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Hugeass Metro (DC) Pileup, at least 70 injured, 9 dead
So I was driving home from the Navy Yard (where I got a parking ticket from the Yard Cops for parking illegally); and along the way, I saw a hell of a lot of ambulances appearing near the MD/DC state line and cops too.
When I get home I find out that there's a hugeass pileup.
Scariliy enough, it was near the Fort Totten Station on the Red Line; which I take to get from Glenmont to the Navy Yard on the Green Line.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A rush-hour collision Monday between two Metro trains north of downtown Washington, D.C., killed at least four people and injured scores, Mayor Adrian Fenty said.
At least four people were killed when two Metro trains collided near Washington, the city's mayor says.
The deaths are the most for one incident in the history of the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority, Fenty said.
The crash happened just before 5 p.m. on an above-ground track on the Red Line near Takoma Park, Maryland, according to the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority.
More than 60 people were taken to a hospital, said Washington Fire Chief Dennis Rubin. Watch report from the scene »
"With the four confirmed fatalities, it is my preliminary understanding that this would be then the deadliest accident in the history of our Metro train transit system," Fenty said at a news conference Monday evening.
Video from CNN affiliate WJLA shows much of one Metro car on top of another. Both trains were on the same track, and one of them was stationary when the crash happened, said John Catoe, Metro general manager.
Emergency personnel helped injured passengers, some on stretchers, from the wreckage, video from WUSA shows. Watch injured passengers limp from the scene »
Fire department personnel were cutting through the trains to help people from the wreckage, officials said at a press briefing.
Those who want information regarding passengers on the train can call the D.C. emergency line at (202) 727-9099.
Jodie Wickett, a nurse who was a passenger on one of the trains, said she was was texting on her phone when she felt a bump.
"About 5-10 seconds later, the train came to a complete halt -- we went flying," Jodie Wickett said.
She said she went through some of the cars, trying to help people.
"There was debris and people pinned underneath," she said.
Ten to 15 minutes passed before she saw emergency personnel, she said.
Groups of people wearing green plastic ribbons to show they had been checked by paramedics left the crash scene about 90 minutes after the crash. Some were crying, and a woman with her arm in a sling who gave her name as Tijuana described the crash as "an earthquake."
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When I get home I find out that there's a hugeass pileup.
Scariliy enough, it was near the Fort Totten Station on the Red Line; which I take to get from Glenmont to the Navy Yard on the Green Line.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A rush-hour collision Monday between two Metro trains north of downtown Washington, D.C., killed at least four people and injured scores, Mayor Adrian Fenty said.
At least four people were killed when two Metro trains collided near Washington, the city's mayor says.
The deaths are the most for one incident in the history of the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority, Fenty said.
The crash happened just before 5 p.m. on an above-ground track on the Red Line near Takoma Park, Maryland, according to the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority.
More than 60 people were taken to a hospital, said Washington Fire Chief Dennis Rubin. Watch report from the scene »
"With the four confirmed fatalities, it is my preliminary understanding that this would be then the deadliest accident in the history of our Metro train transit system," Fenty said at a news conference Monday evening.
Video from CNN affiliate WJLA shows much of one Metro car on top of another. Both trains were on the same track, and one of them was stationary when the crash happened, said John Catoe, Metro general manager.
Emergency personnel helped injured passengers, some on stretchers, from the wreckage, video from WUSA shows. Watch injured passengers limp from the scene »
Fire department personnel were cutting through the trains to help people from the wreckage, officials said at a press briefing.
Those who want information regarding passengers on the train can call the D.C. emergency line at (202) 727-9099.
Jodie Wickett, a nurse who was a passenger on one of the trains, said she was was texting on her phone when she felt a bump.
"About 5-10 seconds later, the train came to a complete halt -- we went flying," Jodie Wickett said.
She said she went through some of the cars, trying to help people.
"There was debris and people pinned underneath," she said.
Ten to 15 minutes passed before she saw emergency personnel, she said.
Groups of people wearing green plastic ribbons to show they had been checked by paramedics left the crash scene about 90 minutes after the crash. Some were crying, and a woman with her arm in a sling who gave her name as Tijuana described the crash as "an earthquake."
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Re: Hugeass Metro (DC) Pileup, at least 70 injured, 4 dead
I take the Metro regularly...
This is very scary to me, espescially since this isn't the first time Metrorail trains have derailed. It seems to happen fairly frequently
This is very scary to me, espescially since this isn't the first time Metrorail trains have derailed. It seems to happen fairly frequently
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They preempted national news coverage for this in the DC area; all the channels are covering this nonstop now. What they are saying now is one train was waiting at a signal when the second one plowed into it from behind. It was at a straight section of track and so far there is no indication that the second train tried to brake. One of the dead is confirmed as the train operator whose train rear ended the stopped train. Luckily both trains were heading into DC. At the time of the accident outbound trains would have been absolutely packed.
On a personal note I kind of thought I was paranoid for never staying in the rear or first car of a metro train when I could avoid it. I always figured that if there was an accident the people in those cars would be screwed. I guess being careful never hurts .
On a personal note I kind of thought I was paranoid for never staying in the rear or first car of a metro train when I could avoid it. I always figured that if there was an accident the people in those cars would be screwed. I guess being careful never hurts .
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They broke into the news here in Chicago with it, too, and the BBC has something on it. Apparently it's national/international.
Chicago has had this sort of accident, too, and I rode commuter trains to work for nearly 25 years so I can empathize. I used to enjoy the first or last cars for the views but at a certain point I stopped riding in the very end cars when I could avoid them. Bad things can happen to the middle of a train, too, but it sure seems like the end cars have it the worst most often.
Chicago has had this sort of accident, too, and I rode commuter trains to work for nearly 25 years so I can empathize. I used to enjoy the first or last cars for the views but at a certain point I stopped riding in the very end cars when I could avoid them. Bad things can happen to the middle of a train, too, but it sure seems like the end cars have it the worst most often.
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^ I may just start doing that. I was on the Red Line just a few days ago. I don't take the Metro that often but once or twice a month isn't unusual.
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Its not funny but as a semi-humorous anecdote on Mondays and Thursday I almost always ride the red line. However the segment I'm on is entirely underground and away from this track but the red line nonetheless. When I was getting read to leave coming home today my wife, my mother in law, one of my bosses, and a friend in the area all called to tell me not to take Metro home. I reassured them that I forgot my SmarTrip and had to take the car so I would be fine.
So the word spread pretty damn fast because those four calls were within about a 10-min timeframe.
On the other side of things I am almost always in the first or last car because my two stops (Metro Center and Union Station) the front/rear, depending upon direction, are the closest to my exit out of the station. On an afternoon like this an outboudn train until it reaches Union Station is absolutely crammed full in the first car because of all the commuter train folks like me.
So the word spread pretty damn fast because those four calls were within about a 10-min timeframe.
On the other side of things I am almost always in the first or last car because my two stops (Metro Center and Union Station) the front/rear, depending upon direction, are the closest to my exit out of the station. On an afternoon like this an outboudn train until it reaches Union Station is absolutely crammed full in the first car because of all the commuter train folks like me.
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So it looks like it's both "Operator error"(which I suspect is code word for "she was texting at the time"...seriously, how hard would it be to pull her cell phone records?) and a faulty sensor. Nice.
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From Times Online:
See how the train is up in the air? One person is pulling a stretcher up to where he is, with the people standing between the upper and lower sections are on the roof (or what's left of it) of the lower train--there is no longer any floor to the part of the one train that climbed over the other. Its undercarriage is somewhere under and/or perhaps inside of the train on the bottom. You can imagine that perhaps most of the fatalities were in that area of the upper train and the part where its undercarriage entered the car of the other.
Look at this picture from The Washington Post:June 24, 2009
Investigators sift through rail crash wreckage in Washington DC
Tom Baldwin in Washington
Experts were today sifting through the wreckage of a Washington DC train crash that killed at least nine people to discover what went wrong with computerised fail-safe systems supposed to make such accidents impossible.
The collision of two trains during yesterday evening’s rush hour on the northeast border between Washington and Maryland was the deadliest incident in the 33-year history of the Metrorail service.
The trains had been heading towards downtown Washington at about 5pm. One was stopped on the track waiting to arrive at the Fort Totten station when a second train smashed into the back of it.
Several of the dead were crushed and their bodies were not found until a crane removed sections of the train this morning. At least 76 people were injured, including two who are in critical condition.
The impact of the crash was so powerful that the striking train was compressed to about one third of its original size, Adrian Fenty, the Mayor of Washington, said.
John Catoe, the general manager of the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority, also known as the Metro, confirmed that the death toll had risen from seven to at least nine. “The scene is one that no one should ever see. There is unbelievable destruction and damage,” he said, adding: “what I saw was far worse than anything you can imagine”.
The only previous fatal accident on this fast and clean subway rail system was in January 1982 when three people died in a derailment.
Metrorail was designed with a signal system which uses on-board computers to control speed and automatically applies brakes to maintain a safe distance between trains.
Debbie Hersman, of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), said: “We need to see if that system was actually what was being used at the time and if there were any faults. We’re going to be looking at the tracks, at the signal system and at the train operation to understand what happened.”
She said that the priority will be to find any event recorders that may have been on the trains. “The older series cars are not likely to have any good recording devices on them. The newer cars would.”
The NTSB had previously recommended that older cars should be upgraded with better data recorders and Ms Hersman said that the agency found it unacceptable that Metrorail had not done so.
The older trains, which include the one that ploughed into the stationary carriages, make up about 30 per cent of the fleet and are being phased out. Mr Catoe did not have an immediate response yesterday about why the recommendations of the safety board were not followed.
Ms Hersman said that it was “too early to draw any conclusions” about what happened. The FBI is assisting NTSB teams with collecting evidence and dogs have been used in the search for victims.
Tom Baker, 47, a passenger in the second train, described the moment of impact to The Washington Post. “You could hear all this crashing and glass breaking,” he said. “I didn’t hear any brakes at all.” He saw the train lift into the air, adding that “when the dust settled, the entire front of the train was gone” and passengers could see the train below.
President Obama sent his condolences. “Michelle and I were saddened by the terrible accident,” he said. “Our thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends affected by this tragedy.”
See how the train is up in the air? One person is pulling a stretcher up to where he is, with the people standing between the upper and lower sections are on the roof (or what's left of it) of the lower train--there is no longer any floor to the part of the one train that climbed over the other. Its undercarriage is somewhere under and/or perhaps inside of the train on the bottom. You can imagine that perhaps most of the fatalities were in that area of the upper train and the part where its undercarriage entered the car of the other.
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Prior to cell phones this sort of accident did occur from time to time. Chicago also has sensors on the trains and tracks to control speed and prevent trains from getting too close, but they do sometimes malfunction. That is why the human being at the controls is supposed to be paying attention.Lonestar wrote:So it looks like it's both "Operator error"(which I suspect is code word for "she was texting at the time"...seriously, how hard would it be to pull her cell phone records?) and a faulty sensor. Nice.
I'm sure they'll check to see if there is any evidence of phoning or texting on the job, but it is also possible that the driver in this case was not doing that. It could have been some sudden incapacitation or just plain inattention and over reliance on safety systems.
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SO updates have been on the radio and on the Post all day long. It seems like the NTSB net right now encompasses everything from the fact the car was 2 months overdue for brake maintenance to the fact that Metro had preivously gone through the trouble of replacing almost all of its train control switches after they were found to be from a defective manufacturer (this was back a few years ago) along with the obvious of checking cell phone records to see if the driver was distracted.
The other notable update is that the death toll is now at least 9 inlcuding the former commander of the DC National Guard and his wife.
The other notable update is that the death toll is now at least 9 inlcuding the former commander of the DC National Guard and his wife.
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Just heard on the news that the driver DID engage the emergency brake prior to the crash. Curious.
I've been on a train when then E-brake is thrown. "Thrown" is a good word. I went from upright and vertical to a full-length face-plant in an eyeblink, admiring the little Amtrak logos woven in to the carpet while wondering the the hell happened. Of course, trains don't stop on a dime. We kept going a kilometer or so past the point we hit someone.
But the thing is, for yesterday's crash, there was supposed to be an automatic system to prevent the trains from crashing. An emergency brake was thrown as well. Those two things were not enough to prevent and accident. Why?
I've been on a train when then E-brake is thrown. "Thrown" is a good word. I went from upright and vertical to a full-length face-plant in an eyeblink, admiring the little Amtrak logos woven in to the carpet while wondering the the hell happened. Of course, trains don't stop on a dime. We kept going a kilometer or so past the point we hit someone.
But the thing is, for yesterday's crash, there was supposed to be an automatic system to prevent the trains from crashing. An emergency brake was thrown as well. Those two things were not enough to prevent and accident. Why?
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Lots of computerized signaling upgrades have been miniature, or sometimes major disasters. It’s a huge systems integration challenge, and unlike a ship or a jet fighter you can’t make it all work, and then start using it operationally. You install the system and the next day paying customers are riding it. The signal ‘upgrades’ on the SEPTA trolley lines are so bad they managed to increase some trip times by as much as 80%, and while they’ve never caused a collision, yet, none of the lines had had any collisions for years beforehand and the trolleys now barely move anyway.
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Did it say how soon before impact the brake was applied? This accident happened on an approach to a station, so (unless I missed it somewhere, sorry) I wonder, if the train that hit the rear of the other was decelerating in preparation of a stop, or if it was going to pass the station without a stop. Either way, don't passenger trains slow somewhat on approach to a station, regardless if they are stopping or not? I'm a very infrequent rider, so sorry if I seem clueless here.Broomstick wrote:Just heard on the news that the driver DID engage the emergency brake prior to the crash. Curious.
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Only if the automatic break system is working. If there's a failure somewhere then it's entirely likely it wouldn't slow down until the driver hit the emergency.FSTargetDrone wrote:Did it say how soon before impact the brake was applied? This accident happened on an approach to a station, so (unless I missed it somewhere, sorry) I wonder, if the train that hit the rear of the other was decelerating in preparation of a stop, or if it was going to pass the station without a stop. Either way, don't passenger trains slow somewhat on approach to a station, regardless if they are stopping or not? I'm a very infrequent rider, so sorry if I seem clueless here.Broomstick wrote:Just heard on the news that the driver DID engage the emergency brake prior to the crash. Curious.
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I don’t know about the DC metro, but SEPTA trains, and these are full size heavy trains don't slow before passing through stations on express runs, even when it’s a low platform station with a pedestrian grade crossing. They run 60-70mph top speed.
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Ah, but the automatic speed controls/brakes on commuter trains have been in operation for decades. As a commuter who has sometimes sat in the front car near the driver I've been aware of such systems in operation (usually accompanied by the driver swearing at it). In the Chicago area the operator can override the stop at a very slow speed, but as soon as the hit the limiting speed the train automatically comes to a complete halt before the driver can do anything to start it moving again. The speeds/distances are supposed to prevent a serious accident (bumps - which can be hazardous- can and have occurred, but nothing on the scale of this accident). An emergency brake on top of that should stop it even faster.
I could see an "upgrade" causing problems, and I'm sure the NTSB will look into any modifications in such a system. They aren't foolproof, nothing is, but this is not a new technology.
Yes, trains often will slow down from top speed when passing a station, for safety reasons for those who may be standing close to the platform edge. When they don't, people are warned back from the platform edge, or may even be herded away from it by station employees.
I could see an "upgrade" causing problems, and I'm sure the NTSB will look into any modifications in such a system. They aren't foolproof, nothing is, but this is not a new technology.
No. That information was not included in the report.FSTargetDrone wrote:Did it say how soon before impact the brake was applied?
Yes, trains do sometimes go through stations without stopping, but they'd be on a different track than a train that is stopped, or, if there's only one track, such an "express" should only go through without stopping if there is no train in the station - such automatic speed limiting and stopping systems are supposed to prevent rear-end collisions of this sort in such circumstances.This accident happened on an approach to a station, so (unless I missed it somewhere, sorry) I wonder, if the train that hit the rear of the other was decelerating in preparation of a stop, or if it was going to pass the station without a stop. Either way, don't passenger trains slow somewhat on approach to a station, regardless if they are stopping or not? I'm a very infrequent rider, so sorry if I seem clueless here.
Yes, trains often will slow down from top speed when passing a station, for safety reasons for those who may be standing close to the platform edge. When they don't, people are warned back from the platform edge, or may even be herded away from it by station employees.
And a failure of the automatic brake, or worse yet, of the emergency brake, or both, will be something the NTSB looks for as a possibility.General Zod wrote:Only if the automatic break system is working. If there's a failure somewhere then it's entirely likely it wouldn't slow down until the driver hit the emergency.
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The last time I was on a train was riding non-stop on SEPTA's R6 line from Norristown, PA to Suburban Station in Philadelphia to see the Phillies' World Series Parade back in October (and it was years since I had been on a train up to that point). After leaving Norristown (with a packed, standing-room only train) we passed numerous stations without stopping but definitely slowing down at some of them. I remember because people at a few of the stations between Norristown and Philadelphia were able to vent their frustration at having to wait by pounding on the side of our train's cars as we passed. That, of course, was an unusual situation, but the point is that I do remember slowing (but not stopping) at some of the stations.
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FSTargetDrone wrote:Did it say how soon before impact the brake was applied? This accident happened on an approach to a station, so (unless I missed it somewhere, sorry) I wonder, if the train that hit the rear of the other was decelerating in preparation of a stop, or if it was going to pass the station without a stop. Either way, don't passenger trains slow somewhat on approach to a station, regardless if they are stopping or not? I'm a very infrequent rider, so sorry if I seem clueless here.
Couple quick things:Sea Skimmer wrote:I don’t know about the DC metro, but SEPTA trains, and these are full size heavy trains don't slow before passing through stations on express runs, even when it’s a low platform station with a pedestrian grade crossing. They run 60-70mph top speed.
This did not happen to a train stopped at a station or waiting near a station. I've actually driven over the bridge under which the crash took place (well it took place 1/4mi down the line but nonetheless) and the nearest station is roughly 1/2mi to 1mi south of the crash.
The parked train was siting on the inbound/southbound line waiting for the train in front of it to clear the Ft Totten station platform. Based on WMATA's normally blcok arrangement the distance is about right for the uninvolved train to either be at or just leaving the station (the hold should stick them 2 blocks back). The ramming train would have been stopped 1/2mi or so behind the stationary train waiting for it to move when it moved forward and accelerated up to speed.
On the quick issue of the trains, these are heavy rail cars which above ground routinely operate at speeds up to 60-70mph...BUT there is no such thing as express service on Metro, all trains stop at all stations on their line (excepting those which have a final stop before turnaround that isnt an end of line station).
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http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2006/RAR0601.pdf
So, it seems a crash with very damage occurred in 2004 at 36mph, but one train was empty while the other had only a few people onboard who had enough warning time to get clear of the crushed car. So it resulted in only injuries, no deaths.
This crash and a crash in 1996 involved significant telescoping of the train cars even at a speed as low as 25mph. A recommendation to reinforce the train cars was not implemented as it was thought too expensive and generally impractical.
So, it seems a crash with very damage occurred in 2004 at 36mph, but one train was empty while the other had only a few people onboard who had enough warning time to get clear of the crushed car. So it resulted in only injuries, no deaths.
This crash and a crash in 1996 involved significant telescoping of the train cars even at a speed as low as 25mph. A recommendation to reinforce the train cars was not implemented as it was thought too expensive and generally impractical.
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I'm betting the expensie part trumped all others. WMATA is differnet in that it doesn't have a dedicated funding source which means its budget is dependent upon annual apropriations from DC, VA, and MD. In turn switching out the 1000 series cars would have cost close to $1Bn that nobody was willing to pony up. One could blame WMATA but I'd rather just blame the relevant jurisdictions including my own for not getting funding in line so that the authority could actually do this.Sea Skimmer wrote:http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2006/RAR0601.pdf
So, it seems a crash with very damage occurred in 2004 at 36mph, but one train was empty while the other had only a few people onboard who had enough warning time to get clear of the crushed car. So it resulted in only injuries, no deaths.
This crash and a crash in 1996 involved significant telescoping of the train cars even at a speed as low as 25mph. A recommendation to reinforce the train cars was not implemented as it was thought too expensive and generally impractical.
That being said the plan was to have the entire series retired by 2014 with acouple dozen cars per year being replaced by 6000 and 7000 series cars between now and then. So its the sort of shitty thing that you do with tight money in just hoping you don't have an accident while trying to stretch things until the scheduled replacement.
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Some new information from yesterday:
The operator apparently hit the emergency brake, but it remains to be seen when she did so or if she was in some way responsible for the crash.Investigators look at 'anomalies' in track circuit
By SARAH KARUSH and BRIAN WESTLEY, Associated Press Writers Sarah Karush And Brian Westley, Associated Press Writers – Wed Jun 24, 7:58 pm ET
WASHINGTON – Investigators are looking more closely at a stretch of track near the site of a deadly commuter train crash after finding abnormalities Wednesday in equipment that senses trains and transmits speed commands.
Equipment along a 740-foot stretch of track failed to recognize a device that simulates the presence of a train during the tests, said Debbie Hersman of the National Transportation Safety Board, which is leading the investigation into the crash that killed nine people. Five other stretches of track, or circuits, near the Maryland state line showed no problems.
"Whether trains are operated in automatic or manual, these circuits are vital," she said. "We're particularly interested in the speed commands that might be sent from that circuit when there's a train standing on that circuit."
Hersman wouldn't elaborate on what she called "anomalies" found in the circuit, saying more tests were needed. Investigators planned to test the track with a six-car train Wednesday night.
The deadliest accident in Metrorail's 33-year history occurred Monday when a train plowed into another train that was stopped. The moving train was controlled primarily by computer at the time of the crash, but there is evidence the operator tried to slow it down.
Hersman said Wednesday that inspectors found 300 to 400 feet of markings on the rails, indicating some emergency braking took place before the crash. Hersman also has said the emergency brake control on the moving train was found pushed down, though it's not clear how or when that happened. The operator of the oncoming train was among the dead.
Hersman said investigators hoped to interview the operator of the other train on Thursday, a day after his release from the hospital.
NTSB officials say their investigations can take more than a year.
The cars destroyed in Monday's crash included some of the oldest in Metro's fleet. Federal officials wanted them phased out because of their tendency to compact in a crash, but Metro officials said the agency has lacked the money for replacements.
A union representing Metro transit workers also demanded changes in safety procedures. Jackie Jeter, the union's president, said cars from the aging series involved in the crash should be placed in the middle of trains, rather than at the front or back because they are less stable.
The union also asked that operators be allowed to choose whether to use automatic mode, which is typically employed during rush hour. Jeter demanded that Metro officials not mandate speeds at which trains should travel, saying operators were being pushed to move too fast.
Metro spokesman Steven Taubenkibel said the agency was looking into the union's demands.
The union isn't the only one to raise concerns about running trains in automatic mode.
In Chicago's 'L' train system, operators never use an automatic system, said Robert Kelly, president of the city's transit workers union.
"If it were left to me, I would never have a train operate in automatic mode or autopilot," said Kelly, a former train operator.
"The problem with this job is complacency," he said, noting the risk of problems increases when operators aren't forced to stay alert.
Robert Jones, who retired from Metro after 18 years as a train operator and then came back in 2007 to work part-time, disagreed.
Operators have to keep an eye on hundreds of people at each train station platform during rush hours and prepare to stop for any safety concerns. They also open and close the doors, which requires them to look back from a window to make sure no one gets caught in the doors.
"You have to be aware all of the time," Jones said. "It's a job that requires your full attention."
Metro has said it needs $12 billion over the next 10 years to maintain services and replace aging equipment such as the older railcars. The agency has long argued the federal government should contribute because its trains serve the capital, and many riders are federal workers.
Last year, Congress approved $1.5 billion in funds over 10 years, but with a condition that the District of Columbia, Maryland and Virginia match the amount. Now that all three jurisdictions served by Metro have agreed, Congress can move forward, officials said.
The region's congressional delegation introduced a measure Wednesday that would finalize plans to provide the funds.
"The safety of our citizens is our highest priority," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, who represents Maryland.
Even with an infusion of cash to order new cars, Metro officials caution that it would still take about five years to get the equipment.
"It's not an off the shelf product," Metro spokeswoman Lisa Farbstein said. "It's something that's custom made."
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Associated Press Writers Brian Witte in Forestville, Md., and Brett Zongker in Washington contributed to this report.
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So I highlighted this section of the story for a couple key points:Some new information from yesterday wrote::
Last year, Congress approved $1.5 billion in funds over 10 years, but with a condition that the District of Columbia, Maryland and Virginia match the amount. Now that all three jurisdictions served by Metro have agreed, Congress can move forward, officials said.
The region's congressional delegation introduced a measure Wednesday that would finalize plans to provide the funds.
"The safety of our citizens is our highest priority," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, who represents Maryland.
Even with an infusion of cash to order new cars, Metro officials caution that it would still take about five years to get the equipment.
"It's not an off the shelf product," Metro spokeswoman Lisa Farbstein said. "It's something that's custom made."
Associated Press Writers Brian Witte in Forestville, Md., and Brett Zongker in Washington contributed to this report.
1) The Obama budget did NOT include the Federal Governments $150million annual infusion so despite the other jurisdictions having committed funds so the congressional delegations are having to scramble to get it back in the budget.
2) From the time of the previous crash report (the crash occured in 2004 but the REPORT was not available until 2006) there would not have been enough time to replace or retrofit the 1000-series even if Metro had possessed the money to do so. The last quote about the cars not being off the shelf is pertinent. From the time the design RFP went out to first procurement you are looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years. Even an RFP for strengthening the cabs would take a year or more and then work on the Cabs would have to take place piecemeal.
3) In regards to the cars themselves I'm going to quote a much longer article from GreaterGreaterWashington
Are Metro's 1000 Series cars safe? Can Metro do anything about it?
by Matt Johnson
With the tragic crash Monday of two Metro trains, WMATA has come under fire for the crashworthiness of its oldest railcars, the 1000 Series. These cars began arriving on site in 1975, and have been carrying passengers since opening day, more than 33 years ago. Metro plans to retire all 1000 Series cars by 2014.
In the last three decades, the 1000 Series cars have been involved in two collisions, one in 2004 at Woodley Park and one earlier this week near Fort Totten. In both of these crashes, telescoping occurred, severely compromising the passenger compartments. After the 2004 crash the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) issued a number of recommendations. One of these recommendations was that WMATA take steps to retrofit or retire these railcars.
Unfortunately, it's been impossible for WMATA to implement this recommendation. There are just under 300 cars remaining in the 1000 Series, comprising approximately a quarter of Metro's rail fleet. With ridership reaching all-time highs and money as tight as ever, Metro cannot remove these cars without substantially cutting back service.
Earlier collisions
In 1996 during a January snowstorm, a train running in the automatic mode was unable to stop at Shady Grove due to icy rails. Parked approximately 400 feet north of Shady Grove on the outbound track was a gap train. The outbound Red Line train was carrying only two passengers, both in the fourth (last) car. Because of the ice, the train blew through the station at about 36 mph, hitting the parked gap train a few seconds later. The collision of the train telescoped the front car by 21 feet and killed the operator. No passengers were on board the first car and no one at all was aboard the parked gap train.
An NTSB analysis of the factors leading up to and subsequent to the crash included an examination of the wreckage. The collision took place while the train was travelling between 22 and 29 mph. The forces involved in this collision caused a structural failure, which the NTSB report describes in detail:Based on this description, photos from the crash in 1996 at Shady Grove and the crash Monday near Fort Totten, it sounds like a similar structural failure occurred. Despite the similarities and despite NTSB's warnings about the 1000 Series, however, all cars involved in the 1996 Shady Grove Collision were in the 3000 Series, not the 1000.When [the lead car of T-111] struck the gap train, the attachments and fasteners securing its end underframe assembly to the side sills failed, and the side sills moved outward. On [the lead car of the gap train], the end underframe assembly remained attached (at least partially) to the side sills, which allowed the structure of [the lead car of the gap train] to transmit inertial forces to the end underframe of [the leading car of T-111] that were greater than it received. As a result, the body and some detached sections of the underframe of [the lead car of T-111] continued forward after the initial impact. This forward motion, combined with the outward movement of the side sills, allowed the body shell of [the lead car of T-111] to telescope outside the body of [the gap train]. As the collision progressed, the end underframe of [the lead car of T-111] began to act as a steel bumper for [the gap train], buckling the floor of [the lead car on T-111] and causing the remaining components of the car's underframe to fail. (NTSB Report on Shady Grove Collision, Page 65)
Another incident with similar consequences for Metro's rollingstock occurred in November 2004. In this collision, a non-revenue train (Train 703) proceeding northbound toward Shday Grove was stopped in the tunnel between Woodley Park and Cleveland Park awaiting the train at Cleveland Park to depart. It appears that the operator's inattentiveness allowed the train to roll backwards toward Woodley Park, where Train 105 was servicing the platform. The last car of Train 703, struck Train 105 at about 36 mph, and telescoped 20 feet over the lead car of Train 105.
The wreckage at Woodley Park bears a striking resemblance to both the Shady Grove and Fort Totten collisions. Due to the similarities, the NTSB report on the Woodley Park Incident makes many references to the Shady Grove Collision.
NTSB recommendations
In their post-accident report for the Shady Grove Collision, the NTSB made several recommendations to WMATA and other agencies. One of the recommendations was that WMATA undertake a "comprehensive evaluation of the design and design specifications of all series of Metrorail cars with respect to resisting carbody telescoping and providing better passenger protection, and make the necessary modifications..." (emphasis mine).
The WMATA study concluded that it would be infeasible to retrofit the existing fleet. For the 1000 Series, it was considered impractical because they were (and are) due to be scrapped. The report also noted that modifications to the 2000, 3000, and 4000 Series would be cost prohibitive to undertake. In 2002, as a result of these findings, NTSB classified the above cited recommendation (R-96-37) as closed with an acceptable action. NTSB determined that WMATA's study met the "intent" of the recommendation.
Two years after WMATA's study and action were validated by NTSB, Train 703 crashed into and overran Train 105 at Woodley Park. This crash involved the oldest railcars in the WMATA fleet, the 1000 Series. The NTSB report on the Woodley Park Crash focused on the structural deficiency of the 1000 Series. The Board feared that the 1000 cars were susceptible to telescoping, which could lead to "a catastrophic compromise of occupant survival space."
The NTSB, with recommendation R-06-2, encouraged WMATA to "either accelerate retirement of Rohr-built [1000 Series] railcars, or if those railcars are not retired but instead rehabilitated, then the Rohr-built passenger railcars should incorporate a retrofit of crashworthiness collision protection that is comparable to the 6000-series railcars."
Criticism of crashworthiness
It is clear that the "catastrophic" loss of survival space feared by the NTSB occurred Monday. This has led many in the media to criticize Metro for leaving the 1000 Series in service. And while these cars are clearly at the end of their life, Metro has little choice but to leave them in service, at least for the next 5 years.
Only with the addition of the 184 cars that make up the 6000 Series, was WMATA able to eliminate four-car trains and add several eight-car trains to ease overcrowding. An immediate retiring of the 1000 Series (without replacement) would take 290 cars out of service, meaning a return to four-car trains on some lines, and perhaps a reduction in train headways.
Anything more substantive, such as a program of retrofitting or replacement takes time and money. In fact, Metro is already on the path to such a program. Currently they have an RFP out on the 7000 Series, Metro's largest car order ever, 648 new cars and the rehabilitation of the 100 cars in the 4000 Series. Once the 7000 Series cars are delivered, Metro will retire the 1000 Series.
Railcars take time to build. Metro can't just walk down to the nearest railcar dealership and test drive one. They're all custom built and are manufactured on demand. As a result, factories have to start producing cars, and even the process of assembling them takes quite a bit of time.
Some have accused Metro of ignoring NTSB and by so doing, contributing to the deaths and injuries sustained on Monday. But the truth is there were really no acceptable alternatives for Metro. Even if Metro had ordered the new 7000 Series railcars the day of the Woodley Park Accident in November 2004, it is unlikely that any would have entered revenue service before the middle of 2009. And because of the time it takes to process new railcars, it would take two to three years for all cars to arrive in Washington.
And although the Woodley Park Crash happened in 2004, the NTSB report was not released until March 2006. According to Metro's report on the 7000 Series cars, due in in 2012, the development of specifications started in the third quarter of FY2007 (early calendar year 2007), less than 12 months after NTSB's report.
Metro has not dragged its feet on this issue. It absolutely cannot afford to retire the 1000 Series before the arrival of at least 300 of the new 7000 Series cars because so doing would reduce service to unacceptably low levels. It could not have accelerated the acquisition of the 7000 Series due to financial woes, and is even now working its way through the more-than-five year process to get new cars.
Service versus safety
Some have suggested that in the wake of Monday's crash, Metro should sideline (sidetrack?) its 1000 Series trains. This is not a realistic proposal, but public pressure could still force it to be considered.
Based on ridership, the spare ratio, and certain service standards, Metro can calculate how many railcars it needs to operate. According to WMATA's Fleet Management Plan (2006), Metro expected to need 1120 railcars to operate on a given day in FY2009, which ends next week. Right now, WMATA has 1128 railcars. However, in FY2010, which starts July 1, Metro will need an estimated 1144 railcars to operate satisfactory service. Since the actual number of available cars is lower, this means more crowded trains. Essentially, we already have fewer cars than we need, and we will continue to be until the 7000 Series cars start to arrive in 2012.
Removing the 1000 Series would take Metro's fleet size down to 838, meeting only 72.3% of the demand for railcars. Without the 1000 Series, four-car trains would reappear on the Blue and Yellow Lines, and eight-car trains might just disappear from the Red, Orange, and Green Lines.
But there are other concerns. The 1996 NTSB report encouraged WMATA to look at all railcars. Also note that WMATA's study concluded that it couldn't retrofit the 2000, 3000, or 4000 Series to improve their crashworthiness.
Remember, that only two 1000 Series cars have ever telescoped. The first time was in 2004. 1996's Shady Grove Crash involved two trains comprised of 3000 Series cars. Plus, the 2000 and 3000 Series cars were manufactured by the same company consecutively. Any fault that the 3000 Series has in structural design, the 2000 Series likely has as well. Does this mean that the 2000 and 3000 Series cars are as dangerous as the 1000 Series?
That is unclear from the NTSB reports. However, the similarities of the three crashes involving two different series of railcars is a bit unnerving.
If the 1000, 2000, and 3000 Series cars are unsafe, that would be a major problem for Metro, because together they make up over 56% of the fleet. We can't take all of them out of service, and the 7000 Series won't be able to replace all of them.
And since the 4000 Series have not yet been overhauled, they might not fare as well as we'd like. They're due for rehabilitation in FY2014, which might bring them up to satisfactory standards. But until that work can be undertaken, might Metro consider pulling those cars? The 4000 Series is made up of 100 cars, almost 10% of Metro's fleet.
One piece of vital information can be gleaned from NTSB's 2006 report (on the 2004 Woodley Park Crash): They only consider the 5000 and 6000 cars to be good enough.If we removed all of the cars likely to telescope in a collision, we'd only have the 374 cars making up the 5000 and 6000 Series. The last time Metro had that few cars, was in the early 1980s, when the Red Line stretched from Silver Spring to Van Ness, the Orange from Ballston to New Carrollton, and the Blue Line from National Airport to Addison Road.Any replacement car should be designed with crashworthiness components for absorbing maximum energy in a collision and to transmit minimum acceleration to passengers without override or telescoping, as found in the current 5000- series railcars and specified for the 6000-series cars. (NTSB Report on the Woodley Park Collision, Page 49)
Conclusions
Both the 1000 and 3000 Series have been involved in eerily similar telescoping incidents. NTSB has recommended that Metro reinforce the 1000, 2000, 3000, and 4000 Series. It is unclear if any of these vehicles is safer than the 1000 series car lost in Monday's crash. It is clear, that NTSB is not happy with their sturdiness.
Without even one of these series, Metro would have to cut back service. Without any of them, Metro would be virtually crippled. The 5000s and 6000s are not a large enough part of the fleet to operate a 106-mile system with 86 stations and more than 700,000 daily riders.
Criticism toward Metro for continuing to use the 1000 Series is frequent these days, but it does not consider that there would have been no way to design, order, build, test, and put into service 300 new railcars between March 2006 (when the NTSB suggested it) and June 2009, when the first fatal crash involving a 1000 Series car occurred.
Metro is between a rock and a hard place on this one. So is the riding public. Unfortunately, there are no right or absolute answers, although you can be sure that the NTSB report following this accident will make recommendations as if there are. We should be prepared to hear them suggest we retire all but the 5000 and 6000 Series. If we hear that, we can be sure that the cars won't be retired. It could take close to a decade to replace that many cars in the fleet. Reduced service for that long on the Metro would cripple Washington.
We're all upset that this crash happened. The sturdiness of the lead car did not cause the crash, but it contributed to its severity. Metro should take whatever steps are necessary to ensure passenger safety, but the 1000 Series is here to stay – at least until 2014. In the meantime, riders should remember that Metro is still the safest way to travel in the Washington area.
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Sure, they couldn’t have bought new cars. They could however have done exactly what they are doing now; mix up the different types of cars so the 1000-series with no end protection at all are not on the train ends. As long as a direct impact can be avoided the 1000-series are reasonably as safe as the newer ones.
I’d presume this wasn’t done earlier because it would raise maintenance costs a bit. It’d end up taking more man hours to inspect each train for its routine checks. Might also make the trains look ugly.
I’d presume this wasn’t done earlier because it would raise maintenance costs a bit. It’d end up taking more man hours to inspect each train for its routine checks. Might also make the trains look ugly.
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The issue is it isn't just the 1000-series that are problematic. According to Wilkens' link, only 374 (i.e. the 5000 and 6000 series) out of their fleet of 1128 would be safe by the standards of the NTSB.Sea Skimmer wrote:Sure, they couldn’t have bought new cars. They could however have done exactly what they are doing now; mix up the different types of cars so the 1000-series with no end protection at all are not on the train ends. As long as a direct impact can be avoided the 1000-series are reasonably as safe as the newer ones.
I’d presume this wasn’t done earlier because it would raise maintenance costs a bit. It’d end up taking more man hours to inspect each train for its routine checks. Might also make the trains look ugly.
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It likely wasn't done because there are issues relating to the control interchange between the different series. That and, as Ziggy pointed out the 1996 report from the NTSB placed suspicion on the 1000, 2000, 3000, and 4000 series cars. In other words the only vehicles the NTSB didn't find fault with are the limited number of 5000 and 6000 series cars. The 5000 series has had its own problems with late delivery due to software glitches and multiple (non-fatal) derailments which means the only car series with no known issues is the 6000 series. Placing the 1000 series in teh center of the trains is honestly a psychological move rather than one which will produce any benefit of increased safety.Sea Skimmer wrote:Sure, they couldn’t have bought new cars. They could however have done exactly what they are doing now; mix up the different types of cars so the 1000-series with no end protection at all are not on the train ends. As long as a direct impact can be avoided the 1000-series are reasonably as safe as the newer ones.
I’d presume this wasn’t done earlier because it would raise maintenance costs a bit. It’d end up taking more man hours to inspect each train for its routine checks. Might also make the trains look ugly.
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