Ok, just wondering...

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-02-08 08:33pm

What Federation capship vs what Imperial capship would actually put up a decent fight one on one? And by decent I mean the battle could go either way, and it might come to more the individual commander/ship/crew than sheer technology (like some of the ISD vs GCS battles I've seen around).

Sorry if it's been done before, but I must've missed it. I'm just wondering. My thought would be a Carrack vs a Soverign (Fed, not Imp). Your thoughts?

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-02-08 08:37pm

Hmm, I could say Defiant vs. a TIE bomber.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-08 08:38pm

Anything that does not mount MTL is basicly the only thing that puts up a good Fight, For example, Anything Bigger than a Frigit would wipe the Floor with any SF ship in a 1 on 1 Battle

Best Ship to use is the only "True" combat Vessel Aside from the Defiant and thats the Akira Class with all those Torp Launchers(Which it can salvo pretty quickly, giving it just shy of a Gigaton a second)

The Blockade Runner as seen in ANH would be an excellent choice for a "even" battle with the Akira due to most of its weaponry being spriped out, Only some LTL's and Point Defense means its basicly weaker than the E-D though it has alot more staying power(Close to fifty Gigatons of it by some estmates though I not sure on the exact number as I've never personaly calced their shield strength)

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-02-08 08:39pm

I'm thinking a Corellian corvette vs. a Galaxy class, a Nebulon-B vs. a Bird of Prey, or a Victory Star Destroyer vs. a Borg sphere.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-08 08:39pm

Hmm, I could say Defiant vs. a TIE bomber.

If the TIE is Carrying Gigaton Anti-Cap missles then the Defiant goes down hard

Regular Proto-Torps and its the E-D without shields and looses

Corvette is the best choice for this fight and even it must be the MTL-less frieghter kind

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-02-08 08:41pm

jaeger115 wrote:Hmm, I could say Defiant vs. a TIE bomber.

I said capship, not fighters. I know an unshielded fighter is pretty much gonna get wiped by just about any capship, one on one (unless the entire crew is sleeping or something). Besides, that's nowhere near as fun as a capship battle.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-08 08:42pm

Like Bean said It has to be basically a *stripped* Corellian Corvette...and still may have plenty of staying power to outlast it's opponent.

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-02-08 08:44pm

RogueIce wrote:
jaeger115 wrote:Hmm, I could say Defiant vs. a TIE bomber.
I said capship, not fighters. I know an unshielded fighter is pretty much gonna get wiped by just about any capship, one on one (unless the entire crew is sleeping or something). Besides, that's nowhere near as fun as a capship battle.

Not neccesarily, turbolasers have a hard time hitting fighters, as seen in the Battle of Yavin.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-08 08:45pm

Ben Ingram wrote:
RogueIce wrote:
jaeger115 wrote:Hmm, I could say Defiant vs. a TIE bomber.
I said capship, not fighters. I know an unshielded fighter is pretty much gonna get wiped by just about any capship, one on one (unless the entire crew is sleeping or something). Besides, that's nowhere near as fun as a capship battle.
Not neccesarily, turbolasers have a hard time hitting fighters, as seen in the Battle of Yavin.

They have a tough time hitting a 12 meter long, maneuvering, fast target.

The Defiant is 100 meters long (at least), and comparatively slow and lumbering. There is a difference between the two, dumbass.

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-02-08 08:47pm

I was refering to the Defiant hitting the TIE Bomber, dumbass!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-08 08:48pm

Ben Ingram wrote:I was refering to the Defiant hitting the TIE Bomber, dumbass!

Then your point is twice as irrelevent. A TIE bomber doesn't have the firepower to knock out a shielded capital ship.

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-02-08 08:49pm

Once again, I was only saying the Defiant would have a hard time hitting a TIE bomber; I was NOT saying the bomber could take down a Defiant.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-08 08:52pm

Ben Ingram wrote:Once again, I was only saying the Defiant would have a hard time hitting a TIE bomber; I was NOT saying the bomber could take down a Defiant.

WTF are you talking about? A TIE bomber doesn't have the firepower to knock down a SW capital ship. It DOES have the firepower, with its missiles, to destroy the Defiant. The question then becomes which side can get off the first accurate shot.

Now, your claims that TURBOLASERS have difficulty targetting a starfighter, while accurate, are also red-herrings. The thread isn't about that. If you were talking about a TL firing on the Defiant, then your post is worthless because the TL would hit the Defiant easily. If you are talking about the TIE bomber being able to evade ST weapons fire because TL's can't target it, your post is similarly worthless.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-02-08 08:52pm

Um, to the best of my knowledge, the Defiant doesn't have turbolasers, so it was really pointless.

And it's really pointless, since I asked only for capship vs capship in the first place. I already pointed it out once, and this was before you made your little post!

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-02-08 08:53pm

That's even worse, since phasers are twice as unwieldy as turbolasers.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-08 08:53pm

RogueIce wrote:Um, to the best of my knowledge, the Defiant doesn't have turbolasers, so it was really pointless.

And it's really pointless, since I asked only for capship vs capship in the first place. I already pointed it out once, and this was before you made your little post!

A bulk freighter vs. an Akira. Seriously.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-02-08 08:53pm

Master of Ossus wrote: Now, your claims that TURBOLASERS have difficulty targetting a starfighter, while accurate, are also red-herrings. The thread isn't about that. If you were talking about a TL firing on the Defiant, then your post is worthless because the TL would hit the Defiant easily. If you are talking about the TIE bomber being able to evade ST weapons fire because TL's can't target it, your post is similarly worthless.

Said far better than I did, Mr Ossus. My post was just a tad late.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-08 08:54pm

RogueIce wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote: Now, your claims that TURBOLASERS have difficulty targetting a starfighter, while accurate, are also red-herrings. The thread isn't about that. If you were talking about a TL firing on the Defiant, then your post is worthless because the TL would hit the Defiant easily. If you are talking about the TIE bomber being able to evade ST weapons fire because TL's can't target it, your post is similarly worthless.
Said far better than I did, Mr Ossus. My post was just a tad late.

Don't worry about it.

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-02-08 09:01pm

Forget the TIE bomber. Let's see... Defient vs. Carrack.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-08 09:02pm

jaeger115 wrote:Forget the TIE bomber. Let's see... Defient vs. Carrack.

Let's see: Carrack Cruiser--200 GT weapons.

Defiant--a few kilotons at best.

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-02-08 09:03pm

I actually think the Defiant takes that one. Carracks were designed with fighters specifically as their targets after a group of fighters destroyed DS1, and it doesn't have the firepower to stop a capship; it also has weak shielding.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-08 09:06pm

Carracks mount 10 HTLs, so while it might be similar to the strongest Trek ships in defenses, in firepower it's not.

I'd say an Imperial Diplomatic Cruiser (the Tantive 4, like bean said) would be best in terms of firepower ro match the top Fed ships. But if we are talking the average feddie ship like and Excellisor or a Miranda, a Siener Patrol ship would be an even match.

And just ignore Ben.

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-02-08 09:06pm

Oh, yes, Ossus, before you begin blabbering, I got it from the Guide to vehicles and vessels, an official source.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-08 09:07pm

Ben Ingram wrote:I actually think the Defiant takes that one. Carracks were designed with fighters specifically as their targets after a group of fighters destroyed DS1, and it doesn't have the firepower to stop a capship; it also has weak shielding.

Bullshit.

1. Carrack Cruisers only carry 3 TIE fighters in external racks. They are NOT a major constituent of the Carrack's weaponry.

2. Starfighters destroyed DS1 due to a design flaw. Against the UFP, the starfighters would be destroying capital ships without requiring such errors. Their firepower would simply overwhelm the UFP's shields. Look at the nearly 200 MT weapons in SW, and compare those to the E-E's ramming of the Scimitar in "Nemesis," which was an event involving the energy of just 15 KILOTONS.

3. The Carrack Cruiser has 200 GT weapons. It has shielding that CAN stand up to capital ship weapons fire in SW, and the UFP has nothing even approaching the weapons power demonstrated in SW. The Cruiser wins EASILY.

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-02-08 09:09pm

Actually, no. The Guide shows that the Carracks have severe shielding flaws in critical areas, which is why they weren't mass-produced.