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[Bounty]

Confusing... how?

Just what exactly about the plot of the last movie was confusing in the least?

The actions and motivations of all main characters? The glasses subplot that went nowhere fast? The Allspark, which has an undefined lifegiving power and must be protected at all cost except for the end where it's a Transformer-killing weapon?

[Zablorg]

And how are any of those things "confusing"? The character motivations were simple, certainly, and the glasses were a poorly handled subplot, but I don't see why any of these things should cause confusion. And I'm not even sure if the nature of the Allspark counts at all into this, as its potentially destructive nature was mentioned previously in the movie.

Maybe Ray's getting his vocab tangled again.

[Molyneux]

"It's upgrade tahm..."

Since when are there redneck Autobots?

[Drooling Iguana]

Since G1 Ironhide?

[Havok]

Since the same time there were Jive talking inner city ghetto Autobots.

[McC]

"It looks exactly like a truck!"
"Freaky, right?"

I love it.

[Vympel]

The actions and motivations of all main characters? The glasses subplot that went nowhere fast? The Allspark, which has an undefined lifegiving power and must be protected at all cost except for the end where it's a Transformer-killing weapon?

I'm not sure what you mean.

What's wrong with the main characters' motivations? The glasses subplot served its purpose - to let the Autobots know where the Allspark was. It's lifegiving power was well defined - it turns machines into Transformers. It can't be allowed to fall into Megatron's hands because he'd raise an army with it. So Optimus decides if he can't protect it, he must destroy it by combining it with his own Spark. Sam has a flash of inspiration and decides if it'll destroy Optimus, it'll destroy Megatron, so kills Megatron with it. What's the problem?

[McC]

It's lifegiving power was well defined

if it'll destroy Optimus, it'll destroy Megatron, so kills Megatron with it.

I think this is the conflict that is being cited.

[Bounty]

The Autobots need the Allspark to win the war - but they send it out into space! And then they chase after it because they changed their mind about needing it, but only after they let Megatron get a head start! And the other Decepticons are chasing them too for some reason*. But they're after some glasses that have a map to the Allspark, which Megatron imprinted for... some... reason. But the human who has the glasses has a protector that... lures him to the Decepticons? Then the rest of the Autobots arrive and they go after the glasses, but then the spooks show up and capture Bumblebee, but it's okay since they turn out to be good spooks who take them to the Allspark, which conveniently is in the same facility Megatron has been moved to, so the glasses were never important. Then the Decepticons attack, so Optimus decides to... destroy the Allspark? Yeah, it's somehow a weapon too, but he needs to kill himself, but then the human kills Megatron with the Allspark instead.

And then the Autobots call their buddies to Earth because of... dunno... protecting lesser species by painting a bullseye on them? Also the Allspark wasn't really necessary to save their race and the Decepticons are so of not a problem any more for some reason.

Yeah. But look at the pretty explosions!

* Granted, the comic filled this bit in a bit, but come on...

[Vympel]

I think this is the conflict that is being cited.

I don't see how this is a conflict. That it's presence can animate otherwise inanimate technology isn't contradictory to it killing a Transformer if combined with their own Spark, due to it's supposed power or whatever.

The Autobots need the Allspark to win the war - but they send it out into space!

Did they send it out into space?

And then they chase after it because they changed their mind about needing it, but only after they let Megatron get a head start!

How did Megatron get a head start? Couldn't he have just found it first?

And the other Decepticons are chasing them too for some reason*.

Them who? The Autobots?

But they're after some glasses that have a map to the Allspark, which Megatron imprinted for... some... reason.

I thought they explicitly explained that in the movie.

But the human who has the glasses has a protector that... lures him to the Decepticons?

How'd Bumblebee do that? Frenzy looked up Sam without Bumblebee having anything to do with it.

Then the rest of the Autobots arrive and they go after the glasses, but then the spooks show up and capture Bumblebee, but it's okay since they turn out to be good spooks who take them to the Allspark, which conveniently is in the same facility Megatron has been moved to, so the glasses were never important.

No, they were important and their importance got overtaken by subsequent events. Bumblebee never would've gotten captured had they not been looking for the glasses in the first place.

Then the Decepticons attack, so Optimus decides to... destroy the Allspark? Yeah, it's somehow a weapon too, but he needs to kill himself, but then the human kills Megatron with the Allspark instead.

Yes, he decides to destroy the Allspark if it's in danger of falling into Decepticon hands. What's wrong this?

And then the Autobots call their buddies to Earth because of... dunno... protecting lesser species by painting a bullseye on them? Also the Allspark wasn't really necessary to save their race and the Decepticons are so of not a problem any more for some reason.

Absolutely none of this is true given what happens in the sequel, AFAIK.

[Bounty]

Did they send it out into space?

They did in the prequel comic (it's the delaying action to do just that which cost Bumblebee his voicebox). Note sure about the movie, but I'm pretty sure Prime says so in either the opening narration or the alley-gram.

How did Megatron get a head start? Couldn't he have just found it first?

Considering that a, Megatron got to Earth millions of years before any other Transformer and b, Optimus says they were chasing Megatron, he either got a head start or the Autobots really suck at Mapquest.

Them who? The Autobots?

Yes. They want the Allspark, then they don't, then they need it again, and instead of letting the Autobots go on their merry goose chase and conquer the planet the Decepticons go after them.

I thought they explicitly explained that in the movie.

No. They say Witwicky finds Megatron and Megatron burns the map into the glasses. There's no how or why, it's just a nonsensical plot McGuffin.

How'd Bumblebee do that?

By very conspicuously driving off in the middle of the night for no reason ever shown in the movie, right into the empty lot where Barricade corners Sam.

No, they were important and their importance got overtaken by subsequent events. Bumblebee never would've gotten captured had they not been looking for the glasses in the first place.

They were a plot point that the writers apparently got bored with so instead of doing anything with what is a pretty interesting idea they just went "and then the magic Simmons brought them all to the Magic Allspark of Oz. Forget the glasses."

Events overtaking events may be realistic but in a movie it's just damn sloppy writing.

Yes, he decides to destroy the Allspark if it's in danger of falling into Decepticon hands. What's wrong this?

Why blast it out into space in the first place then? Why chase after it and protect it (remember, Optimus says they need its live-giving properties to restore Cybertron!) only to change you mind? Why insist on Sam killing Prime with the Allspark when Megatron is *right there*?

Absolutely none of this is true given what happens in the sequel, AFAIK.

Given that neither you or I have seen this sequel I can't comment on it. But pointing to a sequel that isn't out yet and saying "well this plugs up the obvious plot hole left in the last movie" is pretty cheap.

[Crazedwraith]

By very conspicuously driving off in the middle of the night for no reason ever shown in the movie, right into the empty lot where Barricade corners Sam.

When Sam catches up to Bumblebee, he's firing off a searchlight into the sky communicating with the other Autobots.

[Shroom Man 777]

Hey, electricity also gives life in the form of the bioelectricity our body needs and uses. But it can also electrocute you and kill you dead. The human body is composed mostly of water, but water can also kill people if its angry. The Allspark really isn't all that different.

[Darth Wong]

It seems like Bounty is working really hard to make the All-Spark seem like bad writing. Yes, it's a MacGuffin, but that does not in itself make it bad writing. If you have something which is crucial to the long-term survival of your species, you're obviously going to be reluctant to destroy it. But let's say it also grants the power to do terrible things. You don't want to use it to do these terrible things yourself for ethical reasons, but you want to keep it away from someone who would use it this way. So what do you do? You hide it. And if the enemy figures out where it is, you would try to retrieve it before he does. I don't see why that's stupid.

Others have already pointed out how stupid it is to declare that "if a little of something is good, then a LOT of it must be good too" as a way of attacking the All-Spark.

[ray245]

I'm not saying that the first movie is confusing to the point that you cannot enjoy the movie per say, but trying to say that having to deal with two things at the same time in this movie, namely the Fallen and the decepticons returning will be messy.

[SylasGaunt]

As I recall the Autobots wanted the allspark, not so they could win the war, but rather so they could fix Cybertron since it had been wrecked by the fighting.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I'm not saying that the first movie is confusing to the point that you cannot enjoy the movie per say, but trying to say that having to deal with two things at the same time in this movie, namely the Fallen and the decepticons returning will be messy.

There is nothing hard about following a movie with A and B plots which are pretty heavily connected to each other; this is basic storytelling techniques we're talking about.

Beyond some possibly disorienting cinematography during fight scenes, I can't conceive how this film will be confusing in any way.

[Shroom Man 777]

ray gets easily confused sometimes. Maybe the toilet humor and mama jokes were hard to follow.

[SAMAS]

Yes, he decides to destroy the Allspark if it's in danger of falling into Decepticon hands. What's wrong this?

Why blast it out into space in the first place then?

Why chase after it and protect it (remember, Optimus says they need its live-giving properties to restore Cybertron!) only to change you mind?

Sending it into space was Plan A: Get it beyond Megatron's reach. Presumably, they'd hoped to be able to track it down first. As we can see, it didn't quite work. With no way to get it off-planet easily, and the very real chance of the Decepticons getting to it if they couldn't take them out, the Autobots went to plan B: Destroy it.

Why insist on Sam killing Prime with the Allspark when Megatron is *right there*?

Because he's Optimus Prime. They do love to sacrifice themselves, don't they?

[The Yosemite Bear]

fun is reading this and talking to an ex-roomate who created a Transformers RPG game when we were in college. "Too bad 'Thunderchilde' isn't in the new movie. Bryon 'Thunderchilde' was my creation and doesn't exist in the real TF universe. But the transforming train...." Trying to explain a steampunk autobot that was critcally injured fighting tri-pods a century before the others woke up- Priceless

[Darth Wong]

Why insist on Sam killing Prime with the Allspark when Megatron is *right there*?

Because he's Optimus Prime. They do love to sacrifice themselves, don't they?

Or because they couldn't have anticipated that Megatron would lean his slightly damaged chest so low that a puny fleshling would be able to lift the All-Spark close enough to his chest cavity.

[Havok]

And because Optimus wouldn't be actively trying to smoosh Sam as Megatron would be.

[Sriad]

I'm not saying that the first movie is confusing to the point that you cannot enjoy the movie per say, but trying to say that having to deal with two things at the same time in this movie, namely the Fallen and the decepticons returning will be messy.

There is nothing hard about following a movie with A and B plots which are pretty heavily connected to each other; this is basic storytelling techniques we're talking about.

Beyond some possibly disorienting cinematography during fight scenes, I can't conceive how this film will be confusing in any way.

This may be an ESL thing. If I say something is "confusing" I mean complicated to the point where it confuses me. If something is a chaotic jumble of dead-end plots and poorly executed McGuffins (which I don't believe of Transformers) then it's "confused".

Snatch is confusing, Spiderman 3 is confused.

[ray245]

I'm not saying that the first movie is confusing to the point that you cannot enjoy the movie per say, but trying to say that having to deal with two things at the same time in this movie, namely the Fallen and the decepticons returning will be messy.

There is nothing hard about following a movie with A and B plots which are pretty heavily connected to each other; this is basic storytelling techniques we're talking about.

Beyond some possibly disorienting cinematography during fight scenes, I can't conceive how this film will be confusing in any way.

This may be an ESL thing. If I say something is "confusing" I mean complicated to the point where it confuses me. If something is a chaotic jumble of dead-end plots and poorly executed McGuffins (which I don't believe of Transformers) then it's "confused".

Snatch is confusing, Spiderman 3 is confused.

Yup, that is what I am trying to say. Thanks.

[Zablorg]

Could anyone who's spoiled the novelization plot for themselves tell us how "confused" the plot is?