Ok, just wondering...

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-08 10:13pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Ender wrote:Arew you saying they have 2 ships named Chimera? The name of the SSD was never given, and in Remnant, he is on an ISD named Chimera.
I think so. Didn't he re-name something after his original command?

I think you are confusing Pelleon with Zsinj. Zsinj renamed Brawl Iron Fist after his first command, a VSD named Irong Fist. The name of the SSD was never given, and Remnant identifies the Chimera as an ISD

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2003-02-08 10:22pm

Ben Ingram wrote:I'm thinking a Corellian corvette vs. a Galaxy class, a Nebulon-B vs. a Bird of Prey, or a Victory Star Destroyer vs. a Borg sphere.

If a Soverign or an Intrepid can take out a Borg Sphere then Slave I can take it out not a fucking VSD dumb ass.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-02-09 12:30am

How did my little post turn into this? Granted, Ben was being an idiot, but still...

Oh well, to try and get back on topic:

Federation, and Federation ONLY Capital Ship (NOT fighter) vs Imperial Capital Ship (NOT Fighter) in a one on one battle, that would be halfway decent.

I find the flaming of an idiot like Ben as amusing as the next guy, but that just wasn't the topic of this thread.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-09 12:36am

RogueIce wrote:Federation, and Federation ONLY Capital Ship (NOT fighter) vs Imperial Capital Ship (NOT Fighter) in a one on one battle, that would be halfway decent.

You are assuming that this matchup is possible. If a patrol craft like Slave-1 carries enough firepower to exceed the total ordnance of the E-D by an order of magnitude, why should we think that ANY Federation capship could handle ANY Imperial capship in one on one battle?

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-02-09 12:49am

The weakest capital ship I can think of from SW is the Lancer frigate, which is intented strictly as an anti-fighter platform and carries 20 quad laser cannons for it's armament. Given that it carries some of the most sophisticated targeting sensors in the Imperial fleet to accomplish its mission of fighter and torpedo defense, I can't see it having a problem hitting anything from shuttlecraft size up. Maybe an Akira could take one out.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-02-09 01:02am

Darth Wong wrote:You are assuming that this matchup is possible. If a patrol craft like Slave-1 carries enough firepower to exceed the total ordnance of the E-D by an order of magnitude, why should we think that ANY Federation capship could handle ANY Imperial capship in one on one battle?

Um, hopeless optimism? So, basically, it ain't gonna happen? I think I asked if it was possible way back in the start of this. Not sure though...a lot's happened since then.

Ok, so I guess I'll allow Imp fighters, if capital ships are an overmatch. Shielded fighters, though, so there's at least the chance of more than one hit being survivable.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-09 01:07am

To "Beyond Hope": I think we need to put this in perspective. Amidala's personal yacht in AOTC (the small one, not the big four-engined diplomatic one) has a steady-state shield energy dissipation rating of 2E18W (more than 400 megatons per second). We've seen fighter weapons in the range of hundreds of megatons and some which range into the gigatons. And yet, no fighter can score a one-hit one-kill strike on a capital ship. So how would ANY Fed capship handle ANY Imp capship, even a Carrack?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-09 01:09am

RogueIce wrote:Ok, so I guess I'll allow Imp fighters, if capital ships are an overmatch. Shielded fighters, though, so there's at least the chance of more than one hit being survivable.

I think a typical gunship could be a pretty good match.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-02-09 01:11am

Typical gunship? SW or ST? The Correllian one I've read about or a different one? Sorry, not that up on the various ships.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-09 01:28am

RogueIce wrote:Typical gunship? SW or ST? The Correllian one I've read about or a different one? Sorry, not that up on the various ships.

The craft you allude to is the "Correllian Gunship," which fulfills the role of a schooner or a very small frigate. Darth Wong, I think, was actually refering to things like B-Wings, but I don't even think that would be a particularly even fight.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-09 01:31am

Actually, there are Imperial gunships in the official literature which look like souped-up Lambda shuttles.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-09 01:32am

Darth Wong wrote:Actually, there are Imperial gunships in the official literature which look like souped-up Lambda shuttles.

Ah, yes, the "Assault Gunboats." Those are pretty crappy. They might do well for an even fight.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-02-09 01:33am

Oh, the Assault Gunboat from TIE Fighter and it's follow ons? Yeah, ok, I know about that one.

Yes, it's been mentioned elsewhere in the literature, I know I've seen it, but that's where I got the image.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-02-09 01:34am

Master of Ossus wrote: Ah, yes, the "Assault Gunboats." Those are pretty crappy. They might do well for an even fight.

Curse you, Ossus, this is the second time you beat me to a reply.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-09 01:39am

RogueIce wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote: Ah, yes, the "Assault Gunboats." Those are pretty crappy. They might do well for an even fight.
Curse you, Ossus, this is the second time you beat me to a reply.

God bless the T-3's here at work.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-02-09 01:43am

Can I just save myself the trouble and just quote you? j/k

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-02-09 01:44am

Darth Wong wrote:To "Beyond Hope": I think we need to put this in perspective. Amidala's personal yacht in AOTC (the small one, not the big four-engined diplomatic one) has a steady-state shield energy dissipation rating of 2E18W (more than 400 megatons per second). We've seen fighter weapons in the range of hundreds of megatons and some which range into the gigatons. And yet, no fighter can score a one-hit one-kill strike on a capital ship. So how would ANY Fed capship handle ANY Imp capship, even a Carrack?

I was working from Bean's estimate of an Akira being able to put out 1 gigaton in a second: I picked the Lancer-class Frigate (not the Carrack light cruiser) specifically because it's one of the smallest capital ships in the Imperial Fleet (at 250 meters) that does not mount turbolasers, only quad laser cannons similar to the ones on the Millenium Falcon. The WEG roleplaying game stats for the ship put it's shields just slightly higher in power than a Corellian Corvette. If we're crediting SF weapons as being potentially able to damage a Corellian Corvette, the Frigate's shields are right in the same league, and it mounts only point-defense weapons rather than the 6 double turbolasers of the Corvette.

I chose the Lancer specifically because it illustrates the absurdity of this matchup. Against an anti-starfighter screening platform regarded as an expensive mistake by the Imperial navy, the Feds would still be hard-pressed to win one-on-one.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-09 01:45am

What about Imperial Star Galleons and Assault Transports? Or maybe An escort carrier sans TIEs

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-02-09 02:23am

The Star Galleon has 10 turbolasers and a hull strength on a par with the Carrack. The Assault Shuttle from the Imperial Sourcebook actually has shielding and weapons power which is rated at Capital scale, since it's mission is to grapple onto enemy capital ships and breach their hull so the 40 spacetroopers inside can board. It should be in the same range as a Skipray Blastboat, which has the same sort of overpowered weapons and shields for a ship of its size. The Escort Carrier only has 10 double laser cannons for weaponry, but a stronger hull.

Post by **AdmiralKanos** » 2003-02-09 02:37am

beyond hope wrote:I was working from Bean's estimate of an Akira being able to put out 1 gigaton in a second

I don't remember that; it seems rather generous.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-02-09 02:40am

It's from the first page of the thread: probably using the 64 megaton number for photons and 128 megatons for quantums.