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Seriously.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/06/15/bo ... index.html
Survey: More than half can't find heart on body diagram
by Marti Trgovich
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If home is where the heart is, a new survey suggests that most people aren't sure exactly where they live. More than half of people cannot pinpoint the exact location of the human heart on a diagram, and nearly 70 percent can't correctly identify the shape of the lungs, according to the survey.

This lack of knowledge isn't just embarrassing -- it could lead to a poorer quality of health care, some experts say.

In the study, published in the journal BMC Family Practice, a research team surveyed 722 Britons -- 589 hospital outpatients and 133 people in the general population. They gave the volunteers four diagrams of human figures and asked them to choose the one that showed the correct size and location of a specific organ. (For example, the heart diagrams showed various size organs on the far left side of the chest, directly in the center, anchored on the center/left chest, and on the right side of the chest.)

Overall, people knew less basic anatomy than the researchers expected -- even those patients being treated for a specific condition involving that organ. Participants generally answered half of the questions correctly, including 46.5 percent who knew which drawing represented their heart. In all, 31.4 percent correctly identified the lungs, 38.4 percent the stomach, 41.8 percent the thyroid, and 42.5 percent the kidneys.

The intestines and bladder were the most easily identified, with 85.9 percent and 80.7 percent, respectively, answering the question correctly.

There was little to no improvement compared with a similar study conducted in 1970, says lead author John Weinman, Ph.D., of King's College London. In that study, subjects correctly identified eight major body parts about half of the time. (The researchers used the same body parts from the 1970 study and added three more: the pancreas, gallbladder, and ovaries.)

Given the accessibility of the Internet and the prominence of health stories in the news media today, Weinman's team expected that people would now know more about their body.

Weinman says he wouldn't be surprised if a study based in the United States produced similar results -- or worse. "I imagine they would be similar, but there could well be regional variation, depending on which part of the U.S. the participants were from," he says. "Actually, I asked one of my colleagues, who is from the U.S., and she felt that Americans might be worse because, to quote her, 'Very many Americans don't even know where New Jersey is, so how would they know where their pancreas is?'"

That may sound harsh, but time and again, U.S. studies have shown that doctors overestimate how much their patients understand about their conditions and treatment.

Adam Kelly, Ph.D., an assistant professor of medicine at the Baylor College of Medicine, in Houston, Texas, conducted a 2007 study, that showed that doctors overestimate patient literacy and that a lack of patient knowledge leads to poorer care. Kelly believes the problem could be "even more profound" in the United States, although a similar study has not been conducted in America.

Still, anatomy may not be the best measure of health literacy, says Sandeep Jauhar, M.D., the director of the heart failure program at the Long Island Jewish Medical Center, and the author of "Intern: A Doctor's Initiation."

"They would like us to draw the conclusion that because the patients can't identify these organs anatomically that that is an indication of low health-care literacy -- and that may or may not be true," he says. "I work with heart failure patients, and whether they can identify where their heart is is not so important to me as long as they know which medicines to take and when."

Many patients with heart failure, unfortunately, don't know which medicines to take, can't identify their symptoms, and don't follow up with their doctors, Jauhar says. "So health illiteracy is definitely a big problem," he adds. "I just don't know that this is the best study to show that Americans or Europeans are illiterate when it comes to their health care."

The study suggests that patients with liver disease and diabetes may be the most health-literate: They were the only two groups to do better than the general population when identifying their affected organ. Overall, 75.3 percent of those with liver disease could find the liver (versus 45.9 percent in the general population) and 53.7 percent of diabetics could locate the pancreas (versus 30.8 percent).

"It is possible that patient-education material for people with diabetes may help to increase their knowledge [of the pancreas], but it is still only at the 50 percent level," Weinman says. "The same explanation may also be true for liver disease, but it may be a chance finding due to the sampling of patients for this study, and it really needs replicating in other larger studies to be certain it is a robust finding and to search for possible reasons for it."

Weinman says there's a mountain of evidence to prove that effective communication from doctors increases patient satisfaction and understanding, leading to better clinical outcomes and improved adherence to treatment.

Jauhar agrees that health literacy improves not only the quality of health care, but also life expectancy. "Health literacy is clearly very important, and how well patients are versed in their own health care is probably just as important a factor in determining longevity as genes or socioeconomic status," he says. "These are important factors in how long someone lives."
And people in America still say things like "I don't want a government bureaucrat (read: a fully qualified medical doctor who works for a government-funded health care system) deciding on my treatment".
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What. The. Fuck? :wtf:

That more than half of those interviewed know jack-shit about human anatomy (especially the heart) surprised me.
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That is surprising. You would think that the day-to-day aches and pains would give you a solid idea where your organs are. The only one listed that would give me pause was the thyroid, I knew it was in the throat somewhere, but I had no idea the size or shape.
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Darmalus wrote:That is surprising. You would think that the day-to-day aches and pains would give you a solid idea where your organs are. The only one listed that would give me pause was the thyroid, I knew it was in the throat somewhere, but I had no idea the size or shape.
Wait, what? You regulary have aches in your vital organs, harsh enough to LOCATE them?
Now that would worry me more than any survey in the world.

Anyway, i always have a strange feeling about surveys like that...people possible can't be that stupid/unknowledgable, now can they?
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Surveys like that make me wonder about the quality of education in Britain, let alone the U.S..
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Another reason this is concerning is that medical information is rapidly becoming available, on sites like WebMD. If you add those two factors together, it's no wonder that some confusion is inevitable.
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Look, I saw a news story (60 minutes lol) where people where constantly referred to as 'stabbed in the heart'... and NONE of them had injuries on the left side of their chest. One guy was talking about his 'stabbed in the heart' experience, with a scar so far right it was outside his nipple.

That's not your heart, guys. Don't journalists know this stuff? :lol:
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Force Lord wrote:What. The. Fuck? :wtf:

That more than half of those interviewed know jack-shit about human anatomy (especially the heart) surprised me.
To be honest, I'm not so surprised about the heart. Even for me, it still takes a second or so before I remember where the heart is supposed to be located, and I'm the guy who's doing the ECG:D

Many patients with heart failure, unfortunately, don't know which medicines to take, can't identify their symptoms, and don't follow up with their doctors, Jauhar says. "So health illiteracy is definitely a big problem," he adds. "I just don't know that this is the best study to show that Americans or Europeans are illiterate when it comes to their health care."
This, is the biggie....... Personal ancedotes aren't worth the damn, but there is some justification for this. People rationalisation of the sick role sometimes means removing themselves from any form of responsibility for their own care.
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PainRack wrote:
Force Lord wrote:What. The. Fuck? :wtf:

That more than half of those interviewed know jack-shit about human anatomy (especially the heart) surprised me.
To be honest, I'm not so surprised about the heart. Even for me, it still takes a second or so before I remember where the heart is supposed to be located, and I'm the guy who's doing the ECG:D
There is a...ah, [i[gentleman[i/] in my emt-b course who needs to be reminded of basic human anatomy just about every time we go over it. The concept of referred pain goes right over his head and he hopes to one day become a full blown physician. I fear for his patients.
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Oberst Tharnow wrote:Wait, what? You regulary have aches in your vital organs, harsh enough to LOCATE them?
Now that would worry me more than any survey in the world.?
After running a few miles, I definitely know where my heart and lungs are, my stomach lets me know its location if I over eat and my intestines and bladder make themselves known whenever I have to attend a meeting that just wont end. The others, I guess I just remember my occasional glances at medical charts better than most, although I would probably get the sizes wrong.
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these people clearly must have missed the anatomy episode of the magic school bus.

after watching that i'll never forget :p
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Good grief I know where the heart is for goodness sake!

I know where the Spleen is for crying out loud. I also have a photographic memory but still!
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Koolaidkirby wrote:these people clearly must have missed the anatomy episode of the magic school bus.

after watching that i'll never forget :p
Remember the Digestion one?

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Isn't the heart the thing that you can feel beating when you put your hand over it? How can you miss it?
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Darmalus wrote:That is surprising. You would think that the day-to-day aches and pains would give you a solid idea where your organs are. The only one listed that would give me pause was the thyroid, I knew it was in the throat somewhere, but I had no idea the size or shape.
Visceral nerves don't work that way. Internal organ pain is usually vague due to one nerve covering large areas, let alone radiating pain. So; you shouldn't be able to adequately locate your internal organs via 'normal aches and pains' even if you do have aches and pains in your internal organs.
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I thought lying on surveys was a popular pastime in the UK?

In which case any survey that requires user interaction is pretty worthless.
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We do enjoy fucking about with marketeers, and there was that whole "Jedi Knight" thing way back in the 2001 Census, but I don't think lying in studies like this is a particularly big thing, to be honest.
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I remember having a big hardback anatomy book (like this), that covered a lot of human bodily functions at a level a child could understand (well, I understood them as a child), complete with colourful cross-sections and vivid cutaways.

Don't they have these kinds of books in schools? Surely posters of the human body should be a commonplace sight in biology classrooms, right?
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This really doesn't surprise me, Anatomy is brushed over at school iirc.

A couple of lessons on "this is your heart, these are your lungs, they are in your chest" unless you do an A-Level in biology.

And if i'm completely honest, without looking up I can't be certain if my heart is on the left or right of my chest. I've simply forgotten because it's been years since I had to know.

My girlfriend is a science teacher, i'll check the syllabus with regards to anatomy this evening.
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Zac Naloen wrote:And if i'm completely honest, without looking up I can't be certain if my heart is on the left or right of my chest. I've simply forgotten because it's been years since I had to know.
It's in the center, more or less, under your sternum (chest bone). It tends to be offset to the left, but only slightly.
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See I know for a fact it was taught to me emphasis was put on that off set at school, because it's the only thing that stuck with me.
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I was taught the same thing, but then I learned later that it has more to do with the odd shape of the heart than its location.

See here: Link

Most of it is still under the sternum. Hell, that's what the sternum is for; to protect it.
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Samuel wrote:Isn't the heart the thing that you can feel beating when you put your hand over it? How can you miss it?
When you put your hand over it, if it's delivering a decent flow rate and if no...let's be generous and call it sound insulation...is in the way. And if you really get your pulse up, it feels like it's in your throat. There's a reason why medics looking for a pulse put their fingers on the wrist or arteria carotis, and not on the chest.
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Samuel wrote:Isn't the heart the thing that you can feel beating when you put your hand over it? How can you miss it?
When you put your hand over it, if it's delivering a decent flow rate and if no...let's be generous and call it sound insulation...is in the way. And if you really get your pulse up, it feels like it's in your throat. There's a reason why medics looking for a pulse put their fingers on the wrist or arteria carotis, and not on the chest.
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It was just the sealant coming out and showing the black stain that was left underneath. No problem at all. But because I had gone in for a checkup the dentist found some early decay I didn't see that he could remove easily and cheaply before it became an issue. So that's the end of that story.
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Well, while not knowing where your heart is, is pretty bad, all the 'gasp it's easy anatomy' vibes in the threads is silly. Anatomy is an incredibly hard subject (even taking out the phisioloical aspects) because of the sheer complexity of the human body. High school was a long time ago but I remember them teaching the basics, problem is, is why would someone retain that info unless they kept in a school tract or job that required it?

I really don't think it is necessary for all people to know little factoids about anatomy or any other subject unless it is directly tied to what they are studying or working. The average joe reallly doesn't need to know that your left lung has two lobes and your right has three. Doesn't really matter that the apex of the heart is actually at the bottom as you look at it, nor all the primary break off shoots of the ascending aorta are.

Personally, I think it's more critical that people know that eating all that fat and high carb shit increases their chances of thrombi and later emboli via all the plaque they build up in their arteries, than to know the exact location of their heart and other internal viscera.
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