Japan has ultra-rightists?!

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-08 08:10pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:I've heard of a crazy instance where German PoWs were allowed in a restaurant in America, but the restaurant would refuse to serve a black couple.

EDIT: Now that I think about it more, I believe it was even a black soldier!

It was a group of Black soldiers on leave. The POW's where a work gang under guard.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2003-02-08 08:27pm

Aha...was that in NYC?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2003-02-08 08:29pm

In some parts of England, the Black American troops were treated better by the locals than the White American troops were. Got invited to more dances, parties, etc...

Most Brits were disgusted with the American treatment of their Black soldiers.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2003-02-08 08:31pm

Good. At least they got a break somewhere.

EDIT: Being that the Brits treated the blacks better, were there any blacks that joined their military instead?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-08 08:35pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Aha...was that in NYC?

No, rural south. Tennessee I think.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2003-02-08 08:43pm

Hmm...I seem to remember it took place in NYC. Maybe it's a different scenario I'm thinking of. Were there any German PoWs in NYC? Why would there be? No....couldn't be...why would they be in the city? I guess you're right.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-08 09:34pm

Obviously the POWs.The americans do not really give a damn shit about what the japanese did in China,which make what they did to the POWs disappear in comparison, except mentioning Nanking or little else to pretend that they care.
And of course after 50 years of undeclared wars and after having made preemption the national strategy they still are angered about Pearl Harbour.
Pathetic.

What you seem to glibbly dismiss is the fact the it was Japan's aggression in Asia that prompted the United States to enact embargoes, which in turn prompted Japan to attack the U.S.!
Have you ever asked a Vietnamese, Korean, or Chinese their thoughts on this situation, smartass?
Do you delude yourself into thinking the Pacific war was somehow those "caveman" American's fault?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-08 09:37pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Hmm...I seem to remember it took place in NYC. Maybe it's a different scenario I'm thinking of. Were there any German PoWs in NYC? Why would there be? No....couldn't be...why would they be in the city? I guess you're right.

Defiantly not NYC. The US kept POW's in the Midwest and South, where there was both lots of space for prison camps and fields where they could be put to work. Some, where kept further west, but none anywhere close to the east or west coast.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2003-02-08 09:49pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Defiantly not NYC.

Defiantly not or definitely not? lol

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-02-09 12:25am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Aha...was that in NYC?
No, rural south. Tennessee I think.

Mississippi, I think.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-02-09 12:36am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Hmm...I seem to remember it took place in NYC. Maybe it's a different scenario I'm thinking of. Were there any German PoWs in NYC? Why would there be? No....couldn't be...why would they be in the city? I guess you're right.
Defiantly not NYC. The US kept POW's in the Midwest and South, where there was both lots of space for prison camps and fields where they could be put to work. Some, where kept further west, but none anywhere close to the east or west coast.

I thought some German POW's were put to work in PA ? I guess that is technically not the East Coast though.

Admiral Piett · Post by **Admiral Piett** » 2003-02-09 02:23am

Frank Hipper wrote:What you seem to glibbly dismiss is the fact the it was Japan's aggression in Asia that prompted the United States to enact embargoes, which in turn prompted Japan to attack the U.S.!
Have you ever asked a Vietnamese, Korean, or Chinese their thoughts on this situation, smartass?
Do you delude yourself into thinking the Pacific war was somehow those "caveman" American's fault?

Oh,sure,at the high level politics that is true.But do you delude yourself into thinking that the average american did care about what the japanese were doing in Korea? Do not make me laugh.If you asked to the average american at the time about the war do you expect that would have mentioned China? No, you would have heard a rant about the day of the infamy,bla bla.Guess what? the japanese used routinely chinese prisoners for bayonet training.
The USA estasblished embargoes on oil,scrap metal etc.In a stroke of genius the assholes in charge at Tokio decided to declare war on a nation with seventeen times the national income,bringing a much deserved smackdown on themselves,albeit unfortunately not enough.That is all.

NF_Utvol wrote: I don't know where you read your history. The Germans, especially towards the end of the war, normally put their prisoners on forced marches, they were underfed, and they were forced to work in military industries. I suggest you read the book 'We Were Each Other's Prisoners'. It has first hand interviews with German and American POWs. The German POWs in America were, overall, treated accordingly to the Geneva Convention. The Germans, generally, didn't really care about the Geneva Convention. There were even American's that were stuck in some of the Concentration Camps, believe it or not. There were American soldiers in the Holocaust.

The fact that in the same period they were running low on supplies maybe it should be mentioned as well.Needless to say putting prisoners in concentration camps or using them as workforce was standard practice for everyone at the time.Sometimes allied prisoners were put in the same locations as with jews.But tell to me,were they gassed?
Now,if you look to what they did to the russian POWs...

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-09 04:52am

But do you delude yourself into thinking that the average american did care about what the japanese were doing in Korea? Do not make me laugh.If you asked to the average american at the time about the war do you expect that would have mentioned China?

I would be suprised if the average american had even heard of Korea at that time. But China is a somewhat different story. The Japanese invasion of China was well reported, and despised in the U.S.
The American volunteer group was fighting in China for some time before the begining of the war, and they weren't there just for the hatred of the Japanese, there was very real and sincere sympathy for what was going on.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-02-09 05:29am

Do you ever actually read history books, or look at period documents, or maybe look up ACTUAL FACTS about history before you go spouting off your theories? The Japanese atrocities in China were well known in this country by the general public and the Japanese government was despised for them (there's a very famous short documentary film from the time detailing the entire Sino-Japanese war, from the Marco Polo bridge incident to the great westward migration of Chinese industry and civilians, which makes the Chinese out to be valiant and heroic for resisting the invaders). Not to mention the Flying Tigers and other volunteer American forces in China. After Pearl Harbor, people were probably more pissed off about that than China, but that's understandable, considering the circumstances.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-02-09 05:37am

weemadando wrote:The Japanese have always had an ultra-far right.

Now they are getting more powerful due to them being allowed to operate more publically.

My step brother has found an amusing way to stop such talk, and that is to mention mushrom season in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-09 05:41am

RedImperator wrote:Do you ever actually read history books, or look at period documents, or maybe look up ACTUAL FACTS about history before you go spouting off your theories? The Japanese atrocities in China were well known in this country by the general public and the Japanese government was despised for them (there's a very famous short documentary film from the time detailing the entire Sino-Japanese war, from the Marco Polo bridge incident to the great westward migration of Chinese industry and civilians, which makes the Chinese out to be valiant and heroic for resisting the invaders). Not to mention the Flying Tigers and other volunteer American forces in China. After Pearl Harbor, people were probably more pissed off about that than China, but that's understandable, considering the circumstances.

Jesus, you're not talking to me are you? If so, I think you misunderstood what I said.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-02-09 05:42am

You would think that the Russians could just look at the size of their land mass, and then look at Japan and say, "here you go, we have enough land as it is." Silly Russians, just give them the stupid islands.

Same with China. Do they really need Taiwan? I mean, really?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-02-09 05:46am

And for that matter, can you Canandians just concede your country to us Americans? I mean, really now, you guys are just America Jr. anyway...

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-09 06:02am

Superman wrote:And for that matter, can you Canandians just concede your country to us Americans? I mean, really now, you guys are just America Jr. anyway...

Might want to watch that, bub. Canada bashing is good way to get yo' ass burnt around here.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-02-09 06:07am

I was just being silly. That wasn't a serious remark. I was hoping people would read my little pseudo rant there and just go with it.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-02-09 06:07am

I was just being silly. That wasn't a serious remark. I was hoping people would read my little pseudo rant there and just go with it.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-09 08:02am

A lot of people around here are fed up to here with Canada jokes. They've heard 'em all, billions and billions of times.

Admiral Piett · Post by **Admiral Piett** » 2003-02-09 08:40am

RedImperator wrote:The Japanese atrocities in China were well known in this country by the general public and the Japanese government was despised for them

It may well be.But then I wonder why after 50 years that should give a more clear perspective the main complains that are still made about the japanese are still centered around Pearl Harbour (which was after all nothing more than an attack on a military installation) or the death march.It is understandable maybe,but trust me what happened to the american POWs is nothing compared to what happened to their chinese counterparts.