First 'anti-stab' knife to go on sale in Britain

[Isolder74]

Really.

What? I can't stab anyone with this? Useless!

Well, when you consider that people buy dedicated weapons that they can use to blow holes in people from a hundred yards off (lolhomedefense) simply because they can do so, wanting a tool that can serve as a stabbing weapon in a pinch isn't really all that unreasonable...

My serrated cake knife(2 feet long) would serve as a better weapon then my boning knife in home defense and it doesn't have a point.

[Jaepheth]

You can't stab people with straight razors either.



Yet you still have the term "Glasgow smile" or "Chelsea smile."

[[R_H]]

That's pretty much what I was driving at earlier. Unless they make this type of design a "standard" for knives in that country and go out of their way to replace existing knife sets I see it doing fuck all for crimes with a kitchen knife. At best it's a useless novelty item.

"It was invented by industrial designer John Cornock, who was inspired by a documentary in which doctors advocated banning traditional knives"

[RedImperator]

It's a shit knife. The handle is made of cheap plastic--you can tell just by looking at it--and there are no studs holding it to the blade. And on top of that, it's absolutely worthless if you plan to use proper technique (and you should; it's amazing how much easier cooking becomes when you know how to handle your knife properly). For $100 US, you can do a lot better.

[His Divine Shadow]

That's a rather mediocre price for a "good" knife. Good quality knifes, especially larger ones, can easily top that.
Cheap knifes usually tend to be, well, cheap.

Yeah well if I spent 40-50 bucks on a knife I would get one with a point (I have lots of uses for the points when I am in the kitchen) and not think "gee what if I go insane one day..."

Besides

[Dark Flame]

Just to imagine what would happen if their dream scenario came to pass and every knife was magically replaced with the "anti-stab" knife, what would happen in a domestic violence situation?

I'm guessing that since everyone knows these knives are less able to stab, they simply grab another weapon. Like that x-ray shows, lots of things can cause lots of damage.

Seems to me like a failure as a crime-stopper, a failure as a kitchen tool, and a failure as a cost-effective knife.

[Fr33ze]

It'd be more effective to ban all type of guns than advertising some non-point knives.

[TheLostVikings]

Just to imagine what would happen if their dream scenario came to pass and every knife was magically replaced with the "anti-stab" knife, what would happen in a domestic violence situation?

I'm guessing that since everyone knows these knives are less able to stab, they simply grab another weapon. Like that x-ray shows, lots of things can cause lots of damage.

Seems to me like a failure as a crime-stopper, a failure as a kitchen tool, and a failure as a cost-effective knife.

Why on earth would they grab another weapon when slashing wildly in front you with this "safe" knife easily kills anyone not wearing plate-mail armor? It's not like the lack of point magically removes the rest of the edge...

Breaking News! British inventor creates a new edgeless knife, in fact it has no blade at all. Totally safe. News at 11.

[[R_H]]

It'd be more effective to ban all type of guns than advertising some non-point knives.

I assume you are aware of how difficult it is to get a firearm in Great Britain. And yet criminals still have access to handguns (smuggled in from mainland Europe).

[Sea Skimmer]

It'd be more effective to ban all type of guns than advertising some non-point knives.

The UK records three times more murders with knifes and edged weapons each year compared to gun murders, and almost all gun murders involve weapons illegally obtained. So no, banning all types of guns will not accomplish anything, because the UK has already gone 99% of the way to doing that and about the only things that are left are certain long rifles, and long shotguns without magazines.

[Fr33ze]

I was saying a gun can kill a person much more easily than a knife can. Besides, the following article seems quite shocking already (the title is in the link):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... y-day.html

and knife/ edged -weapon murders will be more than tripled?!

[General Zod]

That's pretty much what I was driving at earlier. Unless they make this type of design a "standard" for knives in that country and go out of their way to replace existing knife sets I see it doing fuck all for crimes with a kitchen knife. At best it's a useless novelty item.

"It was invented by industrial designer John Cornock, who was inspired by a documentary in which doctors advocated banning traditional knives"

I fail to see what this has to do with my point.

[Wing Commander MAD]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't slashing someone to death be alot harder than stabbing someone, barring major arteries or veins being cut of course? Even if these replaced all knives, won't this lead to simple a shift in domestic violence from lacerations and puncture wounds to blunt force trauma, or do you Brits not use frying pans? Seriously, I thought this overprotective BS was more of an American thing, particularrly amoungst yuppies and soccer moms. Is this a similar demographic, or was I wrong in thinking that other English speaking countries were more sane than mine when it came to stupid shit like this? Whats next, non serated grapefruit spoons?

[Broomstick]

Every now and then something leaps out of the Internet and slaps me, reminding me that even those with a common language can have vast cultural gulfs. A non-stabbing knife? Seriously?

I live in an area where it is legal for me to openly purchase sufficient firearms to outfit a small militia. I legally set off explosives in my backyard every 4th of July (I like the pretty sparkly ones, not so much the !BOOM! ones). There is a crossbow hanging on my bedroom wall, with extra arrows in the top dresser drawer. Somehow, I'm just not that worried about knives, ya know? Anyone showing up in this neighborhood with a knife may be armed, but they don't have the advantage. At the very least it had better be as intimidating as my machete.

For that matter, I was knocking down some weeds that got out of control on one of my landlord's properties that were far too tall for the powered lawnmowers to handle (It's been a good year for the native grasses and weeds - it's only June and they're pushing 2 meters already). Someone asked me if I was worried about working in "that neighborhood". Fuck no - I've got a fucking scythe in my hands, anyone bothers me I'll grim reaper his ass.

Seriously? Someone wants to ban kitchen knives? I confess my kneejerk reaction is "that's fucking retarded".

[His Divine Shadow]

I would say this is a very british thing btw, definitely not a euro thing, despite our relative closeness to britain. So there's quite the culturual divide on both sides.

[Starglider]

The 'can't use this as a weapon' angle is bizarre. The normal reason for knives with rounded ends is to reduce accidents, particularly knocking it off a work surface and stabbing a leg, pet or child. This is quite worthwhile, because a knife falling a couple of feet will only make a shallow cut but can make quite a deep stab wound.

[General Zod]

The 'can't use this as a weapon' angle is bizarre. The normal reason for knives with rounded ends is to reduce accidents, particularly knocking it off a work surface and stabbing a leg, pet or child. This is quite worthwhile, because a knife falling a couple of feet will only make a shallow cut but can make quite a deep stab wound.

I could see a marketing angle for safety of handling knives around children if for some reason you insist on cutting stuff up while they're around in the kitchen. It seems bizarre that the makers of this knife think anyone will buy one with the line of thought "Hey, there's no point. That means robbers can't use it against me. . .as effectively as they could if it had a point." So, any guess what happens if a robber grabs someone, takes the rounded knife and holds the edge to their throat? They take the edges away from the knives too?

[aerius]

If you still need to stab someone, I suppose there's always shish kabob skewers.

Or icepicks, as anyone who's seen Basic Instinct knows.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't slashing someone to death be alot harder than stabbing someone, barring major arteries or veins being cut of course?

If the person knows what he's doing it's not that much harder. It'll take longer and be a lot more bloody though.

[[R_H]]

That's pretty much what I was driving at earlier. Unless they make this type of design a "standard" for knives in that country and go out of their way to replace existing knife sets I see it doing fuck all for crimes with a kitchen knife. At best it's a useless novelty item.

"It was invented by industrial designer John Cornock, who was inspired by a documentary in which doctors advocated banning traditional knives"

I fail to see what this has to do with my point.

I see what you mean.

[Korvan]

If they ever make a whole set of these, I would get them for my soon-to-be mother-in-law. When she was last over for dinner and helping with the clean-up, she loaded up the dishwasher with all the steak knives point up. She claimed they washed better that way while I pointed out that there had been actual deaths due to people tripping and impaling themselves on a self-made punji trap in the dishwasher.

[Isolder74]

If they ever make a whole set of these, I would get them for my soon-to-be mother-in-law. When she was last over for dinner and helping with the clean-up, she loaded up the dishwasher with all the steak knives point up. She claimed they washed better that way while I pointed out that there had been actual deaths due to people tripping and impaling themselves on a self-made punji trap in the dishwasher.

Better yet, never wash knives in the dishwasher at all. It is to harsh on the edge and it ruins the handles. Do them by hand it is worth the extra work, TRUST ME!

[Starglider]

So, any guess what happens if a robber grabs someone, takes the rounded knife and holds the edge to their throat? They take the edges away from the knives too?

Clearly the only solution is to replace hand-held cutting implements with fixed, counter mounted power tools. I'd certainly be more inclined to cook if it involved the use of circular and band saws

[Kamakazie Sith]

If you still need to stab someone, I suppose there's always shish kabob skewers.

Or icepicks, as anyone who's seen Basic Instinct knows.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't slashing someone to death be alot harder than stabbing someone, barring major arteries or veins being cut of course?

If the person knows what he's doing it's not that much harder. It'll take longer and be a lot more bloody though.

The thing is most people don't know what they are doing when they attack with a knife. Most fatal attacks with a knife are due to stabbing.

That being said this idea would be a good one if they had a plan for removing knives that are capable of stabbing from Britain.

[Broomstick]

Sure... after that they can get to removing all the sharp pointy sticks from Britain....

If you take one weapon away the deranged, angry, murderous people will find another weapon, even if it's just a bare fist. It's treating a symptom and not the cause of the fury that causes such violence in the first place.

[Korvan]

If they ever make a whole set of these, I would get them for my soon-to-be mother-in-law. When she was last over for dinner and helping with the clean-up, she loaded up the dishwasher with all the steak knives point up. She claimed they washed better that way while I pointed out that there had been actual deaths due to people tripping and impaling themselves on a self-made punji trap in the dishwasher.

Better yet, never wash knives in the dishwasher at all. It is to harsh on the edge and it ruins the handles. Do them by hand it is worth the extra work, TRUST ME!

Thanks for the tip! My knives are pretty cheap tho, got a 25 piece set for $18 from a liquidation sale when I was a student. They do cut well for the price and have held up well for over 10 years now. I am surprised that I haven't snapped one in two yet as the blades are really thin.