Your probably the type the run around criticizing GL because of the Poggle the Lesser having the DS plans,
No, blow it out your ass with your other stupid pre-concieved bullshit notions.
*snip lies*
THE WHOLE EU IS FAN FIC AND YET NO ONE WANTS TO BELIEVE IT. Poor deluted minds, GL has even said publicly that the EU isn't his universe it's the authors, saying the real star wars and his universe is the movies.
Looks like I just prove you fucking wrong, idiot.
Now go shut the fuck up.
Star Wars rocks, yeah, but I can see that some of it's fans are delusional morons.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.
Looks like I am going to have quote the Ubiqtorate again just to be sure:
In general address:
According to Ben Harper, of Lucasfilm, Ltd, in Star Wars Gamer #3:
Good question! We have never disavowed the existence of Marvel comics. We have, whenever feasible, included important events and characters from the Marvel comics in our other products. Some of the Marvel storylines before anyone knew what would happen in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Obviously, in many places, those films contradicted what had happened in the comics. Which ones are more important? The films, of course. However, Lucasfilm recognizes the creativity and diversity within the Marvel comics, and feels that there is a place within the Star Wars universe for non-continuity events. You’ll notice that books recognized as Star Wars canon are marked with Era symbols (so you’ll know where they fall within the Star Wars timeline). The non-continuity books (at this point, the Dark Horse Star Wars Tales and Infinities: A New Hope comics) will soon be marked with a non-continuity symbol. Elements from Marvel which do not tread upon that which has been established in the films, novels, comics, et cetera, are being integrated into official Star Wars canon because we like them, they’re cool, the aliens will be fun to use in the RPG, and, well, we were just feeling a bit nostalgic. After all, it’s been over 20 years!
Mr Harper states that those books which are officially considered to be Star Wars canon are now being labelled with “Era symbols,” and that non-continuity (which his usage suggests to be synonymous with “non-canon”) are labelled with the “Infinities” symbol. Note further that Mr Harper states that elements from the Marvel Comics Group Star Wars comic series which do not contradict the established “facts” of the Expanded Universe are being “integrated into official Star Wars canon,” thus implicitly stating that the “films, novels, comics, et cetera” constitute “official Star Wars canon.”
In summary, Mr Harper’s statement does not in any way support the contention that the Expanded Universe lacks the status of being accurate, valid, and correct; in fact, it stands in direct contradiction to this contention, as Mr Harper considers the “facts” (such as it were) established by the “novels, comics, et cetera” to be on the same level as those established by the films – and for that reason, he lists the two categories together.
According to Sue Rostoni, of Lucas Licensing, in Star Wars Gamer #6:
Canon refers to an authoritative list of books that the Lucas Licensing editors consider an authentic part of the official Star Wars history. Our goal is to present a continuous and unified history of the Star Wars galaxy, insofar as that history does not conflict with, or undermine the meaning of Mr. Lucas’s Star Wars saga of films and screenplays.
It is interesting to note that herein canon is defined to include those books which Lucas Licensing considers to be “factual” in Star Wars, insofar as it accurately reflects the films and screenplays of Mr Lucas. This is important, in that it demonstrates that it is the stated policy of Lucas Licensing that items are considered to be part of the official continuous and unified history of Star Wars as long as they are not overruled by the films themselves.
That is to say, it is the state policy of Lucas Licensing that Star Wars literature is true, valid, accurate and correct insofar as it is not contradicted – or, more properly, does not contradict – the films themselves.
According to Chris Cerasi, of LucasBooks, on starwars.com/community/askjc/steve/askjc2001817.html:
There’s been some confusion of late regarding the ‘Infinities’ symbol, and Star Wars Expanded Universe continuity in general. Terms like “canon” and “continuity” tend to get thrown around casually, which doesn’t help at all.
When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves – and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas’ vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences. The novelizations are written concurrently with the film’s production, so variations in detail do creep in from time to time. Nonetheless, they should be regarded as very accurate depictions of the fictional Star Wars movies.
The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play. LucasBooks works diligently to keep the continuing Star Wars expanded universe cohesive and uniform, but stylistically, there is always room for variation. Not all artists draw Luke Skywalker the same way. Not all writers define the character in the same fashion. The particular attributes of individual media also come into lay. A comic book interpretation of an event will likely have less dialogue or different pacing than a novel version. A video game has to take an interactive approach that favors gameplay. So too must card and roleplaying games ascribe certain characteristics to characters and events in order to make them playable.
The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the ‘real’ Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them. Like the great Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi said, ‘many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.’
Returning to the question at hand. Yes, Star Wars Gamer is part of continuity, though as game material, there is room for interpretation. Only specific articles marked with the ‘Infinities’ logo within the magazine should be considered out of continuity.
Fans of the old monthly Marvel Star Wars comic will be heartened to know that LucasBooks does indeed consider them part of continuity. Decades of retrospect haven’t been kind to all the elements of the comic series, but the characters and events still hold weight and are referenced in newer material whenever possible.
In order to allow unlimited freedom of storytelling, the Infinities label has been placed on the anthology series, Star Wars Tales. This means that not only can the stories occur anywhere in the Star Wars timeline, but stories can happen outside continuity. Basically, if an event appears in Tales, it may not have necessarily happened in the rest of the expanded universe. For some stories, the distinction is largely inconsequential. For others, it’s the only way they could exist (for example, there’s a Darth Vader vs. Darth Maul comic coming soon).
Mr Cerasi’s statement is to the effect that it is the official policy of Lucasfilm, Ltd, that the films themselves constitute absolute canon, or completely correct representations of the “facts” of the Star Wars story. In addition to the films themselves are other material (designated “expanded universe” by Mr Cerasi), which are considered to be in continuity with the films, though of lesser “correctness” with regard to “facts” than the films themselves.
Because Mr Cerasi consistently uses the term “continuity,” it is clear that this is a specific use of the word, and not a vague generality. The term “continuity” is defined by the 1984 edition of the Funk & Wagnalls Standard Desk Dictionary as “the state or quality of being continuous”; “continuous” is therein defined as “extended or prolonged without break; uninterrupted.”
In effect, Mr Cerasi has stated, then, that the expanded universe constitutes a continuous, uninterrupted part of the Star Wars saga. It is fully in union with the films themselves, and is without break from them; to relegate it to the status of inadmissible evidence due to non-canon status is to violate the stated policy of LucasBooks, and thence, of Lucasfilm Ltd, and implicitly of Mr Lucas himself.
According to George Lucas, in the introduction to the 1994 printing of Splinter of the Mind’s Eye:
After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story – however many films it took to tell – was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not stories I was destined to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga.
Mr Lucas’s statement here is interesting in that it reveals that he considers the stories of the Expanded Universe to be equal parts of the Star Wars saga with his own part, the films themselves. This establishes that it is the opinion of the creator of the franchise that the Expanded Universe constitutes a valid part of the “factual” history of the saga.
These statements by persons in positions of authority with regard to the official “facts” of the Star Wars saga are consistent in upholding that the Expanded Universe is a valid part of the saga, and fail in any way to support the contention that the Expanded Universe lacks the status of being accurate, valid and correct except when in direct conflict with the films themselves. Until and unless an item within the Expanded Universe conflicts with the films, it is canonical; when a conflict occurs, the films’ evidence supersedes that of the Expanded Universe item.
The Ubiqtorate’s opinion is (or, more properly, would be) that to attempt to claim otherwise – viz., to claim that the Expanded Universe is neither canonical nor accurate, valid and correct, and therefor inadmissible as evidence – is not only contradictory of the stated policies of LucasBooks, Lucas Licensing, Lucasfilm, Ltd, and Mr Lucas, but is also wilfully misinterpretative of the various statements regarding canon and continuity.
Furthermore, the Ubiqtorate would suggest that any attempt to argue that the rules of evidence for Star Trek have any implication on the rules of evidence for Star Wars is a red herring; the rules of evidence for Star Trek are irrelevant to the rules of evidence for Star Wars.
The Ubiqtorate yields the floor.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.
You said shove it if you don't like Star Wars, I was just trying to show you I wasn't a lame ass trekkie.
You keep believing all you want Divine Shadow the EU is nothing, it wouldn't exist without the Movies, it is purely Fan Fiction, the whole reason it exists is because GL doesn't want to continue writing, making movies, etc. and because he gains great amounts of money from the EU. The whole thing is based on Characters from GL's MOVIES he never wrote any books about Star Wars because he didn't need to, Instead he let the buffoons create their own so that they could get wet dreams at night thinking about how they can continue to write books that take place years after a movie so that they can fill their pockets with money and get a name for themselves. The whole EU is fan fic GL doesn't review every peice of the EU he probably doesn't review any of it, because he doesn't care, he just goes to his mail box every morning and looks at the check, smiles, and says "suckers" and walks back to his mansion(ranch). The EU is only fan fic that you have to pay for. It is a shame you feel otherwise, I believe you have become to attached to the EU BS, I suggest pyhciatric care, or counseling. Don't waster your money on Liscensed Fan fic there is better free stuff out there, it all comes from the same scourse the MOVIES.
Anyhow, with the entrails of newbies who think they can dictate lucasfilm canon policy splattered over the thread, let's move on.
Raith Sienar, as showed in Rogue Planet created the original concept of the Death stars, this eventually went to the Geonosians, from them to Dooku and most likely from there to the Maw where Bevel Lemelisk and Qwi Xux finished the designs.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.
You keep believing all you want Divine Shadow the EU is nothing, it wouldn't exist without the Movies, it is purely Fan Fiction, the whole reason it exists is because GL doesn't want to continue writing, making movies, etc. and because he gains great amounts of money from the EU.
Uhm, so what if it started with the movies?
Funny, GL doesn't seem to agree with you...
Ofcourse it bloody well exists to make money, you think GL is stupid or what? But he also says it's real Star Wars, a part of the Star Wars universe, nothing you whine on about here can change that fundamental fact.
You can keep on thinking to yourself that the EU is only Fanfic, just ignore what Lucasfilm policy and GL himself says if it makes you feel better.
You're like a creationist trying to ignore scientific proof for evolution and the only thing you can do is repeat yourself over and over again "The EU is fanfic, the EU is Fanfic, nooooooo!".
*snip pathetic fanboys ravings repeating the words fanfic over and over again*
Still can't face the truth I see, sad excuse for a warsie...
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.
Besides the EU stuff (IE Bevel) who do you think really designed the DS? The Geonesians, humans, some other alien race, or was it a joint effort by the entire Confederacy? And was the original DS built for different species, or only humans? Everything looks as though it was built for only humans...but with these Confederacy aliens....I wonder who really built the thing....
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IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Besides the EU stuff (IE Bevel) who do you think really designed the DS? The Geonesians, humans, some other alien race, or was it a joint effort by the entire Confederacy? And was the original DS built for different species, or only humans? Everything looks as though it was built for only humans...but with these Confederacy aliens....I wonder who really built the thing....
I think the thing passed from it's original concept from Sienar to the Geonosians who furthered upon to the point it could be made more realistic then I think it was taken to the Maw where Bevel Lemelisk and Qwi Xux finished the thing.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.
Other than the annoying fact that people quote it like it has the same cannon weight as the movies/scripts/radio-plays.
Unless you're one of those people who had their pre-conceptions shattered like glass.
Since reading Zahns mediocure trilogy, I've avoided the rest of the EU like the plague. So you'll be glad to hear that very few of my 'pre-conceptions' have been 'shattered' in any way.
However my anti-EU stance is strengthened EVERY damn TIME I hear an EU-fanatic exulting it to the heavens.
"Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!" If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it."
- Dan Barker
Other than the annoying fact that people quote it like it has the same cannon weight as the movies/scripts/radio-plays.
How is that annoying and how is it wrong?
Only a direct contradiction can make it in error.
Since reading Zahns mediocure trilogy, I've avoided the rest of the EU like the plague. So you'll be glad to hear that very few of my 'pre-conceptions' have been 'shattered' in any way.
I see, so you have no idea whatsoever in any way what the EU is, well thanks for barging in with your uninformed comments.
And since you consider Zahns work mediocre I have no idea what you consider good? Perhaps you'd like to read some of KJA's excrement?
While Zahn's books capture the feel of Star Wars, his books feels like another dumbass voyager episode geared to fit the lowest common denonimantor, something tells me thats what you'd like.
However my anti-EU stance is strengthened EVERY damn TIME I hear an EU-fanatic exulting it to the heavens.
And my disdain for the arrogant elitists who think that they're superior because they only accept the films grows ever more to new heights.
And as it happens, I have lucasfilm and Lucas himself behind me.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.
Other than the annoying fact that people quote it like it has the same cannon weight as the movies/scripts/radio-plays.
Nobody quotes it like it has the same canon (note the lack of double-n's) weight as the movies. It appears so much because there's so much more of it. The EU is far more informative than the movies, scripts, or radio dramas could ever be, and that's why it's a far superior tool to figuring out "how things are" in the SW universe.
Since reading Zahns mediocure trilogy, I've avoided the rest of the EU like the plague. So you'll be glad to hear that very few of my 'pre-conceptions' have been 'shattered' in any way.
However my anti-EU stance is strengthened EVERY damn TIME I hear an EU-fanatic exulting it to the heavens.
Ri-i-i-i-ight.
Well, I'm glad that we can shore up your sense of superiority. I, for one, applaud your efforts to become a higher being by being contrary just for the sake of being contrary. I hear Zeus did that exact same thing. O, spare me, Great One, for I am but a lowly mortal!
(Lemme guess... you drink at Starbucks regularly and write poetry, don'tcha?)
His Divine Shadow wrote:
How is that annoying and how is it wrong?
Only a direct contradiction can make it in error.
It's annoying because I subjectivly find it annoying, live with it.
Can you find even ONE place where I've said that the EU is in 'error', when it isn't contradicting the films? You can't 'cause I've never said that, I've said most of it is crap, not that it's 'wrong', or that it can't be used in 'vs' arguments.
His Divine Shadow wrote:
I see, so you have no idea whatsoever in any way what the EU is, well thanks for barging in with your uninformed comments.
And since you consider Zahns work mediocre I have no idea what you consider good? Perhaps you'd like to read some of KJA's excrement?
While Zahn's books capture the feel of Star Wars, his books feels like another dumbass voyager episode geared to fit the lowest common denonimantor, something tells me thats what you'd like.
I know far too much about the EU, having played the WEG SW-RPG and X-wing series extensively (a lot of the EU seems to use these as sources), having read a few of the books, and having listened to 'open-minded' people like your good self.
Like to read the KJA stuff? I've taken note that nearly everyone who reads the EU says that Zahn's trilogy is the best out there. Just because I've already dipped my toe in the sewer and smelt the shit, why do you assume I want to dive all the way in?
As to Voyager (and other recent Trek junk), I havn't really watched any of it since Babylon 5 came out.
His Divine Shadow wrote:
And my disdain for the arrogant elitists who think that they're superior because they only accept the films grows ever more to new heights.
And as it happens, I have lucasfilm and Lucas himself behind me.
Arrogant? Yes.
Elitist? To some extent.
Superior? To you, maybe.
You may prefer to have Lucasfilm and Lucas sniggering behind your back, I prefer to use my own critical facilities when judging the artistic merits of their work.
SPOOFE wrote:
Nobody quotes it like it has the same canon (note the lack of double-n's) weight as the movies. It appears so much because there's so much more of it . The EU is far more informative than the movies, scripts, or radio dramas could ever be, and that's why it's a far superior tool to figuring out "how things are" in the SW universe.
Canon/Cannon - damn typo!
Fair enough to your point though, as I said before, I've never said the EU can't or shouldn't be used in these arguments. My preference is always to try and find a compromise between the films and EU if possible, though I'll not shed any tears if elements of the EU have to be discarded.
SPOOFE wrote:
Well, I'm glad that we can shore up your sense of superiority. I, for one, applaud your efforts to become a higher being by being contrary just for the sake of being contrary. I hear Zeus did that exact same thing. O, spare me, Great One, for I am but a lowly mortal!
My sense of superiority doesn't need any shoring up, thanks all the same.
No applause is necessary either, even from a lowly mortal like yourself
"Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!" If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it."
- Dan Barker
It's annoying because I subjectivly find it annoying, live with it.
Can you find even ONE place where I've said that the EU is in 'error', when it isn't contradicting the films? You can't 'cause I've never said that, I've said most of it is crap, not that it's 'wrong', or that it can't be used in 'vs' arguments.
No, because I reacted to your arrogant attitude that the EU sucks bigtime, and thats it, when it actually doesn't suck, part of it yes.
I know far too much about the EU, having played the WEG SW-RPG and X-wing series extensively (a lot of the EU seems to use these as sources), having read a few of the books, and having listened to 'open-minded' people like your good self.
Oh god, RPG's and the X-wing series crap...
There is crap but lots of it is good.
Like to read the KJA stuff? I've taken note that nearly everyone who reads the EU says that Zahn's trilogy is the best out there. Just because I've already dipped my toe in the sewer and smelt the shit, why do you assume I want to dive all the way in?
As to Voyager (and other recent Trek junk), I havn't really watched any of it since Babylon 5 came out.
And it is among the best, I don't see what kinda weird taste you have since you don't like it, it captures the SW feeling perfectly, and since it by extension is so very SW like, you probably don't like the movies either, eh? :p
Obviously the majority of people like his work and it compares well to sci-fi books of other universes too.
Then again, you can't please 'em all, though I seriously cannot understand how anyone can dislike the triology.
Superior? To you, maybe.
I doubt it though.
You may prefer to have Lucasfilm and Lucas sniggering behind your back, I prefer to use my own critical facilities when judging the artistic merits of their work.
Who says I doesn't? That I like the EU in general doesn't mean I just swallow whatever crap they throw at me, and they do throw crap, but that doesn't make me lump everything into one.
There are plenty of good SW books, like the Enemy Lines Duology by Aaron Allston and Star by Star and so on, I spose even the ICS kinda fits in here because it is a book, even though it's more canon than the EU.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.
His Divine Shadow wrote:
No, because I reacted to your arrogant attitude that the EU sucks bigtime, and thats it, when it actually doesn't suck, part of it yes.
My attitude to the EU could only be called 'arrogant' if I thought I could do better, or if I thought my opinion on the EU should over-rule this boards consensus on the canon status of the EU. Neither of these is true.
His Divine Shadow wrote:
And it is among the best, I don't see what kinda weird taste you have since you don't like it, it captures the SW feeling perfectly, and since it by extension is so very SW like, you probably don't like the movies either, eh? :p
For myself I didn't feel that it quite caught the SW 'feel', though I grant you it was reminicent of the SW-RPG and X-wing series games. I felt it was a pale shadow of the OT, and not worthy to be considered a continuation of the saga, which is what it claimed to be.
His Divine Shadow wrote:
Who says I doesn't? That I like the EU in general doesn't mean I just swallow whatever crap they throw at me, and they do throw crap, but that doesn't make me lump everything into one.
Glad to hear it, though I don't think the entire EU is crap, just 'most' of it
I quite liked some of the short stories in 'Tales of the Bounty Hunters' for instance.
His Divine Shadow wrote:
There are plenty of good SW books, like the Enemy Lines Duology by Aaron Allston and Star by Star and so on, I spose even the ICS kinda fits in here because it is a book, even though it's more canon than the EU.
I grant you the ICS is good as well, even I wouldn't want to argue with 6 megaton LIGHT turbolasers and hundred-gigaton range heavy turbolasers on a warship only a tenth the size of an ISD. (whoo-hoo!).
"Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!" If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it."
- Dan Barker
I sit somewhere in the middle in this His Divine Shadow vs Akm72 debate
Just to throw my two cents in, I too liked the Timothy Zahn trilogy, but the EU has gotten worse and worse- I don't feel it deserves much attention from George Lucas even if it was outstanding however because
It's his vision. Why should he be constrained from using his proven imagination because an EU writer gave a different account, or said that different ships are around or whatever.
I'm tired of hearing whiny EU fanboys screaming for dreadnoughts and Z-95s and VSDs in this prequel trilogy.
I don't mind the odd nod or so to the EU, but it is not necessary. I *WANT* to see all new ships and fighters. I know what a Dreadnaught looks like. What possible kick could I get out of seeing it in Episode II or III? Let Doug use his imagination! The Acclamators are much cooler anyway (we'll probably see more of them in the Ep III, considering that its set only 2-3 years after Ep 2). Ask yourself; do you really want to see a VSD? Why? As IF GL is gonna give up his imagination to cater to the preconceived notions of a VSD based off sketches done almost 30 years ago!
The Star Destroyer predecessor they design (and everyone is sure that we will see an SD predecessor) will be INFINITELY cooler than anything the EU could come up with. And it'll be in the Ep III: ICS ... with gigatons all over the place
I love seeing 'purists' as they undoutably consider themselves misquote Lucas and others in their attempt to get away from the EU. It's not as bad as a pathetic Trekkie trying to evade them, but it's still damned amusing.
Of course, I won't demand any EU ships in the movies. There's only a million member worlds out there, and if you don't realize what this means for variety of vessels, you're pretty bloody dense. I like the Acclamator, as it nicely explains the VSD-I's atmospheric flight capability, and the basic design that would be refined throughout both the films and books and comics.
But the purists continue their whines, because they have nothing else...
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Vympel wrote:
Just to throw my two cents in, I too liked the Timothy Zahn trilogy...
Well, I guess not everyone can have good taste in literature.
Vympel wrote:
It's his vision. Why should he be constrained from using his proven imagination because an EU writer gave a different account, or said that different ships are around or whatever.
I totally agree.
Vympel wrote:
I'm tired of hearing whiny EU fanboys screaming for dreadnoughts and Z-95s and VSDs in this prequel trilogy.
Again I agree, especially as a lot of these WEG EU spacecraft are based on discarded design sketches that were judged not good enough for the OT.
Vympel wrote:
The Star Destroyer predecessor they design (and everyone is sure that we will see an SD predecessor) will be INFINITELY cooler than anything the EU could come up with. And it'll be in the Ep III: ICS ... with gigatons all over the place
Let's hope so!
"Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!" If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it."
- Dan Barker
AKM, you avoid the EU, yet have read not only Thrawn's trilogy but most of X-wing series? Hmmm....... if I didnt know any better I'd say there is a canon side of you and an EU side of you. You talk one way and then the other? Which comment is your canon comment?
I like Shadow's idea the best of any. I still think you can easily make a case for Bevel Lemelisk and creating the Death Star. He was a scientist who also constructed the Death Star. The Maw was the installation that created the first Death Star, and in no way does Episode II take away from this.
I think DC likes to fuck around with the fans, he wants to demonstrate his power to disregard the EU, that's why we didn't see any dreadnoughts in AOTC, and that is also why we won't see any VicStars or Republican TIE fighters in EIII.
yeah, I wanted to see the forces of the republic as being similar to the later empire, as that is what it is supposed to evolve to, I really wanted to see the old classes of Tie fighters and VSD.
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Talon Karrde wrote:AKM, you avoid the EU, yet have read not only Thrawn's trilogy but most of X-wing series? Hmmm....... if I didnt know any better I'd say there is a canon side of you and an EU side of you. You talk one way and then the other? Which comment is your canon comment?
AARRRRGGGGG!!!!
My EU side is well hidden at the back of a cupboard, no-one must know!
Actually I was refering to the X-wing/TIE-fighter series of PC games, rather than the books
"Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!" If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it."
- Dan Barker
I have read probably 90% of the EU novels and seen a shit load of refrence material, and I don't think I have ever come across ONE piece that at some point, usually multiple times that did not contradict the movies. I'm not talking about getting soemone's hair wrong, or describing them different. I'm talking about major shit. Almost the entire reason I dislike the EU, and don't care if GL pisses all over it, is because they always parade around the fact that they stick to continuity and follow the movies. Even though it's blatantly obvious that they have never even seen the movies once. If you were to write a Star Wars novel of ANY kind, these would be the requirements I would see you needing.
1. Copy of the movies
2. Watching all the movies a million times
3. The old scripts
4. The novelisations
5. radio dramas
6. Vis Dics and ICS
7. other EU material
at the least be able to argue any trekkie down with your sheer amount of knowledge from the movies. It's got to be the most frustrating thing to already be reading a mediocre book, and then get hitched on a damn error in the books.
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DG_Cal_Wright wrote:I have read probably 90% of the EU novels and seen a shit load of refrence material, and I don't think I have ever come across ONE piece that at some point, usually multiple times that did not contradict the movies. I'm not talking about getting soemone's hair wrong, or describing them different. I'm talking about major shit.
And I have not seen any such things beyond the 8000m Executor thing.
Infact I have seen the reverse and until you provide proof that 90% of the EU contradicts the movies I won't consider that anymore than a false sweeping statement.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.
I simply look at it this way....The EU is nice to have as a bone for the rabid fans (like myself) to gnaw on, but should in no way dictate what Lucasfilm puts on the screen.
As for the quality of the EU, well it has it's ups and its downs (More downs than ups in my opinion) however I think the damned comics are the worst of them all
You talk one way and then the other? Which comment is your canon comment? 
