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How does this prove that its weapons would be ineffective against a Federation capship? Remember the ease with which Slave-1 could pulverize asteroids in AOTC before you dismiss starfighter firepower.Ben Ingram wrote:Ossus, you idiot, the Carracks were built to fight FIGHTERS, not capships. It's in the Guide.
Wrong fool. The NJO Empire has a damn Executor in service along with hundreds of ISD's.Ben Ingram wrote:Yes, it does.
The Empire of NJO has fallen into such financial crisis that it takes a major portion of their coffers just to maintain a couple of Victory's, and they have serious manpower shortages.
Absolute Bullshit. Carracks and Lancers were from different companies, so the design team claim is wrong, Carracks are a fast as X wings which out run lancers, so that is wrong, and the Carrack is clearly stated to have Heavy TLs, so that is wrong, and you have it's mission profile confused with the Lancer, so that is wrong.Ben Ingram wrote:A. Lancers and Carracks- same design team, same purpose. Lancers are slightly less armed, but faster. Carracks do have LT's to fend off small capships, but Imperial doctrine calls for their deployment to fend off starfighters.
Assuming that there is no distinction between the power and size (which I argue against, but will drop here), a Carrack could throw out 10000120 MT per volley, and Dreadnaught 28000000 MT (assuming 1 TT HTLs, 200 GT MTLs, 6 MT LCs). Inother words, a Heavy Cruiser is only 2.7 times stronger then a Light cruiser. Not far off what you would realistically expect. So you are wrong in every detail here.B. There iss no way in hell a Carrack is a third as powerful as a standard Old Republic dreadnaught, who, untill VSD's rolled around, were the standard of Republican fleets.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. According to the EGVV, a Carrack cruiser is an older design that has been with the Empire since the early days. A lancer-frigate is a new design built to combat starfighters. A Carrack is faster (being of "the speed of an X-Wing fighter"), whereas the Lancer is "slow at sublight speeds." The Carrack is designed as being "fast." The Carrack is NOT built for starfighter defense, but must be outfitted with another weapons load-out to become "an excellent antistarfighter cruiser."Ben Ingram wrote:A. Lancers and Carracks- same design team, same purpose. Lancers are slightly less armed, but faster. Carracks do have LT's to fend off small capships, but Imperial doctrine calls for their deployment to fend off starfighters.
Bullshit. The Carrack has enough firepower to "engage most Rebel capital starships." The Dreadnaught has is armed with "ten turbolaser cannons, twenty quad turbolaser cannons, and ten turbolaser batteries." The Carrack has "Ten heavy turbolasers, twenty ion cannons, and five tractor beam projectors." That sounds like a pretty even fight to me.B. There iss no way in hell a Carrack is a third as powerful as a standard Old Republic dreadnaught, who, untill VSD's rolled around, were the standard of Republican fleets.
You're missing the point, which is that Fett's asteroid-busting capabilities indicate sufficient firepower to breach a Fed capship's shields. And a Fed capship's shields are simply no match at all for his missiles.Ben Ingram wrote:Yes, Master Wong, but Fed ships have shields. Those asteroids didn't.
... Have you even read any of the EU dealing with the Remnant? They had 200 ISDs and an unknown number of lesser ships at the time of the Treaty, so your VSD thing is wrong. Then, 10 years after the surrender, they have an SSD and enough ISDs to make a huge difference (and when you consider that fleet battles in the NJO involve hundreds or a few times even thousands of ships, think about how huge their ofensive Navy must be)Ben Ingram wrote:Yes, it does.
The Empire of NJO has fallen into such financial crisis that it takes a major portion of their coffers just to maintain a couple of Victory's, and they have serious manpower shortages.
Yes. They have one. It's Pelleon's flagship.Ben Ingram wrote:What "Executor"?
{Super-class Star Destroyer}
Doesn't matter. The shields of a UFP ship are insufficient for stopping firepower at that magnitude. Those weapons were hundreds of megatons at LEAST. According to "Nemesis," UFP shielding is in the kiloton range.Ben Ingram wrote:Yes, Master Wong, but Fed ships have shields. Those asteroids didn't.
Read Desitney's Way. Pelleon Commands an SSD. One that was either destroyed at Bastion or was defending another world in Remnant.Ben Ingram wrote:What "Executor"?
{Super-class Star Destroyer}
First of all, where does it say we're talking about the NJO as opposed to the OT? We're talking about capital ships, and it doesn't matter what era we draw them from. Secondly, who gives a flying fuck? The Carrack Cruisers of the NJO are going to be the same as ones from the OT. They will be a bit more run down, but they may also benefit from modernization campaigns.Ben Ingram wrote:And we're talking about the Empire of NJO, not of OT.
Yes they have. Haven't you read Dark Tide: II?Ben Ingram wrote:A. The Empire hasn't engaged the Vong for some unknown reason; that was the Chiss.
Ben, you fucking dumbass. Pelleon named his SSD in HONOR of his ISD.B. Noooooo, the Chimarea is a ISD, not a SSD
Bullshit, it was the Remnant at Ithor with a Chiss Squadron, and Basion is an Imperial World. The Empire is now trhowing down against the Vong, and the Chiss still aren't involved outside 2 squadrons and a science team (though that may change in further books)Ben Ingram wrote:A. The Empire hasn't engaged the Vong for some unknown reason; that was the Chiss.
No Fuck Holmes, this was a differnet ship. He transfered his flag for the meeting to try and impress the Solos. And it worked.B. Noooooo, the Chimarea is a ISD, not a SSD
No, different ships. Chimera is still an ISD. Don;'t know where the SSD was at Bastion. Might have been destroyed, or was guarding a seperate world (since it takes several ships to guard a world or one SSD, that would make some sense)Master of Ossus wrote:Yes they have. Haven't you read Dark Tide: II?Ben Ingram wrote:A. The Empire hasn't engaged the Vong for some unknown reason; that was the Chiss.
Ben, you fucking dumbass. Pelleon named his SSD in HONOR of his ISD.B. Noooooo, the Chimarea is a ISD, not a SSD
You may as well conceed the rest of the debate, you dumbass, seeing as how you have been proven wrong on every single front.Ben Ingram wrote:A. No, I haven't.
B. Nobody told me.
But, I'll concede this point. It's grown tiresome, anyway.
So, you are talking about somethign you know nothing about, and arguing that the people who have read it are wrong? Someone VI this fucktard.Ben Ingram wrote:A. No, I haven't.
B. Nobody told me.
But, I'll concede this point. It's grown tiresome, anyway.
That's what I said. I said that Pelleon NAMED his [new] SSD in HONOR of his [old] ISD.Ender wrote:No, different ships. Chimera is still an ISD. Don;'t know where the SSD was at Bastion. Might have been destroyed, or was guarding a seperate world (since it takes several ships to guard a world or one SSD, that would make some sense)Master of Ossus wrote:Yes they have. Haven't you read Dark Tide: II?Ben Ingram wrote:A. The Empire hasn't engaged the Vong for some unknown reason; that was the Chiss.
Ben, you fucking dumbass. Pelleon named his SSD in HONOR of his ISD.B. Noooooo, the Chimarea is a ISD, not a SSD
I think so. Didn't he re-name something after his original command?Ender wrote:Arew you saying they have 2 ships named Chimera? The name of the SSD was never given, and in Remnant, he is on an ISD named Chimera.
