Vader in SW vs. ST

Kintaro · Post by **Kintaro** » 2003-02-06 11:29am

Suppose that new movie, novel, comic book, or whatever, was being made about SW vs. ST, and setting in time for SW is after the latest SW novel, and for ST a couple years after Nemesis. If Darth Vader is in this movie or book (which he should), how would he be brought back? Please, there should not be any clones or time travel involved to do this. I think (and so would a lot of people) that would be lame and too predicable.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2003-02-06 11:37am

A large-scale ritual performed by the spirits of the ancient Sith Lords and a kult of mysterious followers, including the gruesome sacrifice of millions of innocents and Luke, to make sure he stays on the "right" side. Then the restored Darth Vader mind-boggles the Vong and make himself their new god, and proceeds to wipe out the last traces of the Republic in a furious harvest of gory and deaths with them. The Happy End.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-06 01:58pm

The could follow the formulae they used in Highlander II and make some shit up and have a false memory os Vader saying to Luke "If You Need Me Just Call Me" and poof there's Vader back just like Ramierz.

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2003-02-06 10:09pm

Kintaro wrote:Suppose that new movie, novel, comic book, or whatever, was being made about SW vs. ST, and setting in time for SW is after the latest SW novel, and for ST a couple years after Nemesis. If Darth Vader is in this movie or book (which he should), how would he be brought back? Please, there should not be any clones or time travel involved to do this. I think (and so would a lot of people) that would be lame and too predicable.

Any other way would be absurd. They burned his corpse, we saw his ghost, he's dead. And before the cockamamie nitpicking starts, Luke did not strip him out of his costume and burn the empty suit, nor was Anakin having an out of body experience. That would be equally ridiculous.

The only way I can see a post-RotJ film with Vader is if he appears as a simulation or recording.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-06 10:14pm

The only other way that comes to mind is that a different Sith Lord decides to wear an armour suit that resembles Vader's suit, with all sorts of techno-gizmos in it like NBC protection. He doesn't need it to survive, but uses it as a combat aid and also in order to intimidate people, who are terrified that somehow, Vader has returned.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-06 10:43pm

Simple: Anakin Solo gone dark and assuming his namesake.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-06 10:45pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Simple: Anakin Solo gone dark and assuming his namesake.

And then the"Conquest" would begin.

All you have to do is get that weenie Jacen outta the bosses chair.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-02-06 11:40pm

Darth Wong wrote:The only other way that comes to mind is that a different Sith Lord decides to wear an armour suit that resembles Vader's suit, with all sorts of techno-gizmos in it like NBC protection. He doesn't need it to survive, but uses it as a combat aid and also in order to intimidate people, who are terrified that somehow, Vader has returned.

Seeing Vader back would probably terrify anyone sane in the SW galaxy. What Im wondering is if he'll cause more fear and dread in the galaxy and the NR then the "return" of Thrawn did in the VoTF novel. My guess is probably no, simply because while Vader might be terrifying in a melee situtation, he dosen't pose as much a threat, strategically, as Thrawn did.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-07 12:55am

Anakin Skywalker died, Darth Vader did not. Much like the Emperor, he transferred his essence into a clone body hidden in Bast Castle, Anakin Skywalker was only redeemed because the Dark Inflence of Vader left to inhabit the new body.

The new Vader has none of the physical weaknesses of his original body and none of the character weaknesses of his reluctant light side. He is completely of the Dark Side of the force and he has constructed a newer more efficient armor that provides him with more strength rather than now unecessary life support

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-02-07 12:58am

Darth Fanboy wrote:Anakin Skywalker died, Darth Vader did not. Much like the Emperor, he transferred his essence into a clone body hidden in Bast Castle, Anakin Skywalker was only redeemed because the Dark Inflence of Vader left to inhabit the new body.

The new Vader has none of the physical weaknesses of his original body and none of the character weaknesses of his reluctant light side. He is completely of the Dark Side of the force and he has constructed a newer more efficient armor that provides him with more strength rather than now unecessary life support

And your pulling this from where??? Im guessing out of your ass....

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2003-02-07 01:07am

The other problem we're starting to see is that the Vader issue requires so much explanation that it ceases being a real Star Trek vs. Star Wars movie and becomes The Darth Vader Show.

Kintaro · Post by **Kintaro** » 2003-02-07 08:00pm

I think I have good idea, but I need to wait until I get off work to post it all. It has something to do with one of the early drafts of Return of the Jedi.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-02-07 09:49pm

Darth Vader returned...? Nonsense. There is no more Darth Vader; he has been redeemed by the blood of the Emperor and the shards of metal that were once the Death Star.

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2003-02-08 03:03am

More people should just write AUs instead of having it take place after the most recent (in the timeline of both) events of both worlds. That would allow Vader and others to be in it with little of no explanation.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-02-08 03:11am

Ok, when Vader dies, all his negative energy is collected thru some kind of cosmic avenger thingy, so even if he's all a goody-two-shoes ghost now, the dark side of the force will manifest itself and become the old dark lord of the Sith, and stuff.

In other words, only his evil essence becomes alive now and his whiny essence becomes Luke's father and visual hologram in RoTJ. Like that, etc.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-02-08 05:03pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Anakin Skywalker died, Darth Vader did not. Much like the Emperor, he transferred his essence into a clone body hidden in Bast Castle, Anakin Skywalker was only redeemed because the Dark Inflence of Vader left to inhabit the new body.

The new Vader has none of the physical weaknesses of his original body and none of the character weaknesses of his reluctant light side. He is completely of the Dark Side of the force and he has constructed a newer more efficient armor that provides him with more strength rather than now unecessary life support
And your pulling this from where??? Im guessing out of your ass....

Well, of course. Kintaro is looking for speculation, remember?

Kintaro · Post by **Kintaro** » 2003-02-09 12:45am

Kintaro wrote:I think I have good idea, but I need to wait until I get off work to post it all. It has something to do with one of the early drafts of Return of the Jedi.

Man, that was a long shift. Just kidding. Anyways, here is my idea on how Vader could be brought back. Palpatine is enjoying life as a disimbodied spirit in the void of the darkside. He understands that he would enjoy himself more if he were alive, and he searches the Force on how to bring himself back (in an early draft of ROTJ, Obi-Wan was to come back to life and help Luke in the fight against Vader). He discovers his answer, and to achieve his goal, he must greatly increase his power with the force (of course). He reappears, and with his greater powers, he desides to bring back his old budy to help him retake the galaxy. He rips Anakin's spirit from the light side, and with his increased strength, he rather easily forces Anakin back to the darkside. At this point, and until the end of the movie, Anakin (now Darth Vader) does not need his cybernetic implates to survive (he is a fully fleashed human). The Star Wars galaxy meets the Star Trek galaxy (caused by a worm-hole, or a Q fuck up), a bunch of the usual crap happens, and Vader is injured enough such that his must go back to his good old suit, and that movie or book ends. Next year, the sequel, with Vader back as we remember him. Any thoughts, flames, or improvements?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-09 01:13am

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Anakin Skywalker died, Darth Vader did not. Much like the Emperor, he transferred his essence into a clone body hidden in Bast Castle, Anakin Skywalker was only redeemed because the Dark Inflence of Vader left to inhabit the new body.

The new Vader has none of the physical weaknesses of his original body and none of the character weaknesses of his reluctant light side. He is completely of the Dark Side of the force and he has constructed a newer more efficient armor that provides him with more strength rather than now unecessary life support
And your pulling this from where??? Im guessing out of your ass....

yes, I figured if youhave to come up with an off the wall idea you might as well be original.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-09 02:36am

Kintaro wrote:
Kintaro wrote:I think I have good idea, but I need to wait until I get off work to post it all. It has something to do with one of the early drafts of Return of the Jedi.
Man, that was a long shift. Just kidding. Anyways, here is my idea on how Vader could be brought back. Palpatine is enjoying life as a disimbodied spirit in the void of the darkside. He understands that he would enjoy himself more if he were alive, and he searches the Force on how to bring himself back (in an early draft of ROTJ, Obi-Wan was to come back to life and help Luke in the fight against Vader). He discovers his answer, and to achieve his goal, he must greatly increase his power with the force (of course). He reappears, and with his greater powers, he desides to bring back his old budy to help him retake the galaxy. He rips Anakin's spirit from the light side, and with his increased strength, he rather easily forces Anakin back to the darkside. At this point, and until the end of the movie, Anakin (now Darth Vader) does not need his cybernetic implates to survive (he is a fully fleashed human). The Star Wars galaxy meets the Star Trek galaxy (caused by a worm-hole, or a Q fuck up), a bunch of the usual crap happens, and Vader is injured enough such that his must go back to his good old suit, and that movie or book ends. Next year, the sequel, with Vader back as we remember him. Any thoughts, flames, or improvements?

-Palpatine would not bring back Vader like that, very unrealistic, and Vader was never his "old buddy"

-Palpatine couldn't enjoy life as a disembodied Darkside spirit unless he had something o seal his spirit in like a clone body or a temple suchas the one Exar Kun used. Otherwise he would have returned whenever he felt like it after Empire's End.

-The "ripping Anakin's spirit" from the light side is competely freaking weird. I'll admit my idea about Vader and anakin Skywalker being separate personalities was far fetched but this is something you could get reamed over by Vader fans such as myself.

-What is " a bunch of the usual crap?"

-What would cause Vader to need his old armor again? Or more importantly, would could the Feds do to him that would injure him like that?

-My advice is to read the Dark Empire books, and other books with good instances of Force powers.

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