SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread VIII

[K. A. Pital]

yes we did... I thought we were in 2017 already, and we're coming to the middle of the year?

[CmdrWilkens]

hey people, shouldn't it be close to mid-2017? Because if that's so, the second nuclear supercarrier in the UCSR should be comissioned in Severomorsk.

Didn't we slow the time to 1 week = 1 month? Is it 6 weeks now?

Yes we did. If we were to assume that 5/15/2009 12:00:01 GMT was the end of 2016 (which is what we agreed on) then right now, 07:20 6/14/2009 would be May 11th 2017.

Again I'll reference my previous posts on the subject of timeline:

We started Aug15 as 2008 ::

Sep15 = 2009
Oct15 = 2010
Nov14= 2011
Dec15 = 2012
Jan15 = 2013
Feb14 = 2014
Mar15 = 2015
Apr15 = 2016
May15 = 2017

From that point the slowdown comes into effect and August 7th will be January 1st 2018...unless we cank the slowdown.

Generally speaking for most weeks it should look like this:

Friday: 1st-4th of the Month
Saturday: 5th-9th of the Month
Sunday: 10th-14th of the Month
Monday: 15th-18th of the Month
Tuesday: 19th-22nd of the Month
Wednesday: 23rd-26th of the Month
Thursday: 27th-30th/31st of the Month

So week 1 (January) was the 15th-21st, week 2 (February) was the 22nd-28th, week 3 (March) was the 29th-4th, week 4 (April) was the 5th-11th, week 5 (May) is the 12th-18th.

I'm gonna post an .xls later today with the complete 2017 conversion...and the formulas already set so you can flip to 2018, or any year for that matter, quickly.

[Zor]

An update has finally been posted in regards to what the hell is going on in Zorian Veleria.

Zor

[Lonestar]

aaannndd....Siegetank, check your PMs.

(Bullshit apology!)

[Siege]

Aaaand replied. Tell it like it is, Mr. Hank!

[CmdrWilkens]

So as promised here is a link to the 2017 Date Conversion file in Excel spreadsheet format. The underlying formulae shoudl be evident enough and the only dates your would need to play with to translate this to 2018 and beyond are the start dates in the upper left hand of the sheet.

[CmdrWilkens]

So yeah I'm gonna put this out here now so nobody goes crazy if I forget to announce all of the damn missions but the next two MSA programs that are getting funding from everyone (that is seperate from MSA-Dominion, Royal Space Agency, Shinra Space Service, Canissia Royal Extra Planetary Explorations Society, Tian Xia Space Agency, or Cascadia Space Agency programs) will be:

Theseus: Exploration missons in low-earth or medium earth orbit. This includes construciton of permanent habitation modules beginning with Theseus 8. Primary spacecraft is the Delta IV 4260-H for crew lift and Delta IV 4660-H for cargo lift. The orbital vehicle is a derivative of the Dyna-Soar vehicle optimized for orbital manueverability and connection to the planned space station.

Two stations are curretly planned. Theseus 8-22 will construct something similair to the ISS in that it will be an interconnected micro-gravity station. Theseus 23 onwards will begin construction of a dual wheel rotating design built 1.6km in diameter and rotating at 1 rpm in opposite directions producing two hubs with slightly less than Terran standard gravity on the bottom plate. Additional material launches will be made using the Ares VI booster (capable of lifting more than 350MT at a time) during these phases.


The success percentages are:

Result
Total Success, All Systems
Success, 1-2 Minor Failures
Partial Success, one major or multiple minor failures
Partial Failure, multiple major system failure, degenerative orbit reached
Total Failure, destroyed on launch pad

Min
601
51
11
6
1

Max
1000
600
50
10
5

Abbreviation
TS
S
PS
PF
TF

• Mission
  Theseus 1
  Theseus 1-B
  Theseus 2
  Theseus 2-B
  Theseus 3
  Theseus 3-B
  Theseus 4
  Theseus 4-B
  Theseus 4
  Theseus 4-B
  Theseus 5
  Theseus 5-B
  Theseus 6
  Theseus 6-B
  Theseus 7
  Theseus 7-B
  Theseus 8
  Theseus 8-B
  Theseus 9
  Theseus 9-B
  Theseus 10
  Theseus 10-B
  Theseus 11
  Theseus 11-B
  Theseus 12
  Theseus 12-B
  Theseus 13
  Theseus 13-B
  Theseus 14
  Theseus 14-B
  Theseus 15
  Theseus 15-B
  Theseus 16
  Theseus 16-B
  Theseus 17
  Theseus 17-B
  Theseus 18
  Theseus 18-B
  Theseus 19
  Theseus 19-B
  Theseus 20
  Theseus 20-B
  Theseus 21
  Theseus 21-B
  Theseus 22
  Theseus 22-B
  Theseus 23
  Theseus 23-B
  Theseus 24
  Theseus 24-B
  Theseus 25
  Theseus 25-B
  Theseus 26
  Theseus 26-B
  Theseus 27
  Theseus 27-B
  Theseus 28
  Theseus 28-B
  Theseus 29
  Theseus 29-B
  Theseus 30
  Theseus 30-B
  Theseus 31
  Theseus 31-B
  Theseus 32
  Theseus 32-B
  Theseus 33
  Theseus 33-B
  Theseus 34
  Theseus 34-B
  Theseus 35
  Theseus 35-B
  Theseus 36
  Theseus 36-B
  Theseus 37
  Theseus 37-B
  Theseus 38
  Theseus 38-B
  Theseus 39
  Theseus 39-B
  Theseus 40
  Theseus 40-B
  Theseus 41
  Theseus 41-B
  Theseus 42
  Theseus 42-B
  Theseus 43
  Theseus 43-B
  Theseus 44
  Theseus 44-B
  Theseus 45
  Theseus 45-B
  Theseus 46
  Theseus 46-B
  Theseus 47
  Theseus 47-B
  Theseus 48
  Theseus 48-B
  Theseus 49
  Theseus 49-B
  Theseus 50
  Theseus 50-B
  Theseus 51
  Theseus 51-B
  Theseus 52
  Theseus 52-B
  Theseus 53
  Theseus 53-B
  Theseus 54
  Theseus 54-B
  Theseus 55
  Theseus 55-B
  Theseus 56
  Theseus 56-B
  Theseus 57
  Theseus 57-B
  Theseus 58
  Theseus 58-B
  Theseus 59
  Theseus 59-B
  Theseus 60
  Theseus 60-B
  Theseus 61
  Theseus 61-B
  Theseus 62
  Theseus 62-B

• Value
  205
  549
  751
  202
  879
  281
  858
  171
  787
  688
  869
  907
  329
  880
  806
  539
  807
  71
  236
  122
  244
  961
  821
  193
  489
  737
  205
  741
  920
  28
  725
  907
  463
  40
  844
  558
  664
  837
  783
  992
  598
  192
  749
  128
  307
  989
  235
  505
  487
  547
  902
  155
  710
  597
  602
  661
  458
  375
  907
  675
  942
  821
  121
  538
  914
  953
  51
  222
  249
  75
  165
  367
  125
  61
  292
  14
  670
  836
  498
  271
  158
  480
  825
  413
  760
  903
  106
  22
  143
  269
  436
  218
  195
  741
  275
  67
  957
  969
  212
  584
  789
  564
  711
  100
  911
  902
  550
  655
  660
  967
  312
  230
  571
  67
  356
  151
  452
  550
  828
  576
  146
  198
  260
  718
  12
  N/A

Result
S
S
TS
S
TS
S
TS
S
TS
TS
TS
TS
S
TS
TS
S
TS
S
S
S
S
TS
TS
S
S
TS
S
TS
TS
PS
TS
TS
S
PS
TS
S
TS
TS
TS
TS
S
S
TS
S
S
TS
S
S
S
S
TS
S
TS
S
TS
TS
S
S
TS
TS
TS
TS
S
S
TS
TS
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
PS
TS
TS
S
S
S
S
TS
S
TS
TS
S
PS
S
S
S
S
S
TS
S
S
TS
TS
S
S
TS
S
TS
S
TS
TS
S
TS
TS
TS
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
TS
S
S
S
S
TS
PS
N/A

Quarter
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q1
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q2
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q3
Q4
Q4
Q4
Q4

• Year
  2018
  2018
  2018
  2018
  2018
  2018
  2018
  2018
  2018
  2018
  2018
  2018
  2018
  2018
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2019
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2023
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025
  2025

The one uncertainty is on funding. The mission sequence above is based upon a funding reduction of 10-15%, a loss of the funding committment from the Cascadians, no investment from additional partners, additional funding provided to FASTA in order to maintain a developmental rival, and a shift in individual national resources towards military geared programs. In other words short of MESS member nations backing out of the joint MSA civilian projects these missions WILL happen. If the Cascadians maintain their full funding committment, the MSA civilian programs don't lose money to the military, FASTA avoids a funding crisis and any of the several unaligned or non-MESS states agree to join then the mission numbers could jump to as many as 4/qtr by 2021. All told this would increase the mission count to 106 missions and place 636 individuals in space. Realistically planing for an in between scenario I expect to be able to go with 94 missions betwenn 2018 and 2025.


Icarus: This is the MSA mission to Mars. While I don't have the handy ability to figure on relative mechanics I'm working off the Hohman Transfer Orbits between Earth and Mars. Right now I'm figuring the first available launch window that I will have a vehicle ready for is the 2nd quarter of 2022. The basic mission design uses the Ares VI booster to launch an Earth Departure Stage housing the service (but not crew) module only. This unit will feature a combination of J-2X engines and an NSTAR based Ion Engine powered by SCARLET solar panels. Total transfer time en route should be around 260 days.

The first 4 missions will be LEO tests of the systems (since the Ares VI will be new tech even if the Jupiter 120 is more mature). Icarus 5-7 will test the EDS by going on Lunar Orbits and testing the descent stage on 7. Icarus 8, 9, and 10, will be the first to circle Mars. The last (10) will test the descent stage. Icarus 11 and 12 will be landings. All flights to Mars and back use the minimum duration stay (~30 days) and then return in a reverse trajectory.

The success percentages are:

Result
Total Success, All Systems
Success, 1-2 Minor Failures
Partial Success, one major or multiple minor failures
Partial Failure, multiple major system failure, degenerative orbit reached
Total Failure, destroyed on launch pad

Min
80
11
5
2
0

Max
100
79
10
4
1

Abbreviation
TS
S
PS
PF
TF

• Mission
  Icarus 1
  Icarus 2
  Icarus 3
  Icarus 4
  Icarus 5
  Icarus 5-B
  Icarus 5-C
  Icarus 6
  Icarus 6-B
  Icarus 6-C
  Icarus 7
  Icarus 7-B
  Icarus 7-C
  Icarus 8
  Icarus 8-B
  Icarus 8-C
  Icarus 8-D
  Icarus 8-E
  Icarus 8-F
  Icarus 8-G
  Icarus 9
  Icarus 9-B
  Icarus 9-C
  Icarus 9-D
  Icarus 9-E
  Icarus 9-F
  Icarus 9-G
  Icarus 10
  Icarus 10-B
  Icarus 10-C
  Icarus 10-D
  Icarus 10-E
  Icarus 10-F
  Icarus 10-G
  Icarus 11
  Icarus 11-B
  Icarus 11-C
  Icarus 11-D
  Icarus 11-E
  Icarus 11-F
  Icarus 11-G
  Icarus 11-H
  Icarus 11-J
  Icarus 12
  Icarus 12-B
  Icarus 12-C
  Icarus 12-D
  Icarus 12-E
  Icarus 12-F
  Icarus 12-G
  Icarus 12-H
  Icarus 12-J

• Value
  64
  84
  20
  18
  50
  71
  63
  76
  96
  90
  84
  29
  92
  47
  40
  65
  44
  99
  33
  92
  12
  36
  81
  30
  8
  52
  90
  60
  52
  27
  39
  7
  60
  27
  20
  57
  72
  15
  38
  59
  92
  52
  48
  12
  50
  98
  13
  100
  54
  92
  30
  89

• Result
  S
  TS
  S
  S
  S
  S
  S
  S
  TS
  TS
  TS
  S
  TS
  S
  S
  S
  S
  TS
  S
  TS
  S
  S
  TS
  S
  PS
  S
  TS
  S
  S
  S
  S
  PS
  S
  S
  S
  S
  S
  S
  S
  S
  TS
  S
  S
  S
  S
  TS
  S
  TS
  S
  TS
  S
  TS

• Quarter
  Q2
  Q3
  Q4
  Q1
  Q2
  Q2
  Q2
  Q3
  Q3
  Q3
  Q1
  Q1
  Q1
  Q2
  Q2
  Q2
  Q3
  Q1
  Q1
  Q2
  Q2
  Q2
  Q3
  Q4
  Q4
  Q1
  Q2
  Q2
  Q3
  Q3
  Q4
  Q1
  Q1
  Q2
  Q1
  Q1
  Q2
  Q3
  Q4
  Q4
  Q4
  Q1
  Q3
  Q1
  Q1
  Q1
  Q2
  Q3
  Q3
  Q4
  Q1
  Q3

• Year
  2020
  2020
  2020
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2021
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2022
  2023
  2023
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2024
  2025
  2025
  2026
  2026
  2026
  2026
  2027
  2027
  2027
  2028
  2028
  2028
  2028
  2028
  2028
  2028
  2029
  2029
  2030
  2030
  2030
  2030
  2030
  2030
  2030
  2031
  2031

If anyone can spot an error or otherwise has a quesiton let me know.

[Lonestar]

NUKULAR WAR WITHOUT END!

Actually, yes, I am trying to stir shit up(in the game, not in-charecter). Hopefully we will soon have incidences of ODN ships ramming NFT vessels, just like in the Good Old Days of the Cold War

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

At this rate, we might as well put another carrier battlegroup in the area... in addition to the one already there.

[Karmic Knight]

NUKULAR WAR WITHOUT END!

Actually, yes, I am trying to stir shit up(in the game, not in-charecter). Hopefully we will soon have incidences of ODN ships ramming NFT vessels, just like in the Good Old Days of the Cold War :)

So long as you keep your cold war incidents out of my coastline. ::grumbles::

[Siege]

In fact the NFT military orbiter fleet is housed in hardened silos. Only the civilian fleet at this stage uses open-air launch pads. Moreover, only roughly a third of the orbiter fleet is actually located in San Dorado, which would account for the absurd underestimation of our actual S-1 and S-2 force.

I wonder if Dominion Hawks would show up on the OTH radars. Oh, and I'm all for ramming ships .

[Lonestar]

Your OOB has 15, count 'em, 15 Rocketplanes listed son.

EDIT: I mean 25, but still...

[Lonestar]

And I guess Fin is putting up some nukular powered satellites so he can get some radar with enough juice to penetrate bunkers.

[Siege]

Your OOB has 15, count 'em, 15 Rocketplanes listed son.

My OOB has long since moved to the Wiki, granpa . That old thing here on the board hasn't been updated in forever.

[PeZook]

Of course, CATO space bomber fleet is significantly larger, and you can't use Dominion Hawks to peer into Siberia

On the other note, I was meaning to post a "runaway defence budget" summary, but never seem to have the time between the lunar landings and, ahem...other EVIL PLOTS to actually do that.

In summary, PeZookia's renewed defence spending for the next decade:

1) Total replacement of all Eurofighters with CF-01s and all F-15 ACTIVEs with CF-02s

2) Purchase of Contradiction-class cruisers and continental destroyers to replace the totally obsolete navy

3) Scrapping of both Wasp LHDs, to be replaced with one Continental Assault Carrier

4) Purchase of several (4-6) SSNs

5) Re-equipping of the Army: new tanks and artillery pieces, new small arms, rifles, mortarts and MLRS.

6) Purchase of new nuclear delivery systems, perhaps establishment of a strategic bomber force (for maritime defence & strategic deterrence)

7) Replacement of all naval helicopters and maritime patrol craft with modern models

...and anything I forgot :p

Needless to say, it's a plan for as much as two decades into the future.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

1) Total replacement of all Eurofighters with CF-01s and all F-15 ACTIVEs with CF-02s

I think you meant the reverse.

3) Scrapping of both Wasp LHDs, to be replaced with one Continental Assault Carrier

Don't think there's an assault carrier, but there's definitely a fleet carrier...

[Lonestar]

And you never even said what you were doing for your VIP transports!

[DarthShady]

Speaking of OOB's and evil plots, I need to update my own OOB. Haven't done so in a while.

[PeZook]

And you never even said what you were doing for your VIP transports!

Oh! Right!

Well, I'll get on it today evening. I made a decision long ago, actually

I think you meant the reverse.

Nope. My air superiority squadrons are all Eurofighters, with F-15s being second line support. Results of political purchase of the F-15

Thus, it will be a return to proper equipment for their role.

Don't think there's an assault carrier, but there's definitely a fleet carrier...

Weren't we developing a modular assault carrier, with a well deck and big enough to operate CFN-01s?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Nope. My air superiority squadrons are all Eurofighters, with F-15s being second line support. Results of political purchase of the F-15

Eh? The F-15 is a heavy fighter with superior avionics (the radar aperture is larger). Eurofighters are really part of the lo end in the hi-lo mix.

Weren't we developing a modular assault carrier, with a well deck and big enough to operate CFN-01s?

That was my own development. Stas said it really wasn't necessary, but I went ahead with it and I aim to mass the carrier similarly to the the QE carrier. I took it that no one in CATO was interested in its development so it's entirely funded by me.

The Continental Class Supercarrier really is a 100,000 tonne carrier with two large runways for take off and landing.

[PeZook]

Eh? The F-15 is a heavy fighter with superior avionics (the radar aperture is larger). Eurofighters are really part of the lo end in the hi-lo mix.

Well, my military is a bit fucked up this way. Originally, all air superiority squadrons were equipped with eurofighters, and got all the best pilots, most funding etc.

Then I decided I needed an interceptor force, so I shopped around, and a political decision was made to buy the F-15 from Shroomania. Which isn't really a very good interceptor.

So, a few years later, we went and dived headfirst into the Mig-31 deal, which worked out great. So, now we have elite air superiority wings flying obsolete Tranche III Eurofighters, with even-more-elite interceptor wings (they have to protect the motherland from nuclear hellfire, after all!) screaming forth on modern Mig-31s, and some guys stuck with F-15s nobody really has a niche for.

...hence the reform

Though we may simply replace BOTH the F-15s and Eurofighters with CF-01s altogether.

That was my own development. Stas said it really wasn't necessary, but I went ahead with it and I aim to mass the carrier similarly to the the QE carrier. I took it that no one in CATO was interested in its development so it's entirely funded by me.

But not quite, since we WERE interested. I told you in the newsgroup

I don't think I need a 100 000 tonne megacarrier. A modular assault ship, or perhaps two (one configured as a carrier, the other as an LHD) would be more elastic in 'peacetime', and able to act as sea domination carriers in case we ever get in a war against the MESS.

[Lonestar]

Lol Siegetank went and edited his missile forces page 11 minutes ago.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Well, my military is a bit fucked up this way. Originally, all air superiority squadrons were equipped with eurofighters, and got all the best pilots, most funding etc.

Then I decided I needed an interceptor force, so I shopped around, and a political decision was made to buy the F-15 from Shroomania. Which isn't really a very good interceptor.

So, a few years later, we went and dived headfirst into the Mig-31 deal, which worked out great. So, now we have elite air superiority wings flying obsolete Tranche III Eurofighters, with even-more-elite interceptor wings (they have to protect the motherland from nuclear hellfire, after all!) screaming forth on modern Mig-31s, and some guys stuck with F-15s nobody really has a niche for.

...hence the reform

Though we may simply replace BOTH the F-15s and Eurofighters with CF-01s altogether.

Well, you might want to have a mix of CF-01s and CF-02s. CF-01s will be more expensive than CF-02s. I am also aiming for a similar mix.

But not quite, since we WERE interested. I told you in the newsgroup

I don't think I need a 100 000 tonne megacarrier. A modular assault ship, or perhaps two (one configured as a carrier, the other as an LHD) would be more elastic in 'peacetime', and able to act as sea domination carriers in case we ever get in a war against the MESS.

Alright then. Then the first construction ought to begin sometime 2018-2019.

[Siege]

Lol Siegetank went and edited his missile forces page 11 minutes ago.

Yea-ah... I noticed that the bits where the numbers of orbiters should be were awfully empty . It seemed only fair to update them now, rather than appearing to pull orbiters out of my behind when we switch to GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR!

[Bluewolf]

OK, guys I am back in the game just so you know. Is it OK if I flesh out my nation stuff a bit more. It looks a bit empty atm.