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It seems like Bounty is working really hard to make the All-Spark seem like bad writing. Yes, it's a MacGuffin, but that does not in itself make it bad writing.
As a McGuffin, I have no problem with the Allspark. My issue with it is that the movie did a very poor job of communicating what the use of the Allspark was for either faction, what the Autobots intended to do with it (for much of the finale, the Autobots go through great lengths to protect it, which makes their decision to destroy it, while understandable, pretty sudden), or what the exact properties of the Allspark are insofar as they are relevant to the plot.

The whole point of a McGuffin is that you have an item of great importance without putting any sort of backstory into, but that only works when you at least make it clear how that McGuffin relates to the protagonists. Transformers did a really poor job of making that clear in my opinion. You can piece it together, but when watching the movie it really feels as if the writers were making it up as they went along just so they could get their set-pieces in.
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I thought they made it pretty clear what the Allspark did. A bunch of humans who had absolutely no idea how any of it worked could use it to turn Nokias into crazy machine-gunning robots. People (or robots) who knew what they were doing could use it to make really useful robots. I mean, the powers of the Allspark weren't very well defined, but it seemed pretty clear to me that it was pretty much the only way the robots could reproduce - kinda like Smurfette, except less blue. Ergo, the Autobots wanted to keep it for themselves to make more Autobots, but they were willing to destroy it so that the Decepticons couldn't go around making more Decepticons.
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Could I get something confirmed by people who know the plot of the movie?
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An inconsiderate comment on another webiste suggests that Sam and other humans guard bits of the Allspark. I'd just like a yes-no answer to that. Thanks.

Sounds really stupid.... grumble....
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ray245 wrote:Yup, that is what I am trying to say. Thanks.
Okay, in that case, I think the term you're looking for would be "convoluted".


Also Bounty, the definition of a MacGuffin is simply "an object which drives the plot"; how much or how little of a backstory it has doesn't matter.
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Why insist on Sam killing Prime with the Allspark when Megatron is *right there*?
Because he's Optimus Prime. They do love to sacrifice themselves, don't they? :mrgreen:
Or because they couldn't have anticipated that Megatron would lean his slightly damaged chest so low that a puny fleshling would be able to lift the All-Spark close enough to his chest cavity.
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Zablorg wrote:Could I get something confirmed by people who know the plot of the movie?
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An inconsiderate comment on another webiste suggests that Sam and other humans guard bits of the Allspark. I'd just like a yes-no answer to that. Thanks.

Sounds really stupid.... grumble....
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Because lifting a plot point straight from a Generation One story automatically makes this movie horrible? Last time I checked Sam managed to get the Creation Matrix stuck inside his head in the original comics, and it had the power to create robot life, so I's pretty obvious they used that story as one of the blueprints for the movie plot. Being true to the originals is apparently a sin these days...grumble...grumble...
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I don't think you and I are on the same page here.
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I just think the idea that Sam is keeping an Allspark fragment around in his schoolbag as implied sounds like a really stupid way to keep it safe.
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but it impresses the girls!

oh wait, he already has a girl friend, maybe he can turn something of her's into an autobot?
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Zablorg wrote:I don't think you and I are on the same page here.
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I just think the idea that Sam is keeping an Allspark fragment around in his schoolbag as implied sounds like a really stupid way to keep it safe.
Well if you remember in the trailer, he ends up finding a piece of it in his clothes. Maybe that's the one.
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SAMAS wrote:
Zablorg wrote:I don't think you and I are on the same page here.
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I just think the idea that Sam is keeping an Allspark fragment around in his schoolbag as implied sounds like a really stupid way to keep it safe.
Well if you remember in the trailer, he ends up finding a piece of it in his clothes. Maybe that's the one.
If you watch closely you'll notice it's supposedly the shirt he wore when he "killed" megs in the first bayformers movie, it's not like he is "guarding" it or anything like that, it's basically just a piece of shrapnel. Well superpowered-magical-robotic-energy-imbued piece of shrapnel. But still, basically shrapnel that got tangled up in his clothes or something.

Now why the fuck he managed to not notice this for two years, that's a whole nother story :roll:
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The government confiscated all his clothes for testing but due to a paperwork error they got forgotten in a box for two years and eventually shipped back to him.
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does that mean he's also got the lost ark of the covenant too?
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That ark was filed under "bling" and got sent to Mojo.
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The world premiere was on at Tokyo the other night, some general impressions were given, but all I'll say is this - The Fallen is voiced by Tony "I don't listen to soft-ass shit!" Fucking Todd.

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Tony Todd, the Candyman?

I was hoping the Leonard Nemoy deal would go through.

Not that Todd's a bad choice, just that Nemoy would have been cool.
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Some guy from the Don Murphy forums posted some spoilers for the movie according to a ROTF blog, but the link is dead now, apparently.

http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/20 ... video.html
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Ok guys just got back! Don't have much time to post, don't wanna miss the train but here's some quick stuff.

Movie was incredible, I liked it much more than the first! More action, more robots, less humans! Though there are some lame sexual inuendos like Wheelie humping Megan's leg.

Anyway, Bay and the actors came right into the theater and introduced the film. I was tempted to scream "Don Murphy Stooges #1" but I didn't want to get led out by security!

The VA thing in the credits was way too fast, sorry guys. The Fallen was Todd something. Welker does voice Soundwave, and Devastator too. Devastator has one line, screaming his name. Soundwave only has a few lines but he speaks English. But he never comes down to earth and never turns into a robot. Bleah. Very little screen time, but at least he doesn't get exploded which leaves things open for the third movie.

Mostly English, not much cybertronian.

The Twins were lame. As in the "bust a cap in you ass" stereotype. I could've done without them.

Jetfire was comic relief. He has a British accent and reminded me of a Monty Python character. He doesn't "combine" with Prime in the normal sense, he gets fatally wounded and rips out his spark, killing himself so Prime can use his parts.

Wheelie is nothing like G1 Wheelie. He kinda reminds me of Rattrap.

Lots of kitchen bots. One was a Samurai too. Bludgeon?

Only named Constructicon is Rampage, and he is red.

Megatron is revived by some Constructicons and "The Doctor."

Sideways never transforms, he is cut in half by Sideswipe in the first battle scene in car mode. Sideswipe is cool. Ravage is cool too.

There was a bot that looked like Blackout but he was not named. Blackout himself was never revived so I can't say it was him. He did not speak and was not named in the credits. In fact in the last battle scene there were tons of, well, "repaints," basically reused animation. So even after Devastator forms, there are still constructicons running around. And some Protoforms. I even saw a truck that looked like Bonecrusher...though I never saw him in robot mode. Scorponok is in the final battle too and is killed by Jetfire in about 2 seconds.

There are three motorcycles, but they appear to be named collectively Arcee. Not much screen time/lines for them anyway.

The term "Matrix of Leadership" is used, it's a key that operates a device to draw energy from the sun.
This is all rather dissapointing.
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How so? The guy said the movie was awesome. I can't imagine how much of that is disappointing, the only thing I have a problem with is Spoiler
Soundwave doesn't come down to Earth, but that just allows him to show up more in Transformers 3.
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Yeah, that and I'm worried Jetfire and the Twins especially will be depressing to watch.
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As long as Unicron is in Transformers 3, everything is all right with this world. Because the amount of sheer destruction present in TF2 is excusing any lame characters it might have. The movie is basically robot battle porn, and sure as hell I'm not going to see it "for the character X's correct representation". The more fleshed-out Bayformers characters like Prime and Megatron clearly should remain true to their "good" and "evil" poles as they were introduced in the First Movie, the rough canvas should be at least somewhat logical (hopefully more logical than Terminator 4), and everything else simply doesn't matter.

I don't have fond childhood memories of Jetfire, and I couldn't care less if Soundwave is awesome or crap. Just make these robots destroy shit in an non-trivial fashion.
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Not thrilled by some of the spoilers, but they are all hardcore geeky stuff. I figured from the beginning that four-five fully developed Decepticons with a lot of screen time each was basically not happening. And if you are going to have an epic battle scene you need mooks! The more important "what makes the movie good or bad" stuff was largely ignored in those spoilers, which is, you know, the important thing.
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How developed were the destructicons really? I can't remember much from them but 'Form Devastator! DEVASTATOR SMASH!"
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:but it impresses the girls!

oh wait, he already has a girl friend, maybe he can turn something of her's into an autobot?
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SylasGaunt wrote:How developed were the destructicons really? I can't remember much from them but 'Form Devastator! DEVASTATOR SMASH!"
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The Constructicons had several episodes to themselves, they were pretty detailed characters in their own right in GenOne.

And Devestator did say lines, though because he was suppossedly technically stupid, the lines were simple "No one can stop the Devestator" "Devestator crush Autobots" etc etc. He had a pretty one track mind.
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The Constructicons were actually crazy-brilliant in G1, they once built a populated human city into a transforming giant robot in a single night. And none of the inhabitants noticed until the city transformed into a mountain-sized dinosaur the following day. :lol:

Supposedly Devastator is stupid because he can only do what all of the component robots agree on 100%, which is limited to "kill Autobots" and "smash what Megatron says."
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