am I missing? Would I still be competitive? Is my W/Mo still a badass?

You will be missing alot of mission/quest content, Heroes and many skills. Your W/Mo might be usefull depending on your skills and items.

[Lagmonster]

Explain something to me, please.

I keep hearing about how hard it is to accumulate money, and "15k armor" which I presume is 15,000 gold, which would seem to imply that one should be largely broke until high level and playing for awhile.

Yet I have a level 11 character with several platinum already, and there doesn't seem to be that much I'm inclined to spend money on.

Am I missing something here? Good at making money? Something else?

As has been pointed out, 15k armour is a 'per piece' cost. Adding in the cost of rare and common materials, the overall cost of 15k armour is enormous.

Guild Wars is all about the 'level playing field'. Players advance to max level quickly, weapon/item strengths and abilities are capped low, meaning that it is skills and their use and synergies that determines a player's viability, not his possessions. The 'best items' are only marginally better than the worst.

So what distinguishes 'elite' players are the skins and designs of the weapons and armour rather than their stats. Ergo, attractive-looking or rare armours, weapons and dyes fetch high prices and as I said earlier, absolutely everything else attains a player-market value of zero.

[Isil`Zha]

Clearly you've never met one with Assassin's promise equipped

Yes, yes I have actually.

Wounding strike + Heart of Fury + Mystic Sweep + Erimites Sweep = DEATH

Especially hilarious when I take my Ebon Dust Aura build.

[Lagmonster]

Clearly you've never met one with Assassin's promise equipped

Yes, yes I have actually.
Wounding strike + Heart of Fury + Mystic Sweep + Erimites Sweep = DEATH
Especially hilarious when I take my Ebon Dust Aura build.

Every build has a counter, period. And every credible player is a threat when played well. I can't think of a single primary class that hasn't had a highly lethal PVP build for it at one time or another. Okay, except Paragons.

[Thunderfire]

Clearly you've never met one with Assassin's promise equipped

Yes, yes I have actually.

Wounding strike + Heart of Fury + Mystic Sweep + Erimites Sweep = DEATH

Especially hilarious when I take my Ebon Dust Aura build.

Wounding Strike and Ebon Dust Aura are both Elite Skills. Assassins Promise is useless for a A/D.
Most Scythe attacks cost only 5 energy and have a low recharge time. A shadowstep elite or
scythe elite is much more usefull for a A/D.

[Isil`Zha]

Clearly you've never met one with Assassin's promise equipped

Yes, yes I have actually.
Wounding strike + Heart of Fury + Mystic Sweep + Erimites Sweep = DEATH
Especially hilarious when I take my Ebon Dust Aura build.

Every build has a counter, period. And every credible player is a threat when played well. I can't think of a single primary class that hasn't had a highly lethal PVP build for it at one time or another. Okay, except Paragons.

Oh of course, every build does have a counter. A/Ds are ridiculously wanked up though - the idea is sound, the build is fine, but it's not a "OMG pWn everything" build. Hell, if anything, an A/D build s one of those builds that can be easily circumvented - weakness. The whole build revolves around making Scythe crits - weakness destroys that damage output.

Paragons are actually awesome in team PvP, provided you have coordinated team (hell, they were OP for a while.) I have quite a few effective builds... provided you have a coordinated team. However, I think it's stupid that their energy management revolves around what your teammates do. As such, I rarely ever play Para in PvP.

Wounding Strike and Ebon Dust Aura are both Elite Skills. Assassins Promise is useless for a A/D.
Most Scythe attacks cost only 5 energy and have a low recharge time. A shadowstep elite or
scythe elite is much more usefull for a A/D.

Of course they're Elites, why would I not take an Elite?

[Orc]

Another way to make money is to identify everything. Not just the magical stuff, but the white stuff too. Why? Because the merchant pays more (silly merchant). For all but the really low end beginning of the game items, you'll make more gold back than the cost of the identify (cost of the kit from the trader/number of identifies). Use the basic small identify kits for the most gold return. I've seen an unidentified white that the merchant would give me 50g for suddenly be worth 100g+ when it's identified.

[Isil`Zha]

I should add to where I said 'why wouldn't I take an Elite' - I've actually had people try to "insult" me by literally saying shit like "you couldn't beat me if you didn't use that elite, pussy!"

In fact, I have screen shots! (In the screens, my character is Antillia.)



He was an ele whining that I hit him with Temple Strike - inflicting Dazed on him.

[Thunderfire]

Of course they're Elites, why would I not take an Elite?

I thought one of your builds used both skills. Getting and maintaining
two elite skills is pretty hard. Assassins Remedy could be a problem
for condition based counters.

[bilateralrope]

I should add to where I said 'why wouldn't I take an Elite' - I've actually had people try to "insult" me by literally saying shit like "you couldn't beat me if you didn't use that elite, pussy!"

In fact, I have screen shots! (In the screens, my character is Antillia.)

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He was an ele whining that I hit him with Temple Strike - inflicting Dazed on him.

Wow. I had forgotten how stupid some of the GW players were.

On the up side, you know that sooner or later his tirades will get him banned.

[Chardok]

Temple strike? That's....pretty inefficient isn't it? 10 energy and a ridiculous recharge, IIRC - I mean, if it works, it works, but with my sin it's all about energy management. Just my style. I spam lots of small repeating attacks constantly (My standard PvE loadout inclused black mantis sting, wild strike and Death Blossom With PS as my elite just for when I get into big, long fights where I need more AoE damage (I know, I know - but I don't HAVE Moebius Strike yet) At any rate - TS seems to be a good casterkiller, but outside that it seems like it'd make you pretty vulnerable to melee - I could be completely wrong, though, my PvP time consists of precisely one mission at Fort Aspenwood where I took in my PvE loadout and actually did REALLY well (I think the anti-sins were expecting a standard palmstriker, and they met a Shadowstepping, Shadowrefuging, AoE (useless)-spamming PvE-sin.

But, you know, to each his own and all that

[Isil`Zha]

I thought one of your builds used both skills. Getting and maintaining
two elite skills is pretty hard. Assassins Remedy could be a problem
for condition based counters.

Oh, sorry, by "build" I meant an entirely different build using Ebon Dust Aura - which is setup to be able to reapply blinding very fast (and uses Wild Blow to avoid blocking and end stances.) As I recall, A/Ds don't use many attack skills, the idea is based around just getting a lot of Scythe crits.

Temple strike? That's....pretty inefficient isn't it? 10 energy and a ridiculous recharge, IIRC - I mean, if it works, it works, but with my sin it's all about energy management. Just my style. I spam lots of small repeating attacks constantly (My standard PvE loadout inclused black mantis sting, wild strike and Death Blossom With PS as my elite just for when I get into big, long fights where I need more AoE damage (I know, I know - but I don't HAVE Moebius Strike yet) At any rate - TS seems to be a good casterkiller, but outside that it seems like it'd make you pretty vulnerable to melee - I could be completely wrong, though, my PvP time consists of precisely one mission at Fort Aspenwood where I took in my PvE loadout and actually did REALLY well (I think the anti-sins were expecting a standard palmstriker, and they met a Shadowstepping, Shadowrefuging, AoE (useless)-spamming PvE-sin.

But, you know, to each his own and all that

1) TS actually costs 15e.
2) TS inflicts dazed and stacks blind on top of it - so I'm technically anti-melee as well.
3) You nailed it with casterkiller, which is specifically what my Temple Strike build is designed for.

Also, I like to do odd things that most players done, and one of the big ones is the Temple Strike build I use on my Assassin. BTW, I take other off-hand as well, so I don't have to rely on TS as my off-hand. I also take Critical Strike and that pretty much handles the energy management - hell, the idea of the build is this:

Dagger Mastery is 16 so I have a really high double-hit rate.
Shadow of Haste --> Death's Charge to the backline caster --> Leaping Mantis Sting > Temple Strike > Critical Strike. At this point he caster is dazed, and the rapid attacking daggers allow for easy inturrupts. When they start to run: Leaping Mantis Sting, crippling them > Jungle Strike, 3/4 second attack that does ~+60 vs crippled foe > Critical Strike. I may have to repeat that last combo once more, but not usually (they're usually dead.) I also use Daggers with +33% dazed duration to go with 16 dagger mastery for about 14-15 seconds of dazed. And when I finish them off (or I get into trouble, since I am behind enemy lines), I just switch my stance to Dash, and teleport out of there.

[Beowulf]

Everyone aware of the free storage pane? http://www.guildwars.com/products/extra ... e_pane.php

Good until the end of the month.

[Broomstick]

I followed the instructions for that, and it appears when I open the Xulani chest, but I can't seem to get into it....

[Orc]

The only free pane is the one labeled "4th anniversary storage". The other 4 grayed out ones are for purchase only.

If you can't get into the 4th anniversary storage pane even after 'purchasing' it, then I suggest talking to support about the issue.