Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

N&P: Discuss governments, nations, politics and recent related news here.

Moderators: Alyrium Denryle, Edi, K. A. Pital

Post Reply
User avatar
FSTargetDrone
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 7878
Joined: 2004-04-10 06:10pm
Location: Drone HQ, Pennsylvania, USA

Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by FSTargetDrone »

You saw it here first:
LIBERTY UNIV. EXPELS CAMPUS DEMOCRATS

Posted: Friday, May 22, 2009 1:06 PM by Mark Murray

Filed Under: States, Democrats

From NBC's Mark Murray

Liberty University, the school in Virginia founded by the late Jerry Falwell, has expelled the Democratic Party club on the campus, saying that the national Democratic Party's views contradict the university's mission.

Said a school official in an email to the Democratic club, according to the Lynchburg (VA) newspaper: "The Democratic Party platform is contrary to the mission of Liberty University and to Christian doctrine (supports abortion, federal funding of abortion, advocates repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, promotes the "LGBT" agenda, hate crimes, which include sexual orientation and gender identity, socialism, etc.)."

Democratic gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe held a conference call with reporters in support of the Democrats at Liberty University.

Of course, one must ask: Just how many Dems attend Liberty?
I can think of a lot of other schools I'd rather attend as a Democratic-leaning student. Unless of course, their goals are to somehow change the worldview of the conservative types who attend.

Still, I don't think I'd choose to go there. Ever.
Image
User avatar
General Zod
Never Shuts Up
Posts: 29211
Joined: 2003-11-18 03:08pm
Location: The Clearance Rack
Contact:

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by General Zod »

So when can we expect the ACLU to start breathing down their necks?
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
User avatar
FSTargetDrone
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 7878
Joined: 2004-04-10 06:10pm
Location: Drone HQ, Pennsylvania, USA

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by FSTargetDrone »

Incidentally, I just found this short piece from a student who "infiltrated" the school:

Kevin Roose

Author, "The Unlikely Disciple: A Sinner's Semester at America's Holiest University"

Posted May 5, 2009 | 03:18 PM (EST)

Surprises from Liberty University: What I Learned as an Undercover Evangelical

When I stepped on to the campus of Liberty University for my first day as a new transfer student, I thought I knew what I was getting myself into.

I knew that Liberty was a Christian college in Lynchburg, Virginia, founded in 1971 by the late Reverend Jerry Falwell to train "Champions for Christ." I knew it had required courses in Creationist Biology and Evangelism 101, a student body whose political views ranged from conservative to arch-conservative, and a 46-page code of conduct - called "The Liberty Way" - that outlawed drinking, smoking, cursing, dancing, R-rated movies, and hugs that last for longer than three seconds.

I knew all those things, which is why I decided to transfer to Liberty from Brown University, one of the nation's most liberal colleges, and write a book (The Unlikely Disciple: A Sinner's Semester at America's Holiest University) about my experience. Before Liberty, I'd never been exposed to conservative Christian culture - my parents are secular Quakers who once worked for Ralph Nader - but during my sophomore year at Brown, I decided to break out of my left-wing enclave and learn about my Christian peers by experiencing their world firsthand. For an entire semester, I took Bible classes, lived in Liberty's single-sex dorms, and sang in Rev. Falwell's church choir, trying to expand my horizons while studying "abroad" in a subculture more foreign to me than Barcelona or Tokyo. A slew of adjectives could describe my Liberty semester - "enlightening," "difficult," and "weird," to name a few - but perhaps the most apt one is "surprising."

Some of the surprises I saw at Liberty were off-putting and worrisome. I remember opening my first Creationist Biology exam to find the question: "True or False: Noah's Ark was large enough to accommodate various species of dinosaurs." (According to my professor, the answer was "True" - since dinosaurs and humans cohabited the earth after the Flood, they would have had to find a way to squeeze onto the Ark. He suggested that they could have been teenage dinosaurs, so as to take up less space.) Also troubling was Liberty's extreme social and political conservatism, which made for classroom lessons like "The Consequences of Immoral Sex" and textbook chapters like "Myths Behind the Homosexual Agenda."

A few surprises were strange but harmless. I'm thinking of my spring break mission trip to Daytona Beach, Florida, where a group of Liberty students and I tried (and mostly failed) to convert drunken coeds to Christianity. Or when I paid a visit to "Every Man's Battle," Liberty's on-campus support group for chronic masturbators. (Insert your own "hands-on research" joke here.)

But many - maybe even most - of the surprises I encountered at Liberty were much more pleasant. For starters, I learned that my stereotypes about evangelical college students - that they were all knuckle-dragging ideologues who spent their free time writing angry letters to the ACLU - were almost entirely wrong. Far from crazy, the friends I made at Liberty were some of the warmest, funniest, most intellectually curious college students I've ever met. After a few weeks of frantic acclimation to life in the dorms (aided by a Christian self-help book, 30 Days to Taming Your Tongue, that helped me kick my cursing habit), I began to fit in on my hall, and I found that Liberty students had a lot of the same day-to-day anxieties as my friends back at Brown. They gossiped about girls, complained about their homework, and worried about their post-graduation plans. Many even doubted their faith.

I was also surprised to learn that Liberty's strict religious discipline can actually be a good thing. I've always assumed that college students and freewheeling social climates went hand-in-hand, but most of the students I met were thankful for Liberty's rules. (Although I did find a few subversive Facebook groups, like one called "I Hug For Three Seconds, Sometimes Four.")

A sociologist named Margarita Mooney has shown that college students who attend regular religious services report being happier, more diligent, and more satisfied with their college experience than students who practice no religion. I still don't consider myself an evangelical Christian, but I can understand now what millions of Christian college students see in faith-based education, and why Liberty's enrollment has grown at a rate that few colleges, secular or religious, have ever matched.

Since the book came out, I've taken some heat from people who have argued that, by going to Liberty with an open mind, I was turning a blind eye to intolerance - or worse, that I'd been brainwashed by my time under Rev. Falwell's tutelage. But no community is all bad, and to dismiss Liberty as a place of wall-to-wall insanity is to reduce it, and the evangelical movement that birthed it, to a lazy caricature.

I still disagree with a lot of the values Liberty stands for, but seeing the human faces on the other side of the American culture wars made me question my own assumptions and realize that, in some ways, I had just as much to learn about tolerance as the most hard-line fundamentalist.

We can all be surprised by our ideological opponents. We just have to give them a chance.
I think Roose is more accommodating than I... Any college that uses texts books with material like, "True or False: Noah's Ark was large enough to accommodate various species of dinosaurs" seems a bit backwards (to say the least). I think I know all I need to know about this "school" just from that alone.
Image
User avatar
Azazal
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1534
Joined: 2005-12-19 02:02pm
Location: Hunting xeno scum

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by Azazal »

More fun on Roose's time at Liberty via Mental Floss

Including:
5 Rules From His Semester at America’s Holiest University
a quiz based on Liberty University’s exams
Image
User avatar
The Duchess of Zeon
Gözde
Posts: 14566
Joined: 2002-09-18 01:06am
Location: Exiled in the Pale of Settlement.

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by The Duchess of Zeon »

One of my best friends whom I'm out to graduated from Liberty University, so I don't dismiss its potential to produce minds capable of rational thought.
The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. -- Wikipedia's No Original Research policy page.

In 1966 the Soviets find something on the dark side of the Moon. In 2104 they come back. -- Red Banner / White Star, a nBSG continuation story. Updated to Chapter 4.0 -- 14 January 2013.
User avatar
FSTargetDrone
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 7878
Joined: 2004-04-10 06:10pm
Location: Drone HQ, Pennsylvania, USA

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by FSTargetDrone »

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:One of my best friends whom I'm out to graduated from Liberty University, so I don't dismiss its potential to produce minds capable of rational thought.
That's fine, but it's difficult for me to take such an institution seriously when it actually mentions Noah's Ark in its texts in any context other than "myths and legends" or some such.
Image
User avatar
Tanasinn
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1765
Joined: 2007-01-21 10:10pm
Location: Void Zone

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by Tanasinn »

The discovery that yes, even would-be cretinist footsoldiers are human is not exactly a discovery for the ages; the Nazi Wehrmacht were human, too. Cue the heartwarming photos of German soldiers playing with a kitten.

Being a human being and showing human emotion doesn't mean the students aren't studying an ideology that varies from pathetic/moronic (belief in Noah's Ark, support groups for masturbation), to openly bigoted and digusting (theist attitudes on homosexuality).

That Liberty University kicked out a democrat student group isn't surprising, considering the university's ideological persuasion.
Truth fears no trial.
User avatar
The Duchess of Zeon
Gözde
Posts: 14566
Joined: 2002-09-18 01:06am
Location: Exiled in the Pale of Settlement.

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by The Duchess of Zeon »

FSTargetDrone wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:One of my best friends whom I'm out to graduated from Liberty University, so I don't dismiss its potential to produce minds capable of rational thought.
That's fine, but it's difficult for me to take such an institution seriously when it actually mentions Noah's Ark in its texts in any context other than "myths and legends" or some such.

I don't see it as really much different from the religious universities of the 18th century which were still capable of producing thoughtful and intelligent men. Is Liberty a far lower option than any secular university? Certainly. Is it absolutely worthless for any kind of science? Certainly. But I do believe it can still produce an educated and tolerant man of letters, if rarely.
The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. -- Wikipedia's No Original Research policy page.

In 1966 the Soviets find something on the dark side of the Moon. In 2104 they come back. -- Red Banner / White Star, a nBSG continuation story. Updated to Chapter 4.0 -- 14 January 2013.
User avatar
General Zod
Never Shuts Up
Posts: 29211
Joined: 2003-11-18 03:08pm
Location: The Clearance Rack
Contact:

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by General Zod »

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: I don't see it as really much different from the religious universities of the 18th century which were still capable of producing thoughtful and intelligent men. Is Liberty a far lower option than any secular university? Certainly. Is it absolutely worthless for any kind of science? Certainly. But I do believe it can still produce an educated and tolerant man of letters, if rarely.
I don't see how comparing it to an 18th century university is a mark in its favor.
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
User avatar
RedImperator
Roosevelt Republican
Posts: 16465
Joined: 2002-07-11 07:59pm
Location: Delaware
Contact:

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by RedImperator »

General Zod wrote:So when can we expect the ACLU to start breathing down their necks?
Um, never? It's a private university.
Image
Any city gets what it admires, will pay for, and, ultimately, deserves…We want and deserve tin-can architecture in a tinhorn culture. And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed.--Ada Louise Huxtable, "Farewell to Penn Station", New York Times editorial, 30 October 1963
X-Ray Blues
User avatar
Simplicius
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2031
Joined: 2006-01-27 06:07pm

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by Simplicius »

I was also surprised to learn that Liberty's strict religious discipline can actually be a good thing. I've always assumed that college students and freewheeling social climates went hand-in-hand, but most of the students I met were thankful for Liberty's rules. (Although I did find a few subversive Facebook groups, like one called "I Hug For Three Seconds, Sometimes Four.")
I enjoyed the up-early, bust-ass, bed-early work ethic I sampled during my visit to the USMA, but that does not mean that military discipline should be transplanted lock, stock, and barrel to civilian universities any more than religious discipline needs to be. Why say that strict religious discipline can be a good thing when it is most likely that all the benefit comes from the discipline, and not the religion?
User avatar
Rogue 9
Scrapping TIEs since 1997
Posts: 18684
Joined: 2003-11-12 01:10pm
Location: Classified
Contact:

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by Rogue 9 »

General Zod wrote:So when can we expect the ACLU to start breathing down their necks?
We can't. It's a private university that makes no guarantee of free speech or academic freedom in its charter, and is therefore under no legal obligation to permit the Democrats or any other group to operate on campus, nor to protect the speech of individuals.

That said, they're still massive douchebags.
It's Rogue, not Rouge!

HAB | KotL | VRWC/ELC/CDA | TRotR | The Anti-Confederate | Sluggite | Gamer | Blogger | Staff Reporter | Student | Musician
User avatar
K. A. Pital
Glamorous Commie
Posts: 20813
Joined: 2003-02-26 11:39am
Location: Elysium

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by K. A. Pital »

To be fair, that's even good. Shows what sort of "University" that "Liberty University" is. Piece of crap.
Lì ci sono chiese, macerie, moschee e questure, lì frontiere, prezzi inaccessibile e freddure
Lì paludi, minacce, cecchini coi fucili, documenti, file notturne e clandestini
Qui incontri, lotte, passi sincronizzati, colori, capannelli non autorizzati,
Uccelli migratori, reti, informazioni, piazze di Tutti i like pazze di passioni...

...La tranquillità è importante ma la libertà è tutto!
Assalti Frontali
User avatar
Col. Crackpot
That Obnoxious Guy
Posts: 10228
Joined: 2002-10-28 05:04pm
Location: Rhode Island
Contact:

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by Col. Crackpot »

After living in the shadow of Brown University for some 30 years, I shudder to think of what would become of any poor fool from Liberty attempting this exorcise.
"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.” -Tom Clancy
User avatar
wautd
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 7596
Joined: 2004-02-11 10:11am
Location: Intensive care

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by wautd »

FSTargetDrone wrote:
Liberty University has expelled
Quickly, someone should warn Ben Stein so he can make another docu
User avatar
Rye
To Mega Therion
Posts: 12493
Joined: 2003-03-08 07:48am
Location: Uighur, please!

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by Rye »

Doublespeak is alive and well in the American private education sector, I see. "You have the Liberty to agree with us and not associate or speak in manners we dislike."
EBC|Fucking Metal|Artist|Androgynous Sexfiend|Gozer Kvltist|
Listen to my music! http://www.soundclick.com/nihilanth
"America is, now, the most powerful and economically prosperous nation in the country." - Master of Ossus
User avatar
Patrick Degan
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 14847
Joined: 2002-07-15 08:06am
Location: Orleanian in exile

Re: Liberty University Expels Campus Democratic Party Club

Post by Patrick Degan »

Rye wrote:Doublespeak is alive and well in the American private education sector, I see. "You have the Liberty to agree with us and not associate or speak in manners we dislike."
Not every private educational institution is like Liberty (re: Notre Dame weathering the shitstorm over letting a pro-abortion rights president speak and receive an honourary diploma). We just see the admins of Falwell U. for the intellectual and moral cowards they are.
When ballots have fairly and constitutionally decided, there can be no successful appeal back to bullets.
—Abraham Lincoln

People pray so that God won't crush them like bugs.
—Dr. Gregory House

Oil an emergency?! It's about time, Brigadier, that the leaders of this planet of yours realised that to remain dependent upon a mineral slime simply doesn't make sense.
—The Doctor "Terror Of The Zygons" (1975)
Post Reply