SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread VIII

[DarthShady]

This Alexey mang is awesome. A true Hero of the Union indeed.

[PeZook]

His luck is bound to run out eventually, though.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

His luck is bound to run out eventually, though.

Then... clone the fucker and his luck can run out infinitely many times.

[K. A. Pital]

Depends on whether we really send him after Shep. Personally, the affiliation of Shep with any MESS nation, or the fact that any nation harbors him without trial or execution, is going to tank that nation's reputation extremely fast. Shep is more useful in the hands of the OD rather than dead.

[RogueIce]

Lonestar could always disguise the fact that it's Sheppard. Which would make more sense. I don't see why his own country would support him sticking him back in power. Much less screwing over his MESS allies. *hint hint*

[K. A. Pital]

Sooner or later that shit would float. Lonestar wrote in tons of foreign observers in Sirnoth. Clearly if they won't be showing the face of Shep, barring radical face surgery, everyone would gather something suspicious is going on. Of course, Lonestar can always have his face carved up, but at such an age and with HERV infection that might have unintended and unprecended consequences, it might not be entirely proper.

The Shep affair, if it ever surfaces, would forever remove the O.D. to the status of a pariah state. Gamble's worth it. I bet there'll be a cutthroat race by intelligence services to know this fact, and whoever discovers it the first will have to decide whether to blackmail Lonestar or just tell the world about it Besides, Lonestar mentioned that this Shep thing will cause some chaos in the world, so it seems he wants to officially announce it.

Although it won't be as bad, he'll have a partner nation, pariah Shep-controlled Sirnoth as solace

[Lonestar]

Depends on whether we really send him after Shep. Personally, the affiliation of Shep with any MESS nation, or the fact that any nation harbors him without trial or execution, is going to tank that nation's reputation extremely fast. Shep is more useful in the hands of the OD rather than dead.

Sure. And then I'll produce the wreckage of the CSR cruise missile we recovered and demand that Stanislav be turned over for a war crimes trial.

I'll also produce some photos taken by my pin-camera in my glasses from the Steve-Stas-Shep(or, as I call it...TRIPLE ESS)-Lonestar summit that proves Stanislav knew abotu the attacks on Astaria ahead of time and did nothing, then turned around and toasted Shepistan.

[K. A. Pital]

And then I'll produce the wreckage of the CSR cruise missile we recovered and demand that Stanislav be turned over for a war crimes trial.

Fat chance that.

We'll then demand Beowulf be extradicted for war crimes trial for hitting a non-combatant zone with chemical weapons (Sheppard specifically did not fire bioweapons into Veleria to keep them isolated inside the Astarian island, so Beowulf won't have Shep's attack explaining anything). I mean, he launched missiles from submarines. Our AEW radars would have noted the swarm.

Frankly, to ruin my reputation, you'll need something stronger and not to mention that I'm no longer in official capacity, but you'll be installing Shep in a ruling capacity

Also, missiles are deniable. "Hey look, that looks like Kh-101". "Um... no. These are charred remains of a new generation of the Japanistani licensed Kh-55 missiles. It seems our Eastern neighbours got tired of their unruly ally. Wanna check that?"

I'll also produce some photos taken by my pin-camera in my glasses from the Steve-Stas-Shep(or, as I call it...TRIPLE ESS)-Lonestar summit that proves Stanislav knew abotu the attacks on Astaria ahead of time and did nothing

Stanislav's policy on the Astaria-Shepistan conflict has always been "do nothing". What should I have done? I was a third party to the declaration of war by Shepistan, and the CSR at no point even declared war on Astaria. I did make diplomatic communications to Shep to tone the conflict down and explicitly explained to him that the CSR won't be participating in WMD strikes. He went ahead... he only has himself to blame.

[PeZook]

Well, yeah...Shady can deny that cruise missile came from the UCSR, while the OD can't easily deny installing Shep to head the puppet government, especially if those partisans follow up with accusations of assassination games and the like.

And, of course, videos can be faked, and it would implicate the OD as much as everybody else. Moreso, since the UCSR's leadership has changed in the meantime.

[Lonestar]

Fine, I'm installing Al-Sheppard's older brother, Rhee Anh Sheppard, as head of Sirnoth. The Sheppard clan is sufficiently reclusive(remember, Sheppard spent his entire time in a bunker, even in peacetime) I might be able to pull it off.


(Basically I want to go forward with this and the UCSR agent trying to cap him anyway )

[PeZook]

He's still from a Sheppish minority, isn't he? Very British of you

[Lonestar]

He's still from a Sheppish minority, isn't he? Very British of you

Actually, the Shrooms are the British of this world, remember?

[PeZook]

Actually, the Shrooms are the British of this world, remember?

I said the move (installing a minority leader so that he will be loyal to you) was very British, not you

[DarthShady]

Big Political Scandals.

Glad I wasn't involved in all that.

Speaking of Shroom, I miss that crazy Shroomanian mang.

[Lonestar]

well, he's installed. Wee!

[Ryan Thunder]

Dude I won't even get into how there is no way your government should be able to afford that on top of all the rest of the basic neccessities of life at your GDP level (leaving aside the fact that your listed per capita GDP would put you third in this day and age behind on Qatar and Luxembourg). Either the parents have to subsidize most of it (in which case the vast majority of your students shouldn't have them) or the government subsidizes most of it (in which case your tax level is gonna be sky high and you should be shedding ex-pats like raindrops).

How about you provide some calculations?

If Ryan wants to provide every student of his with a 400$ PDA, that means he has to buy one for around 500 thousand kids (if we assume 6% of the population are students of various kinds) when introducing the program. That's a mere 200 million. Spread it over several years, and Miratia can easily pay for it. Sustaining the program, even with a staggering 1% population growth rate would cost 32 million or so per year plus organizational costs.

That's for the high-end expensive PDAs, costs come down sinigifcantly when you can knock the costs down - and when you give a manufacturer an order for half a million PDAs, they WILL

And, of course, if parents subsidize even a small fraction of the costs, it becomes even cheaper.

It'd actually end up being more like $75 million (less than a single Falcon fighter jet) because I was thinking of the sort I had in high school while using the price I paid for my current one. Brain fart. XD

[Beowulf]

And then I'll produce the wreckage of the CSR cruise missile we recovered and demand that Stanislav be turned over for a war crimes trial.

Fat chance that.

We'll then demand Beowulf be extradicted for war crimes trial for hitting a non-combatant zone with chemical weapons (Sheppard specifically did not fire bioweapons into Veleria to keep them isolated inside the Astarian island, so Beowulf won't have Shep's attack explaining anything). I mean, he launched missiles from submarines. Our AEW radars would have noted the swarm.

Good luck with that. Astarian Veleria was a belligerent, and the Astarian use of biological weapons affected Tian Xia citizens who were in the Old Dominion, a non-belligerent. Oddly enough, I even admitted I was behind the chemical attack. No one cared at the time I admitted it. Steve was a bit surprised, IIRC.

I'd question your ability to detect the launches using AEW radars. Sure, they may be able to detect that a launch occurred if you're referring to your OTH radars, but not really the number of launches. They're not precise enough to determine that. Also, such radars are not typically considered AEW, since they also do a dandy job of detecting ships at sea as well.

Then of course, any attempt to apprehend Huang-Di Beowulf, the sitting head of state, will be considered an act of war, with all that is implied.

[K. A. Pital]

Astarian Veleria was a belligerent, and the Astarian use of biological weapons affected Tian Xia citizens who were in the Old Dominion, a non-belligerent. Oddly enough, I even admitted I was behind the chemical attack. No one cared at the time I admitted it.

That's right But Astarian Veleria (or Astaria itself for that matter) wasn't a belligerent de-jure - it didn't attack Tian Xia, but merely Shepistan. Any deaths in the OD were a collateral damage. Even the OD itself IIRC didn't attack Astaria.

I'd question your ability to detect the launches using AEW radars.

I don't need the number of launches - it may be off by 30-40 launches, as it usually is (Tomahawk Desert Storm launches detection as I gathered was wrong about that amount), I just need the detection of launches. But yeah I forgot, you admitted the chem attack. All the easier to point fingers

Then of course, any attempt to apprehend Huang-Di Beowulf, the sitting head of state, will be considered an act of war

I doubt anyone would be attempting that, but calling for your extradiction by your supra-statist organizations would be a legal act. It's a note, but hardly an act of war

[CmdrWilkens]

I'd question your ability to detect the launches using AEW radars.

I don't need the number of launches - it may be off by 30-40 launches, as it usually is (Tomahawk Desert Storm launches detection as I gathered was wrong about that amount), I just need the detection of launches. But yeah I forgot, you admitted the chem attack. All the easier to point fingers

I'd honestly say just the opposite. Because no one objected tot he public declaration it serves as a de facto acknowledgement of the legality of reprisal for the death of non-combatants in a non-combatant nation. Calling out anybody at this point without new evidence that changes the nature of the actions (Lonestar bringing out the wreckage qualifies, data on the launches doesn't) you would be grasping at straws. I'm not saying you couldn't spin it but rather that it would be a hell of a lot harder to pull off especially right after being accused of plotting and engaging in the destruction of a nation-state, an action so disparaged that it led to the only internationally ratified agreement I'm aware of.


Which reminds me, after I get back from my work trip to Atlanta BIOCOM is going out for another round of inspections.

[Beowulf]

There's a difference between collateral damage in a belligerent country, and collateral damage in a non-belligerent. CD in a belligerent is a regretable necessity of war. CD in a non-belligerent is a de facto violation of the principal of proportionality, and therefore a violation of the laws of war.

There's a good legal case that the chemical attack fulfills the conditions of reprisal: a limited violation of laws of war in direct retribution for another violation by a belligerent. Has to be done against the original violator of the laws of war, must be proportionate to the original violation, must have the aim of persuading the original violator to comply with the legally accepted behavior in future, and must not continue after the illegal behavior ends.

[K. A. Pital]

I'm not saying your actions were irrational. I'm just saying any attempts to turn public opinion against me due to the Shep affair would have as much luck as me trying to blame you for chemming Astarians. No luck at all.

Lonestar bringing out the wreckage qualifies

Yeah, but that'd have the same level of "proof" as Bigfoot. These missiles could have been anyone's. Japanistan could have done this or even sold them to enemies of Sheppos, for all I know

[PeZook]

You know, guys, I'm considering dropping out of the game. I no longer have the time necessary to post in any serious detail, nor take care of various stuff like budgets and naval procurement etc.

I could sort of linger on like phong, but then it's suddendly gonna be 2035 and I'll still be operating Burkes and Ticos and Kirovs

I'm not sure yet, though, since the situation may improve, but it's very likely I'll be dropping out at some time in the nearest future.

[K. A. Pital]

I thought we were slowing it to linger in 2017?

[Ryan Thunder]

You know, guys, I'm considering dropping out of the game.

Can I have your stuff?

[RogueIce]

You know, guys, I'm considering dropping out of the game. I no longer have the time necessary to post in any serious detail, nor take care of various stuff like budgets and naval procurement etc.

I could sort of linger on like phong, but then it's suddendly gonna be 2035 and I'll still be operating Burkes and Ticos and Kirovs

I'm not sure yet, though, since the situation may improve, but it's very likely I'll be dropping out at some time in the nearest future.

I'm in the same boat, though it's mostly a question of, "What do I do now?" That and trying to keep up with technology which, frankly, is getting to be over my head.

I have a couple story ideas, but realistically they could easily be done in Fanfics, just using this as a sort of reference, as they would not really impact the greater world in any great way. A city in my nation, perhaps even my nation, but not really the world. Not in a huge way, anyway.

Plus, there's the Star Wars STGOD. So we'll see. I'm not calling for an end to it, I mean if people want to push ahead go for it. But my nation will probably be run on autopilot, same as probably PeZookia.

I thought we were slowing it to linger in 2017?

It will indeed. It'll be about what, 3 months until 2018? 12 weeks, anyway. That may help PeZook, although it doesn't help me with my creative drought.