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[Agent Sorchus]

I will throw my lot in to the coalition to fuck over the Vong. I would wish to question the value of grabbing Kyp. He is just a nine year old who has not been taught by Vima-Da-Boda and has only a limited amount of force skill. It would be a lot better to assault Hethrir while he is gathering force sensitive children and training them that gives us more all told. Also we can take his World ship away for our use. Hell we could even take the Firrerreo that he has imprisoned to back us up. This is such a minor thing on the galactic scale that it is a plus on all fronts.

I would hesitate to mess with the Yvetha, because that incident helps the republic keep any pretext to military might. What I would advise is to strike as the final battle is being drawn up above the yvethas homeworld our force comes up on a different heading than the republic force after the yveth have been drawn out and we BDZ the world on the quick. When the imperials force the withdrawal we join them and convert them to our side.

When Daala comes out of the Maw we have enough firepower to simply get her to surrender. that could give us access to the maw itself if we feel it is necessary.

25 planets * 10^6 * 12 months * 20 Years =~ 6 trillion clones by the Yvong war. Not to insignificant

[Darth Nostril]

Sorry, Crystal Star was such utter shit I try to forget it was ever written, for reminding me may you be eternally scourged with razor tipped whips and have rock salt rubbed into the wounds.

[Samuel]

Uh, Zor, why do we plop in? Do we suddenly find ourselves in another persons body with their knowledge or does the Empire routinely hire 20 year old admirals?

Also, for those thinking of killing Hoth, me or anyone else How are you going to find us? All Hoth has to do is make a copy of the message probe and insure it gets to a loyal governer and you will think you killed him at Backa.

I don't see trolls going nuts and killing people- just enjoying their power and getting hooked on drugs/having sex/whatever other vices Wars has to offer. Before being killed off by an ambitious subordinate because they don't know enough to hold power. The Mess might do better... except political infighting means that if we aren't good at that we get knifed in the back (possibly literally).

[DrMckay]

Put me down for an alliance with the OEF Combine. (Though I only have a paltry fleet.) My desire to vape those bio-wanking bastards is third only to making Borsk Fel'ya die from something slow and lingering, and murdering Admiral Daala.

possible decent alliances and plots we have not considered in a pre-Thrawn era are:

1) start or assist a Fifth column within the New Republic. We know where the Vong scouts have landed and where their remains are, point it out to competent officers dissatisfied with the squabbling moronic politicians, perhaps someone in the mold of Arien Cracken or Wedge Antilles who wouldn't mind keeping a secret or two. This could resemble a "Section 31" within the New Republic, with many of the members being military officers with "Day jobs"

2) Get the support of the Smugglers and underworld-deregulate commerce on a couple of worlds or moons and turn them into mini-Nar Shaddas or jack up the tariffs on certain goods while letting the Smugglers know through channels that we will make a half-hearted effort to catch them leading to demand higher wages from their employers. This grants us access to the underworld and the weapons, technologies and supplies-not to mention information and rakeoffs.

3) Make overtures to Pellaon, as he has prestige, competence and stability-not to mention an eventual introduction with Thrawn.

Tactics: perhaps to preserve our ships and personnel, tactics could center around swarms of remote controlled small fighters packed with explosives which are easily produced and carried in freighters.

[Themightytom]

Isn't pellaeon just a commander at the end of ROTJ?

[avatarxprime]

then tutelage of the Force sensitive [Kyp Durron] until we can take the Maw Installation

Do you mean tutelage in the Force? That's gonna be difficult considering there has been no indication anyone will have trained Force users under their command. Also, it's incredibly dangerous to have someone as potentially powerful as Kyp around without proper Force guidance. Even if you sweep in an save him and his family he can still get frustrated or something like in the original timeline and start going towards the Dark Side.

You know if Avatar prime lends his support with the katana fleet along with Darth Nostril, my actaully would ahve a pretty good chance of success as it wouldn't be contingent on breaking the fourth wall in order to obtain enough ships to defeat Daala.

I have no love for Daala, but I doubt we'd be able to get a route into the Maw Installation even if someone does rescue Kyp. Also I don't want to mess with the timeline too much. I am more so in favor of launching a covert assault on the Maw Installation when Daala leaves with the goal of getting a download of the facility's computers or simply capturing Daala after she does the same when the Installation self-destructs.

All of that being said I certainly respect the final goal of the OEF contingent and will offer my support to them in the war with the Vong. However, I would choose to remain allied, but independent for now. My actions so far should get me the attention of Thrawn and create a suitable negotiation position with him for talks concerning bringing his Empire of the Hand in line with OEF concerns considering his plans were dependent on the Spaarti cloning tech, cloaking devices, C'Baoth and Katana Fleet which I have control over.

[Invictus ChiKen]

I order my fleet to QTFO before the inevitable cluster fuck. At which point I head for Endor then warn the Rebels what's going on like the appearance of a massive fleet, the Vong ect. This should give me the benefit of Character shields and have the New Republic preparing for the Vong.

[Thanas]

I don't know, If we just bide our time, we should be able to be a pretty potent force. Its not like any of the fleets I remember from the YV series were bigger than the one we have.

That might be true, but a lot of our fleet will have to be used for defense of our home base, meaning it won't be available for deployment against the YV. Unless you're suggesting we leave our base of operations undefended...

Actually, several battles with the Vong involved thousands of ships. At the second battle of coruscant, for example, the Alliance lost over 300 capital ships alone despite winning the battle.


So yeah, better to join Thrawn as I did and then help him build up his military after defeating the NR.

[Zwinmar]

Seeing as how we would be jointly ruling a 25 system Empire we may have a lot of problems, namely with infighting. Secondly, how many would know how to command even a small force? There is nothing worse than an arrogant commander who has book knowledge, but not practical knowledge. However, with 20 years to prepare, everyone will be able to gain the experience needed to be fit to command.

I for one am all for destroying the bio-wankers known as the Vong, so count me in there, in the meantime security is a necessity to protect against pirate and raider incursions.

1. Secure the borders.
2. Establish trade.
3. Build up infrastructure.
4. Form a collective government that has the will of the people on our side.
5. Begin war preparations.
5a. Recruitment
5b. Shipbuilding
5c. Research and development.

With twenty years lead time, if we can stay out of galactic affairs that do not directly benefit us, we can be a serious threat to the Vong. We know were they are going to enter so we can set up a proper picket, strong enough to repel that first incursion and deny them the beach head they need.

Also keep in mind Mr. Murphy.

[Crossroads Inc.]

I still see a lot of people talking about doing things immediately that have not yet happened. The EFC Needs to hammer out a legitimate time line of when we should act on certain things. We currently have a lot of members in the Combine and I would ask them to all vote on the maters at hand.

Further more, something I don't think has been addressed yet, is due to the OP ala Zor, we are going to end up with virtually THOUSANDS of Lancel Frigates. A ship that is expensive and largely useless outside of shooting down fighters. The fact that even those with a single ISD still have 20 Lancels means these things are going to be everywhere, and the only thing they are good at is anti-fighter work. I realize that we are already on the 5th page of this, but since as of now, no one has mad any comment or plans ON thier large amount of Lancels, I would like to position Zor to change then from LAncels to perhaps Carracks Cruisers. An Equally sized ship but one that is far more durable and ideal for defending our borders from pirates smugglers or anything up to another ISD.

In the same vein we are also going to have a Vast amount of Acclamator Assault ships. While these are designed as Transports I would like to recommend a program for using them also as a Home defense force, again giving us more security at home to allow our ISD's to act when the time is right.

Again I will reiterate the EFC's goal of largely STAYING OUT of the timeline till we have built sufficent forces and infrastructure in our systems

1. Secure the borders.
2. Establish trade.
3. Build up infrastructure.
4. Form a collective government that has the will of the people on our side.
5. Begin war preparations.
5a. Recruitment
5b. Shipbuilding
5c. Research and development.

With twenty years lead time, if we can stay out of galactic affairs that do not directly benefit us, we can be a serious threat to the Vong. We know were they are going to enter so we can set up a proper picket, strong enough to repel that first incursion and deny them the beach head they need.

Also keep in mind Mr. Murphy.

See THIS is what i'm talking about, a good long term layout of what needs to be done

Alsp, just because I like making lists...

Members of the Lord Kuja Combine to Ear-Fuck the Vong:
Kuja-Twelve Imperial-class ISDs
Crossroads-Six Imperial-class ISDs
lord Martiya-One Imperial-class ISDs
White Haven-Six Imperial-class ISDs
Jason L. Miles-One Imperial-class ISDs
Styphon-One Imperial-class ISDs
Themightytom-One Imperial-class ISDs
Lord Relvenous-One Imperial-class ISDs
Karmic Knight-One Imperial-class ISDs
Darth Nostril-One Imperial-class ISDs
Zwinmar-One Imperial-class ISDs
DrMckay-One Imperial-class ISDs
Combined Forces 33-Imperial-class ISDs

Currently Unaffiliated powers
Darth Hoth-Three Imperial-class ISDs
SiegeTank-Three Imperial-class ISDs
Vanas-Three Imperial-class ISDs
Vendetta-Six Imperial-class ISDs
Darksider-Six Imperial-class ISDs
Solauren-Six Imperial-class ISDs
Batman-Twelve Imperial-class ISDs
Combined Forces 39-Imperial-class ISDs

Peoples Republic of Fuck YEAH
tim31-Three Imperial-class ISDs
weemadando-Twelve Imperial-class ISDs
Vehrec-Three Imperial-class ISDs
Lord Pounder-Twelve Imperial-class ISDs
Havok-Six Imperial-class ISDs
Combined Forces 36-Imperial-class ISDs

please speak up if you wish to join a Power Block, or are not currently listed in one.

[lord Martiya]

Further more, something I don't think has been addressed yet, is due to the OP ala Zor, we are going to end up with virtually THOUSANDS of Lancel Frigates. A ship that is expensive and largely useless outside of shooting down fighters. The fact that even those with a single ISD still have 20 Lancels means these things are going to be everywhere, and the only thing they are good at is anti-fighter work. I realize that we are already on the 5th page of this, but since as of now, no one has mad any comment or plans ON thier large amount of Lancels, I would like to position Zor to change then from LAncels to perhaps Carracks Cruisers. An Equally sized ship but one that is far more durable and ideal for defending our borders from pirates smugglers or anything up to another ISD.

In the same vein we are also going to have a Vast amount of Acclamator Assault ships. While these are designed as Transports I would like to recommend a program for using them also as a Home defense force, again giving us more security at home to allow our ISD's to act when the time is right.

Personally I'm with you, and was actually thinking about converting my Acclamators in the Acclamator-II version, more useful as battleship.

[Zwinmar]

With 24 persons having posted thus far, and 25 systems, there is enough to go around for each to be governor of their own system while the 25th acts as neutral ground between us, and as a capitol world.

[Phantasee]

So I think I get 6 SSDs?

Hey Zor, what the fuck is an Imperial Class Star Destroyer, anyway?

So 6 Imperator-II SSDs, 18 Acclamator transports, 120 Lancer frigates? And I'm a fucking Admiral? God damn. The PGEFY has their inaugural bash at my massive compound on one of those there home planets we got, and the after-party turns into the biggest raid in the history of the universe as we go conquer our local neighbourhood in a drunken orgy of violence.

How many squadrons of TIE fighters and interceptors would I have aboard my SSDs, anyway?

To help rally our homeboys, and get us together, I'll carve People's Galactic Empire of Fuck Yeah! on the side of all the barren moons orbiting those home planets. TFC will rule the Vast Void of AWESOME with an iron fist wearing a velvet glove. And I want to do lines off a Twi'Lek's head tentacles.

[Darth Hoth]

What is with all this Samuel-hate? At worst he's hardly likely to be a greater threat than any of the hundred or so minor belligerents featured in the novels (not to mention the thousands of statelets that never even get a mention), and that's assuming he's actually aggressive. If the Culture is his model then violence would be a last resort. Frankly there are more pressing problems, including the hundreds of trolls and general morons who will be blowing up random crap with the mini-fleets they've been given.

Not in the short term, but given the canonical feats performed by SW computing the chances of creating a real AI-wank are distinctly possible - something that no warlord, even utter lunatics such as Daala or Empire's End-chewing-on-the-furniture Palpy, was ever crazy enough to attempt. Such a machine, competing with biological life for scarce resources, could easily be a large enough threat to civilisation everywhere that using some wank-weapon or other to sterilise the entire galaxy might not be unacceptable losses in destroying it. At best, we are looking at a machine collective with potential von-Neumann rate exponential growth and superior coordination and reaction times (all demonstrated capabilities of SW technology); at worst, the wet dream of every Singularity-wanker and OA cultist around (given how Wars technology yields effectively infinite potential for increased computing power and otherwise removes most laws-of-physics constraints on uberwank in general).

Samuel's initial belligerent rhetoric was not reassuring, and even if he tones down his message, there is absolutely no guarantee that he can control whatever computerised monstrosity his experiments might produce. I would caution that unless we can persuade him to allow for independent inspection of his work (perhaps to be administered by the emerging anti-Vong coalition), we might require drastic action. Nothing whatever personal - I like the guy - but forming sentient "strong" AI is seriously dangerous stuff and should be avoided for the good of all.

[Darth Hoth]

or even a suicidal A-wing after we lure the SSD in close to a large moon or asteroid..

Not this again?!

It is bad enough that one still has to remind Trekkies about Ackbar ordering the fleet to "concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer" before that "lone" A-wing crashed into the bridge, or Piett receiving the report that the fleet bombardment had knocked down their bridge shields. To hear this same fallacy repeated here on this board . . .

Relax Hoth I was totally kidding.
EDIT: fixed my quotes

Ah, alright then. Just a short while ago I had a debate on that very topic (among others) with some people who were so dense one might wonder why they had not collapsed into neutronium yet, so I am a little sensitive right now.

Hoth has no apparent sense of humour, one more reason to frag him.

A true Master of the Dark Side has progressed beyond such puny emotions.

[Samuel]

What is with all this Samuel-hate? At worst he's hardly likely to be a greater threat than any of the hundred or so minor belligerents featured in the novels (not to mention the thousands of statelets that never even get a mention), and that's assuming he's actually aggressive. If the Culture is his model then violence would be a last resort. Frankly there are more pressing problems, including the hundreds of trolls and general morons who will be blowing up random crap with the mini-fleets they've been given.

Not in the short term, but given the canonical feats performed by SW computing the chances of creating a real AI-wank are distinctly possible - something that no warlord, even utter lunatics such as Daala or Empire's End-chewing-on-the-furniture Palpy, was ever crazy enough to attempt. Such a machine, competing with biological life for scarce resources, could easily be a large enough threat to civilisation everywhere that using some wank-weapon or other to sterilise the entire galaxy might not be unacceptable losses in destroying it. At best, we are looking at a machine collective with potential von-Neumann rate exponential growth and superior coordination and reaction times (all demonstrated capabilities of SW technology); at worst, the wet dream of every Singularity-wanker and OA cultist around (given how Wars technology yields effectively infinite potential for increased computing power and otherwise removes most laws-of-physics constraints on uberwank in general).

Samuel's initial belligerent rhetoric was not reassuring, and even if he tones down his message, there is absolutely no guarantee that he can control whatever computerised monstrosity his experiments might produce. I would caution that unless we can persuade him to allow for independent inspection of his work (perhaps to be administered by the emerging anti-Vong coalition), we might require drastic action. Nothing whatever personal - I like the guy - but forming sentient "strong" AI is seriously dangerous stuff and should be avoided for the good of all.

The Vong prove that extragalactic conquest is possible. What makes you think there isn't a version of what you fear already out in the universe using whole galaxies to fuel its continual expansion? Sure, it doesn't appear in the next 140 years... but that is no guarentee that it won't happen after that and when competing with something that has such a head start, there is no time like the present. We know there is already successful machine life in the galaxy- all we need is for a version to be hostile and expansionistic and the Galaxy dies. Given the size of the galaxy that is a certainity.

So worry about the Vong, who only succedded because the New Republic are morons. I am to face opponents who are competant, relentless and not covered by canon so we cannot predict their moves or weaknesses.

[The Grim Squeaker]

With my tiny empire of: -Twelve Imperial-class ISDs, Thirty Six Acclamator-class transports & Two hundred Fourty Lancer Frigates I join the inevitable MESS conglomerate, sign up for the Fuck The Vong program, then hightail as much of my soldiers, cloning operations and most of my fleet to one of the orbiting dwarf galaxies to set up my own empire there. Away from Shep, or Palpitanists like Hoth

[Pelranius]

I think I'll probably join up with Thrawn, though it'd be best to get together to whack Byss (of course, that still leave Palpatine in Jeng Droga's body, but we can just give Luke and Kyle Katarn a few helpful pointers in that direction) before we go off in our own directions.

And then there has to be someway to whack the "restore the exact fascimile of the Republic and purge the Empire" Rebel ideologues and those COMPNOR fanatics.

[Darth Nostril]

So I think I get 6 ISDs?
Hey Zor, what the fuck is an Imperial Class Star Destroyer, anyway?

This is an Imperal II class


Actually that brings up a good point, Zor do we get Imperial or Imperial II class?
According to wookiepedia the Imp II is more heavily armed but at the expense of having no point defense (in which case we might need a couple of Lancers after all)

[Vanas]

Aren't ISD-IIs the ones in ESB thwupping their way through the asteroid field with their point-defence guns? It wouldn't make much sense to strim off the PD off of a ship in a place where fighters can be threatening to capital ships.

[Darth Nostril]

Aren't ISD-IIs the ones in ESB thwupping their way through the asteroid field with their point-defence guns? It wouldn't make much sense to strim off the PD off of a ship in a place where fighters can be threatening to capital ships.

a) Imp Deuce carries more fighters
b) Trench Run Disease is what the Lancer was created to counter, basically a Lancer is a frigate with twenty anti fighter batteries mounted. No use for anything else though which is why I support the request to replace Lancers with Carracks, Ties are much better for anti fighter defense.

[Darth Hoth]

The Vong prove that extragalactic conquest is possible. What makes you think there isn't a version of what you fear already out in the universe using whole galaxies to fuel its continual expansion? Sure, it doesn't appear in the next 140 years... but that is no guarentee that it won't happen after that and when competing with something that has such a head start, there is no time like the present. We know there is already successful machine life in the galaxy- all we need is for a version to be hostile and expansionistic and the Galaxy dies. Given the size of the galaxy that is a certainity.

So worry about the Vong, who only succedded because the New Republic are morons. I am to face opponents who are competant, relentless and not covered by canon so we cannot predict their moves or weaknesses.

Nah, excessive paranoia does not make for a healthy mind, even for us Dark Lords of the Sith. Then we might as well fear a break-out of Chaos or the SW-universe equivalent of the Xeelee randomly harvesting our galaxy to make building material for the Ring. In either case, we can do nothing but pray that it will not happen.

(And, breaking the box, that kind of thinking is depressing. Star Wars is supposed to be a happy story.)

However, if there are indeed such threats out there, our best bet is probably to boost the space-vampire our lord Palpatine as much as possible and help him with the "Dark Side Godhood followed by Intergalactic Conquest" deal. One omnipotent intelligence guiding a galaxy's resources with flawless perception is our best chance against them. And then, instead of being superseded by Godless Machines, we can instead all give up our souls to the crazy hive-mind offer our services and be part of the collective greatness of human inspiration that is the transcendent Emperor!

[Vanas]

a) Imp Deuce carries more fighters
b) Trench Run Disease is what the Lancer was created to counter, basically a Lancer is a frigate with twenty anti fighter batteries mounted. No use for anything else though which is why I support the request to replace Lancers with Carracks, Ties are much better for anti fighter defense.

Which counters my point of saying that we see them using their point defence guns in which way exactly? We don't see them using their TIEs to blast asteroids for them, after all.
And I know what a Lancer is, and the Carrack's certainly a better all-rounder, but I can't help but think it's more efficient to get the anti-fighter specced Carracks (no ions, more lasers IIRC) than rely soley on TIEs for defence.

[Darth Nostril]

Which counters my point of saying that we see them using their point defence guns in which way exactly? We don't see them using their TIEs to blast asteroids for them, after all.

Exactly, we don't see them using Ties to blast the asteroids, instead we see them using heavy weapons to do the job, because fighters & anti-fighter defences do not have the fire power necessary.

[Vanas]

Hm. I believe I need to offer a slight concession; after checking the TL commentaries, they're indeed using medium guns to take out the asteroids. But they still use smaller point defence guns in ESB, taking on the Falcon.