Federation superweapons?

[Ben Ingram]

Outside of the Genesis Device, do the Feds really have ANYTHING on the scale of a superweapon they could throw at the Empire? ANYTHING? No, I think not, but I may be wrong. If you think of anything, please, tell me about it.
I really don't see the Federation as being able to develop another Genesis Device, that was lost with its creator, right?

[Darth Phoenix]

Trilitium Torpedos could cause a star to go supernova but the plans for it were lost

[Alyeska]

Outside of the Genesis Device, do the Feds really have ANYTHING on the scale of a superweapon they could throw at the Empire? ANYTHING? No, I think not, but I may be wrong. If you think of anything, please, tell me about it.
I really don't see the Federation as being able to develop another Genesis Device, that was lost with its creator, right?

First, the Genesis is not lost. There is plenty of information to support this. The station that created it survived. The creator survived. The secret ingrediant was exposed. The station it was created on survived. The second test site survived. The technology behind the Genesis device was used in a solar restoring device that converts balls of rock into new stars.

So, the Federation has both the Genesis device an upgraded device that ignites balls of rock into stars. They are not surprised by other races that can destroy stars or planets. Infact the Dominion had star destroying technology yet strangely witheld its use. The Federation has accidently blown up stars before (abnormal circumstances, but still).

And of course the ultimate super weapon. Time Travel.

[Alyeska]

Trilitium Torpedos could cause a star to go supernova but the plans for it were lost

Unlikely. Soran had several computer consoles at his base that survived. I highly doubt he kept the plans for the torpedo in the launch control computer.

[Ben Ingram]

Outside of the Genesis Device, do the Feds really have ANYTHING on the scale of a superweapon they could throw at the Empire? ANYTHING? No, I think not, but I may be wrong. If you think of anything, please, tell me about it.
I really don't see the Federation as being able to develop another Genesis Device, that was lost with its creator, right?

First, the Genesis is not lost. There is plenty of information to support this. The station that created it survived. The creator survived. The secret ingrediant was exposed. The station it was created on survived. The second test site survived. The technology behind the Genesis device was used in a solar restoring device that converts balls of rock into new stars.

So, the Federation has both the Genesis device an upgraded device that ignites balls of rock into stars. They are not surprised by other races that can destroy stars or planets. Infact the Dominion had star destroying technology yet strangely witheld its use. The Federation has accidently blown up stars before (abnormal circumstances, but still).

And of course the ultimate super weapon. Time Travel.

ST:TMP occured decades b4 NextGen, so I think it's obvious Genesis' creator died, and it's unlikely he told anyone/ recorded the plans.

[Alyeska]

Outside of the Genesis Device, do the Feds really have ANYTHING on the scale of a superweapon they could throw at the Empire? ANYTHING? No, I think not, but I may be wrong. If you think of anything, please, tell me about it.
I really don't see the Federation as being able to develop another Genesis Device, that was lost with its creator, right?

First, the Genesis is not lost. There is plenty of information to support this. The station that created it survived. The creator survived. The secret ingrediant was exposed. The station it was created on survived. The second test site survived. The technology behind the Genesis device was used in a solar restoring device that converts balls of rock into new stars.

So, the Federation has both the Genesis device an upgraded device that ignites balls of rock into stars. They are not surprised by other races that can destroy stars or planets. Infact the Dominion had star destroying technology yet strangely witheld its use. The Federation has accidently blown up stars before (abnormal circumstances, but still).

And of course the ultimate super weapon. Time Travel.

ST:TMP occured decades b4 NextGen, so I think it's obvious Genesis' creator died, and it's unlikely he told anyone/ recorded the plans.

First, TMP did not have the Genisis device, TWOK did. Second, the creator was a she. Third, since when does something happening in the past mean its dead? That is the dumbest logic I have ever heard. According to that line of reasoning once the Wright Brothers died, so did the invention of the airplane. We have plenty of examples of Genesis material and scientists surviving. You think they aren't going to put down their information?

[Ben Ingram]

Also, the Genesis was unpredictable; therefore unwieldy. The Empires superweapons, however, have known effects and are commisioned by the government. I'd rather have the Sun Crusher then the Genesis Device just because I'd know what would happen if I used the Crusher.

[Alyeska]

By the way, learn to type you idiot. WTF are you using "b4"? Thats an idiots way to get around typing out before. Geeze, are those four extra leters that hard to type?

[Alyeska]

Also, the Genesis was unpredictable; therefore unwieldy. The Empires superweapons, however, have known effects and are commisioned by the government. I'd rather have the Sun Crusher then the Genesis Device just because I'd know what would happen if I used the Crusher.

Your a fucking idiot. Genesis was unpredictable because it ended up destroying the planet. As a weapon it is quite predictable. And as for a super weapon, I would rather have Trilithium torpedoes. Can be fired by any Fed ship to destroy an entire star system.

[Darth Phoenix]

Trilitium Torpedos could cause a star to go supernova but the plans for it were lost

Unlikely. Soran had several computer consoles at his base that survived. I highly doubt he kept the plans for the torpedo in the launch control computer.

Possible, but when the launcher exploded didn't it took information about the torpedos?
When the starfleet ships came for the crew i don't heard any talk about the plans for it altough i could be mistaken haven't watched Generations in a long time.

[Ben Ingram]

Excuse me, Alyssa, I utterly ABHORE the Star Trek movies except for Nemesis, not to mention Voyager or Enterprise; and I seriously doubt the Trilythium torps could possibly do much damage to the Empire when almost a dozen stars have been destroyed by the Sun Crusher, Centerpoint station, and {I think, havent read it yet}, the Galaxy Gun
Oh, thanks for the ad homeium{sic?} attack on my typing. Nice touch.

[Alyeska]

Excuse me, Alyssa, I utterly ABHORE the Star Trek movies except for Nemesis, not to mention Voyager or Enterprise; and I seriously doubt the Trilythium torps could possibly do much damage to the Empire when almost a dozen stars have been destroyed by the Sun Crusher, Centerpoint station, and {I think, havent read it yet}, the Galaxy Gun
Oh, thanks for the ad homeium{sic?} attack on my typing. Nice touch.

If you weren't trying to kiss ass with the Wars side and didn't make such idiotic statements about Trek, I might not have commented on your poor spelling.

And as for your assumption about the Trilithium torpedoes. Such weapons are as effective as the number of times they are fired. The Sun Crusher itself isn't the star weapon either. Trilithium torpedoes are easy to be carried and can be fired by any Trek capitalship.

[Ben Ingram]

Excuse me, Alyssa, I utterly ABHORE the Star Trek movies except for Nemesis, not to mention Voyager or Enterprise; and I seriously doubt the Trilythium torps could possibly do much damage to the Empire when almost a dozen stars have been destroyed by the Sun Crusher, Centerpoint station, and {I think, havent read it yet}, the Galaxy Gun
Oh, thanks for the ad homeium{sic?} attack on my typing. Nice touch.

If you weren't trying to kiss ass with the Wars side and didn't make such idiotic statements about Trek, I might not have commented on your poor spelling.

And as for your assumption about the Trilithium torpedoes. Such weapons are as effective as the number of times they are fired. The Sun Crusher itself isn't the star weapon either. Trilithium torpedoes are easy to be carried and can be fired by any Trek capitalship.

I am not kissing anything, I AM A WARSIE!!! I ave said it many times before!!!!!!!!
Anyway, the Sun Crusher is indestructable save for a supernova or black hole, or perhaps the Death Stars beam. A ship carrying a Trillitihum torpedo is just as easily destroyed as a ship thats not, making the Sun Crusher the superior weapon.

[Darth Phoenix]

Excuse me, Alyssa, I utterly ABHORE the Star Trek movies except for Nemesis, not to mention Voyager or Enterprise; and I seriously doubt the Trilythium torps could possibly do much damage to the Empire when almost a dozen stars have been destroyed by the Sun Crusher, Centerpoint station, and {I think, havent read it yet}, the Galaxy Gun
Oh, thanks for the ad homeium{sic?} attack on my typing. Nice touch.

If you weren't trying to kiss ass with the Wars side and didn't make such idiotic statements about Trek, I might not have commented on your poor spelling.

And as for your assumption about the Trilithium torpedoes. Such weapons are as effective as the number of times they are fired. The Sun Crusher itself isn't the star weapon either. Trilithium torpedoes are easy to be carried and can be fired by any Trek capitalship.

I am not kissing anything, I AM A WARSIE!!! I ave said it many times before!!!!!!!!
Anyway, the Sun Crusher is indestructable save for a supernova or black hole, or perhaps the Death Stars beam. A ship carrying a Trillitihum torpedo is just as easily destroyed as a ship thats not, making the Sun Crusher the superior weapon.

You do know that easily destroyable or not that ship still has the capability to destroy a star, and is much more easy to produce them!

[Sonnenburg]

Excuse me, Alyssa, I utterly ABHORE the Star Trek movies except for Nemesis, not to mention Voyager or Enterprise; and I seriously doubt the Trilythium torps could possibly do much damage to the Empire when almost a dozen stars have been destroyed by the Sun Crusher, Centerpoint station, and {I think, havent read it yet}, the Galaxy Gun
Oh, thanks for the ad homeium{sic?} attack on my typing. Nice touch.

An insult is not an ad hominem. It's only an ad hominem if he attacked you rather than your point (he attacked both).

[Ben Ingram]

Actually, it's not that much more expensive to produce a sun crusher; it's the torpedos they fire that are quite expensive.

[Darth Phoenix]

Actually, it's not that much more expensive to produce a sun crusher; it's the torpedos they fire that are quite expensive.

If i'n not mistaken the Sun crusher project costed has much as the Death Star.
And it isn't just the torpedos it is also the armor.

[Alyeska]

Excuse me, Alyssa, I utterly ABHORE the Star Trek movies except for Nemesis, not to mention Voyager or Enterprise; and I seriously doubt the Trilythium torps could possibly do much damage to the Empire when almost a dozen stars have been destroyed by the Sun Crusher, Centerpoint station, and {I think, havent read it yet}, the Galaxy Gun
Oh, thanks for the ad homeium{sic?} attack on my typing. Nice touch.

If you weren't trying to kiss ass with the Wars side and didn't make such idiotic statements about Trek, I might not have commented on your poor spelling.

And as for your assumption about the Trilithium torpedoes. Such weapons are as effective as the number of times they are fired. The Sun Crusher itself isn't the star weapon either. Trilithium torpedoes are easy to be carried and can be fired by any Trek capitalship.

I am not kissing anything, I AM A WARSIE!!! I ave said it many times before!!!!!!!!
Anyway, the Sun Crusher is indestructable save for a supernova or black hole, or perhaps the Death Stars beam. A ship carrying a Trillitihum torpedo is just as easily destroyed as a ship thats not, making the Sun Crusher the superior weapon.

Yes, lets count how many Sun Crushers that can be fielded. Now, how many Trilithium torpedo ships can be fielded? I sense a distinct advantage.

BTW, you are kissing ass. Sure, you might be a warsie, but your kissing other warsies asses and trying to bash Trek to get on the "in crowd". All your doing is irritating everyone though.

[Ben Ingram]

And now this post has calmed down, what is the ratio between Imperial and Federal superweapons? I am talking about designs, even though there were dozens of World Devestators it only counts as one as they were all the same design, and while the Death Stars were almost the same, DS2 was much larger than the first one and had the ability to turn off its axis and target Cap Ships, so they count as two different designs.
Anyone have any ideas?

[Ben Ingram]

If you weren't trying to kiss ass with the Wars side and didn't make such idiotic statements about Trek, I might not have commented on your poor spelling.

And as for your assumption about the Trilithium torpedoes. Such weapons are as effective as the number of times they are fired. The Sun Crusher itself isn't the star weapon either. Trilithium torpedoes are easy to be carried and can be fired by any Trek capitalship.

I am not kissing anything, I AM A WARSIE!!! I ave said it many times before!!!!!!!!
Anyway, the Sun Crusher is indestructable save for a supernova or black hole, or perhaps the Death Stars beam. A ship carrying a Trillitihum torpedo is just as easily destroyed as a ship thats not, making the Sun Crusher the superior weapon.

Yes, lets count how many Sun Crushers that can be fielded. Now, how many Trilithium torpedo ships can be fielded? I sense a distinct advantage.

BTW, you are kissing ass. Sure, you might be a warsie, but your kissing other warsies asses and trying to bash Trek to get on the "in crowd". All your doing is irritating everyone though.

A. I couldn't care less about being in the "in" crowd or not, I have never liked trek.... ever, and if I ever saw a Trek-based site, they'd ban me for being a troll.
B. The Empire is fully capable of fielding dozens of Sun Crushers, the only reason they didn't was because the prototype was still being built by the time Palpy died.
C. And you are a Trekkie. And a troll.
D. So I take it a Trekkie speaks for the majority of members of this site?

[Darth Phoenix]

This will not end well.

[Sothis]

A. I couldn't care less about being in the "in" crowd or not, I have never liked trek.... ever, and if I ever saw a Trek-based site, they'd ban me for being a troll.
B. The Empire is fully capable of fielding dozens of Sun Crushers, the only reason they didn't was because the prototype was still being built by the time Palpy died.
C. And you are a Trekkie. And a troll.
D. So I take it a Trekkie speaks for the majority of members of this site?

A: so you're saying you'd troll on purely Trek-based sites like the offical site? Why?
B: Don't know anything about this, so I'll keep out of it.
C: Why is Alyeska a troll because he's a Trekkie?
D: You've had a number of Warsies complain about your frequent posting of already dealt with topics. When your allies and enemies tell you the same thing, you should listen.[/quote]

[Ben Ingram]

Sure it would, if that Alexius guy would stop attacking me and start debating my arguements. Unless he doesn't feel he can debate my arguements.

[Ben Ingram]

A. I couldn't care less about being in the "in" crowd or not, I have never liked trek.... ever, and if I ever saw a Trek-based site, they'd ban me for being a troll.
B. The Empire is fully capable of fielding dozens of Sun Crushers, the only reason they didn't was because the prototype was still being built by the time Palpy died.
C. And you are a Trekkie. And a troll.
D. So I take it a Trekkie speaks for the majority of members of this site?

A: so you're saying you'd troll on purely Trek-based sites like the offical site? Why?
B: Don't know anything about this, so I'll keep out of it.
C: Why is Alyeska a troll because he's a Trekkie?
D: You've had a number of Warsies complain about your frequent posting of already dealt with topics. When your allies and enemies tell you the same thing, you should listen.

[/quote]

A. no, I'd troll on sites saying that Star Trek would destroy Star Wars.
C. He's a troll for basing his arguements against me, not for being a Trekkie {although that's nearly as bad; I have no problem agains trekkers, but Trekkies annoy the hell outta me}
D. And I've apologized, but he says he represents the majority of the members of this site.

I didn't come here looking for an arguement, he started it. I have nothing against him, but he needs to stop attacking ME as the basis for his arguements. I dont mind being flammed occasionaly, but sixty percent of his arguement is against ME. It is style over substance, if you look at it from my angle.

[Darth Phoenix]

First of you have to bring something that has not been discussed to death here or that still has life in it.
You have to provide evidence before saying that the empire could build X sun crushers.
Don't take me wrong but proof of what you say is necessary.