Borg Vs Lightsabers

AnyOneisGod · Post by **AnyOneisGod** » 2003-02-08 09:33pm

Could they addept?[/b]

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-02-08 09:42pm

No, Lightsabres, if I'm not mistaken, do not work on frequencies.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-02-08 09:50pm

AnyOneisGod wrote:Could they addept?[/b]

Likely not...

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-02-08 10:16pm

Insufficient data, but there is no reason to assume that they could. The Borg tend to have trouble adapting to anything but frequency-specific beam weapons (and torpedos, I suppose).

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2003-02-08 10:56pm

Based on Qui-Gon's cutting through of the blast doors in TPM, a lightsaber has an output of 320 MW. That's more energy than is put out by some starships that can rock the Enterprise (TNG: Conundrum). Assuming a shield takes at least as much energy to stop energy (reasonable, I think) that would mean a drone would need more power than some ship's weapon systems. I would say it's an effective "no."

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-08 10:59pm

Mind you, lightsabres are the weapon of a Jedi or Sith, and a Jedi or Sith doesn't even need a lightsabre to kill a Borg anyway.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-02-08 11:11pm

AnyOneisGod wrote:Could they addept?[/b]

Yeah they could adapt. They could adapt to getting cut into tiny little pieces.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-02-09 05:30am

I say that they may be able to adapt to a lightsaber, but let's not forget that the Jedi's powers probably work to enhance the weapon's efficacy. More data may be needed.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-02-09 06:00am

OK, when I used to play the Star Wars RPG I remember that the Jedi's power levels DO affect the power output of the light saber. The sabers had a base power level and then they could increase based on the Jedi or Sith who wields it. Is that canon? If it is, then Borg may only be able to adapt to the light saber under certain conditions.

If I picked up a light saber and started swinging it at Borg drones, they may indeed be able to adapt since I possess no force abilities. On the other hand, perhaps the power output changes when a Jedi or Sith wields it.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-09 08:00am

Super i don't know what you've been smoking but you need to get one thing straight Star Wars RPG's are one of the lowest forms of cannon. In many of the EU books, Which are rated much higher on the Canon Scale, Luke and other Jedi go to great pains to demonstrate the Jedi in no way used the force to enhance the blade. They DO use the force in construction of the weapon as demonstrated by Corran Horn in I, Jedi.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-02-09 08:28am

While we accept most of the RPG things if they're not contradicted, this lightsaber power thingy belongs to game mechanics and is to be disregarded.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-02-09 08:44am

Lowest forms of canon? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Is it canon or not?

Well, if the light saber is the light saber is the light saber, regardless of force proficiancy, then I guess I am wrong.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-09 08:57am

You see there are levels of Canon and the higher canon over-rides the information stated in lower cannon. So if something is said in an RPG but gets contridicted in a EU book then the EU book is canon and the RPG is ignored.

ali-sama · Post by **ali-sama** » 2003-02-09 09:23am

Sonnenburg wrote:Based on Qui-Gon's cutting through of the blast doors in TPM, a lightsaber has an output of 320 MW. That's more energy than is put out by some starships that can rock the Enterprise (TNG: Conundrum). Assuming a shield takes at least as much energy to stop energy (reasonable, I think) that would mean a drone would need more power than some ship's weapon systems. I would say it's an effective "no."

that is like comparing a 2.2ghz phone to a 2.2 ghz pc.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-09 01:10pm

No, because the saber partially uses the Force. The Force itself is not a from of energy in the traditional way. For all we know, a Jedi or Sith could use the mind trick on the whole Collective.

Luke Starkiller · Post by **Luke Starkiller** » 2003-02-09 01:13pm

ali-sama wrote:
Sonnenburg wrote:Based on Qui-Gon's cutting through of the blast doors in TPM, a lightsaber has an output of 320 MW. That's more energy than is put out by some starships that can rock the Enterprise (TNG: Conundrum). Assuming a shield takes at least as much energy to stop energy (reasonable, I think) that would mean a drone would need more power than some ship's weapon systems. I would say it's an effective "no."
that is like comparing a 2.2ghz phone to a 2.2 ghz pc.

Not really, in your example the 2.2GHz are measures of different things. The 320MW figure is a measure of sustainable power.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-02-09 01:16pm

ali-sama wrote:
Sonnenburg wrote:Based on Qui-Gon's cutting through of the blast doors in TPM, a lightsaber has an output of 320 MW. That's more energy than is put out by some starships that can rock the Enterprise (TNG: Conundrum). Assuming a shield takes at least as much energy to stop energy (reasonable, I think) that would mean a drone would need more power than some ship's weapon systems. I would say it's an effective "no."
that is like comparing a 2.2ghz phone to a 2.2 ghz pc.

In the words of Rigel the XVI Dominar of the Hienerian Empire: "You only reveal your ignorance..."

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-02-09 01:19pm

No, because the saber partially uses the Force.

Oh really?

So was Han Solo using the Force when he used Luke's (Anakin's) saber to cut open the Taun Taun in ESB?

How about Luke, when he was taking practice swings with it in Obi-Wan's hut in ANH?

There is no evidence (see B Squared's excellent page on lightsabers in Mike's links section) that use of the force is required to build a lightsaber... before I, Jedi that is. It appears to be a brain bug.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-02-09 01:20pm

Hell.. by that logic then a lightsaber should be useless in the presence of Ysalamari. Is it? I think we know the answer to that...

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-09 01:23pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:No, because the saber partially uses the Force.

No it doesn't

The Force itself is not a from of energy in the traditional way. For all we know, a Jedi or Sith could use the mind trick on the whole Collective.

No they couldn't.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-02-09 01:28pm

*scratches head* Funny, I don't recall any part of WEG saying you must be a Jedi or Sith to use a Saber, only that you can increase the damage it does if you are one. But I suppose I shouldn't point out people using red herrings?

ali-sama · Post by **ali-sama** » 2003-02-09 05:04pm

Luke Starkiller wrote:
ali-sama wrote:
Sonnenburg wrote:Based on Qui-Gon's cutting through of the blast doors in TPM, a lightsaber has an output of 320 MW. That's more energy than is put out by some starships that can rock the Enterprise (TNG: Conundrum). Assuming a shield takes at least as much energy to stop energy (reasonable, I think) that would mean a drone would need more power than some ship's weapon systems. I would say it's an effective "no."
that is like comparing a 2.2ghz phone to a 2.2 ghz pc.
Not really, in your example the 2.2GHz are measures of different things. The 320MW figure is a measure of sustainable power.

ok. an analogy. Take a car. an average compact one.

1: you kick it.

2: you hi tit with a metal bat

3: you hit itwith a popick axe.

now. you make sure each of them have the same force.

what happems? the kick will shake the car. make a dent at worst. the bat will dent the car. the axe however wil cut trhoguh the armor.
now. lets go back to the original situation. you have aship in 0 g. hit by a force, which is tightly focused. please read up newton.

ali-sama · Post by **ali-sama** » 2003-02-09 05:05pm

NecronLord wrote:
ali-sama wrote:
Sonnenburg wrote:Based on Qui-Gon's cutting through of the blast doors in TPM, a lightsaber has an output of 320 MW. That's more energy than is put out by some starships that can rock the Enterprise (TNG: Conundrum). Assuming a shield takes at least as much energy to stop energy (reasonable, I think) that would mean a drone would need more power than some ship's weapon systems. I would say it's an effective "no."
that is like comparing a 2.2ghz phone to a 2.2 ghz pc.
In the words of Rigel the XVI Dominar of the Hienerian Empire: "You only reveal your ignorance..."

thank you sir for enlightnignme that a light sabre and a particle beam are the same.

mauldooku · Post by **mauldooku** » 2003-02-09 05:24pm

...huh?

ali-sama · Post by **ali-sama** » 2003-02-09 05:37pm

Badme wrote:...huh?

who are you replying to. please at leat quote them. otherwise you cause more confusion.

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