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English contains more words than any other language on the planet and will add its millionth word early Wednesday, according to the Global Language Monitor, a Web site that uses a math formula to estimate how often words are created.

The site estimates the millionth word will be added Wednesday at 5:22 a.m. Its live ticker counted 999,985 English words as of early Tuesday evening.

The "Million Word March," however, has made the man who runs this word-counting project somewhat of a pariah in the linguistic community. Some linguists say it's impossible to count the number of words in a language because languages are always changing, and because defining what counts as a word is a fruitless endeavor.

Paul J.J. Payack, president and chief word analyst for the Global Language Monitor, says, however, that the million-word estimation isn't as important as the idea behind his project, which is to show that English has become a complex, global language.

"It's a people's language," he said.

Other languages, like French, Payack said, put big walls around their vocabularies. English brings others in.

"English has the tradition of swallowing new words whole," he said. "Other languages translate."

The Internet, global commerce and global travel have accelerated the trend by putting English in contact with many other linguistic groups. This has made English more rich and more complex -- hence all of the new terms, he said.

Still, Payack says he doesn't include all new words in his count. Words must make sense in at least 60 percent of the world to be official, he said. And they must make sense to different communities of people. A new technology term that's only understood in Silicon Valley wouldn't count as a mainstream word, he said.

His computer models check a total of 5,000 Web sites, dictionaries, scholarly publications and news articles to see how frequently words are used, he said. A word must make 25,000 appearances to be deemed legitimate.

Payack said news events have also fueled the rapid expansion of English, which he said has more words than any other language. Mandarin Chinese comes in second with about 450,000 words, he said.

English terms like "Obamamania," "defriend," "wardrobe malfunction," "zombie banks," "shovel ready" and "recessionista" all have grown out of recent news cycles about the presidential election, economic crash, online networking or a sports event, he said. Other languages might not have developed new terms to deal with such phenomena, he said.

Language experts who spoke with CNN said they disapprove of Payack's count, but they agree that English generally has more words than most, if not all, languages.

"This is stuff that you just can't count," said Jesse Sheidlower, editor at large of the Oxford English Dictionary. "No one can count it, and to pretend that you can is totally disingenuous. It simply can't be done."

The Oxford English Dictionary has about 600,000 entries, Sheidlower said. But that by no means includes all words, he said.

For example, Sheidlower said "great-great-great-great-great grandfather" could be considered a word, but wouldn't be in the dictionary. There's a similar problem with numbers, which may be counted up by their pieces -- "twenty" and "three" -- but not always as a group, as in "two-hundred twenty-three."

Part of what makes determining the number of words in a language so difficult is that there are so many root words and their variants, said Sarah Thomason, president of the Linguistic Society of America and a linguistics professor at the University of Michigan.

In the language of people who are native to Alaska, she said, there are dozens of words for snow, but many of them are linked together and wouldn't be counted individually. Does that mean, she asked, that "slush," "powder" and other snow words in English should be counted as one entry?

Thomason called the million-word count a "sexy idea" that is "all hype and no substance."

Linguists and lexicographers run into further complications when trying to count words that are spelled one way but can have several meanings, said Allan Metcalf, an English professor at MacMurray College in Illinois, and an officer at the American Dialect Society.

"The word bear, b-e-a-r -- is that two words or one, for example? You have a noun that's a wild creature and then you have b-e-a-r, [which means] to bear left or to bear right, and there's many other things," he said. "So you really can't be exact about a millionth word."

Payack said he doesn't consider his to be the definitive count, just an interesting estimation based on set criteria he has helped develop.
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"It's always an estimation," he said. "It's like the height of Mount Everest is an estimation. The height of Mount Everest has changed five times in my lifetime because as we get better tools, the estimates get better."

He said the count is meant to be a celebration of English as a global language. And, while he says other languages are being stamped out by English's expansion, it's a powerful thing that so many people today are able to communicate with such a vast list of words.
Even besides the objections raised by the linguists quoted in the article, this seems utterly meaningless to me. How did he come up with his formula? How exactly does it come to the conclusion that at PRECISELY 5:22am there will spontaneously be a new word in the English language? The only criteria mentioned are rather vague, and it doesn't explain how he actually determines a word "meets" those criteria. For example, looking at the website for the Global Language Monitor, the "finalists" for the English millionth word (whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean ...) are "alcopops" (?!), "bangster" (?!), "de-friend", "n00b" (no comment), "quendy-trendy" (?!), "slumdog" (there are about a dozen reasons this is stupid), and "wonderstar" (once again ... ?!).

Sounds like an utter load of bullcrap to me, but the article has some interesting bits, so I decided to post it.
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I'm not sure that the abundance of English words is something to brag about. Given how most languages seem to get by just fine on 1/2 or 1/3 that number you have to wonder if, in fact, we have a surplus. In some cases we've retained two words that mean the same thing - cease:desist, pail:bucket, sofa:couch, soda:pop, purple:violet. Um... why? (in some cases we actually know why, other times we don't).

It's a little like Chinese bragging about how many ideograms it has. Yes, it's amazing, but is it really the best way to do this writing thing?

It's not like anyone is going to ever use a significant fraction of those. Isn't a 50,000 word vocabulary considered large? Has anyone even had 100,000 words at thier command?
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I would conjecture that the adulteration of the sum of English vocabularies perceptibly helps the recollection and improvisation of those who use it eloquently.

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Broomstick wrote:I'm not sure that the abundance of English words is something to brag about. Given how most languages seem to get by just fine on 1/2 or 1/3 that number you have to wonder if, in fact, we have a surplus. In some cases we've retained two words that mean the same thing - cease:desist, pail:bucket, sofa:couch, soda:pop, purple:violet. Um... why? (in some cases we actually know why, other times we don't).

It's a little like Chinese bragging about how many ideograms it has. Yes, it's amazing, but is it really the best way to do this writing thing?

It's not like anyone is going to ever use a significant fraction of those. Isn't a 50,000 word vocabulary considered large? Has anyone even had 100,000 words at thier command?

Linguists prefer to count vocabulary ability in terms of word families, which are clusters of words related in meaning and composition, since if you learn one you can quickly learn and recall the rest with little additional difficulty. The English language contains 50,000 - 60,000 word families and an extremely highly educated person, on average, knows 25,000 word families; typically people who have never attended college only know 5,000 - 10,000 word families and those who have attended college usually manage around 20,000. This means that even the very most intelligent people only know about 42 - 50% of the word families in the English language. What's considered the very upper end of human vocabulary capacity is about 30,000 word families. Needless to say this means that a lot of people out there literally know a tiny fraction of the words that a highly educated person does, and literally cannot understand substantial amounts of our speech.
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In any case, this is sure to piss off the French no end. 8)
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Broomstick wrote:It's not like anyone is going to ever use a significant fraction of those. Isn't a 50,000 word vocabulary considered large? Has anyone even had 100,000 words at thier command?
I can't seem to find a good source (my Google-fu is weak), but if I recall correctly, the average person's vocabulary is around 10,000 words (though it varies greatly from native tongue to native tongue, it is generally within a given spread from 10,000, though I don't know the distribution). I think I read somewhere once that the average college graduate's vocabulary is almost twice that of someone of comparable age who only graduated from high school. However, you don't need nearly that many to function, or even read/write. When people learn English as a second language, only 2,000 words (the General Service List) are needed to get by.

EDIT: I left the room while writing this, so the Duchess gave more useful information than my vague recollections from college.
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Singular Intellect wrote:I would conjecture that the adulteration of the sum of English vocabularies perceptibly helps the recollection and improvisation of those who use it eloquently.

:D :P
I would interject that the pollution of English vocabulary with a multitude of redundant additions serves no purpose other than to enhance the pomposity of those inclined to believe that a supercilious style of communication is a laudable trait ;)
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Broomstick wrote:It's not like anyone is going to ever use a significant fraction of those. Isn't a 50,000 word vocabulary considered large? Has anyone even had 100,000 words at thier command?
I can't seem to find a good source (my Google-fu is weak), but if I recall correctly, the average person's vocabulary is around 10,000 words (though it varies greatly from native tongue to native tongue, it is generally within a given spread from 10,000, though I don't know the distribution). I think I read somewhere once that the average college graduate's vocabulary is almost twice that of someone of comparable age who only graduated from high school. However, you don't need nearly that many to function, or even read/write. When people learn English as a second language, only 2,000 words (the General Service List) are needed to get by.
You're thinking of word families at those numbers, clusters of related words. "Desire, desiring, desired," etc, are all part of one word family and an extremely basic grammar set allows one to grasp all three, knowing only one. The average person does in fact know around only 10,000 word families like that, which would probably yield an effective vocabulary of about 30,000 words.

A 100,000 word vocabulary is probably on the other hand the upper limit of human capability.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote: You're thinking of word families at those numbers, clusters of related words. "Desire, desiring, desired," etc, are all part of one word family and an extremely basic grammar set allows one to grasp all three, knowing only one. The average person does in fact know around only 10,000 word families like that, which would probably yield an effective vocabulary of about 30,000 words.

A 100,000 word vocabulary is probably on the other hand the upper limit of human capability.
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Also proper nouns (names) are also words, even if they are not counted as such by general dictionary conventions [obvious exceptions are those that become well known as general words].
Authors make up names also (Shakespeare was famous for his creativity in regard to coining words); and just because a word is a technical word used by only a relatively small group of experts doesn't mean it is not a word - indeed can make case it is much more of a substantive word than some of these media inspired short-lived terms [Obamamania, defriend, as examples cited in OP article].

It is funny how so many words have multiple meanings and usages (eg set) whilst on other hand have concepts for which no single word exists (hence get the mainly in jest things like 'The Meaning of Liff'). Of course, some times new words are deliberately created with serious intent, but maybe at least as often an existing word simply has yet another meaning attached to it.

As well as words that have different meanings, also have the situation of words that can be of different forms ie be both a noun and a verb, etc.
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Darth Wong wrote:I would interject that the pollution of English vocabulary with a multitude of redundant additions serves no purpose other than to enhance the pomposity of those inclined to believe that a supercilious style of communication is a laudable trait ;)
Your analytical discourse shall induce deferential changes to my excessively verbose communication activity. :P
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Guys, stop playing with the theasaurus.
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:You're thinking of word families at those numbers, clusters of related words. "Desire, desiring, desired," etc, are all part of one word family and an extremely basic grammar set allows one to grasp all three, knowing only one. The average person does in fact know around only 10,000 word families like that, which would probably yield an effective vocabulary of about 30,000 words.

A 100,000 word vocabulary is probably on the other hand the upper limit of human capability.
This is rather interesting. Though to be honest at times my vocabulary does not actually feel like it contains thirty or forty thousand words. :)
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Ziggy Stardust wrote:(I really wish "linguistical" were a word...)
It will be. It will be... 8)
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Singular Intellect wrote:Your analytical discourse shall induce deferential changes to my excessively verbose communication activity. :P
Your sesquipedalian retort fails to impress : )
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This reminds me of a certain observation (attributed to James Nicoll, and others):

"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that the English language is as pure as a crib-house whore. It not only borrows words from other languages; it has on occasion chased other languages down dark alley-ways, clubbed them unconscious and rifled their pockets for new vocabulary."
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I have been listening to the guy Paul Payack live on my local radio, and we got a world exclusive - the millionth word is Spoiler
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B5B7 wrote:I have been listening to the guy Paul Payack live on my local radio, and we got a world exclusive - the millionth word is Spoiler
Web 2.0
, and the 1,000,00,1th word is Spoiler
Financial Tsunami
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... That doesn't even make any sense. Neither of those is a "word". One is a word with a number thrown on, and one is two, pre-existing words. This is... really, really dumb.
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Broomstick wrote:I'm not sure that the abundance of English words is something to brag about. Given how most languages seem to get by just fine on 1/2 or 1/3 that number you have to wonder if, in fact, we have a surplus. In some cases we've retained two words that mean the same thing - cease:desist, pail:bucket, sofa:couch, soda:pop, purple:violet. Um... why? (in some cases we actually know why, other times we don't).
In some cases? Don't MOST words in the English language have at least one synonym? cease:desist sure. But THOSE are just synonymous with the far more common stop, halt, end (one of the meanings) etc.

Honest question: do many other languages have a category of book (the thesaurus) that exists simply to catalog the plethora of synonyms and superfluous words?

As for why? English has been infused with so many outside languages of differing origins; such as the languages of the Britons, upper Germanic, lower Germanic, Latin, French and more recently Spanish in the United States. Also native speakers of English are often taught that repeating a word regularly is unintelligent or unoriginal; therefore schoolchildren, from a young age are taught synonyms for just about every word they possibly come across. It's seen as a virtue to have a wide vocabulary of superfluous terminology. I couldn't begin to guess on the historical origins of this phenomenon, but it does exist.
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What I was referring to was - I don't know the official term, ironically enough - "legal pairings" such as "cease and desist", "assault and battery", and the like which date back to the Norman Conquest. One of the pair is invariably of French origin, the other of Anglo-Saxon era English, and it is believed pairs started being used together in legal language as a tool for greater understanding.

Of course, we all understand the language infusion part, but I was referring to more specific knowledge of what and how particular words entered the language, and in some cases why they persist.
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The Original Nex wrote:Honest question: do many other languages have a category of book (the thesaurus) that exists simply to catalog the plethora of synonyms and superfluous words?
Yes, English is not special in this case.
As for why? English has been infused with so many outside languages of differing origins; such as the languages of the Britons, upper Germanic, lower Germanic, Latin, French and more recently Spanish in the United States. Also native speakers of English are often taught that repeating a word regularly is unintelligent or unoriginal; therefore schoolchildren, from a young age are taught synonyms for just about every word they possibly come across. It's seen as a virtue to have a wide vocabulary of superfluous terminology. I couldn't begin to guess on the historical origins of this phenomenon, but it does exist.
The so-called "outside languages" nowadays were the "insiders" during those periods of time. If you take a look at the history of English language, you will be able to answer these questions easily.
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The Original Nex wrote:Also native speakers of English are often taught that repeating a word regularly is unintelligent or unoriginal; therefore schoolchildren, from a young age are taught synonyms for just about every word they possibly come across. It's seen as a virtue to have a wide vocabulary of superfluous terminology. I couldn't begin to guess on the historical origins of this phenomenon, but it does exist.
It's not just for english, back in primary/high school we have been taught that it's not just unoriginal and unintelligent but the text will be boring as hell too. Only difference that the teachers didn't tried to cram down every word on our throats actively(which wouldn't work), instead they relied on the corpus of required books and other pieces of literature to give us the needed vocabulary.
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The Original Nex wrote: As for why? English has been infused with so many outside languages of differing origins; such as the languages of the Britons, upper Germanic, lower Germanic, Latin, French and more recently Spanish in the United States. Also native speakers of English are often taught that repeating a word regularly is unintelligent or unoriginal; therefore schoolchildren, from a young age are taught synonyms for just about every word they possibly come across. It's seen as a virtue to have a wide vocabulary of superfluous terminology. I couldn't begin to guess on the historical origins of this phenomenon, but it does exist.
Remember also, that since at least the 1800s, English has been the language of science, philosophy, textual criticism and trade. This means that for all sorts of new concepts, materials, discoveries and areas to do trade in, the language is going to be taught and pick up its own local variants that will get into circulation. Similarly, it doesn't have top-down regulation like the French language does, so people make it their own (with slang etc) and thus it's more mutagenic.
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I was thinking this would be about all the technical and foreign terms that English had made and stolen adopted, many of which most people would never use (like jökulhlaup, stolen from Icelandic, which is the sudden emptying of a glacial lake after its ice dam breaks, or the names of types of lava which originally are Hawaiian words, like a'a.) but "financial tsunami"? WTF? That's not a word at all. So dumb.
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Ziggy Stardust wrote:You are correct, thank you. I genuflect myself in the face of your predominant linguistical capabilities. :P

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It's redundant. "Linguistic," "of or relating to language or linguistics" is already the adjective you need. The "-al" adjective suffix "of, relating to, characterized by," is completely superfluous. Of course, that doesn't mean people haven't already put it in a dictionary.
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The Original Nex wrote:Honest question: do many other languages have a category of book (the thesaurus) that exists simply to catalog the plethora of synonyms and superfluous words.
Not all synonyms are superfluous. Words carry connotations, moods, and tones in addition to their denotative meaning. Discussions about this sort of thing frequently ignore these shades of meaning. For example, "cease" and "desist," "desist" carries a connotation of a voluntary action. One can cease breathing when one dies, but you would never say that you desist breathing.
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