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June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Bernard Madoff was sentenced to 150 years in prison for masterminding the largest Ponzi scheme in history.

Madoff appeared in court today before U.S. District Judge Denny Chin for the first time since his March 12 guilty plea for an epic swindle that may have reached $65 billion.

“I don’t ask for any forgiveness,” Madoff, 71, told Chin. He said he deceived his brothers, his two sons and his wife. The courtroom burst into applause as Chin imposed the sentence, which is about six times longer than those meted out to the chief executives of WorldCom Inc. and Enron Corp.

Madoff pleaded guilty to securities fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, investment adviser fraud, three counts of money laundering, false statements, perjury, false filings with the SEC and theft from an employee benefit plan.

Madoff today was led into the 11th floor courtroom in Manhattan federal court clad wearing a suit and flanked by federal marshals. Seated beside defense attorney Ira Sorkin, Madoff sat silently as nine former investors assailed him for a fraud that cost many their life savings.

Madoff has shown “no remorse,” said victim Carla Hirschhorn, of Manalapan, New Jersey, at the hearing. She told Chin her life is a “living hell,” her mother is dependent on social security and her daughter works two jobs to pay tuition. “Don’t fail us,” she told the judge.

Deeply Flawed

Sorkin told the court after the victims spoke that his client is a “deeply flawed human being.”

Madoff’s sentencing caps the downfall of an acclaimed investment adviser who told the world his fortune came through an eponymous firm that specialized in making markets, trading securities and advising wealthy clients.

Over three decades, he built a reputation as a brilliant stock picker who delivered steady returns through both bull and bear markets. He attracted an international client roster that included celebrities including filmmaker Steven Spielberg, fund managers such as J. Ezra Merkin, charities, universities, friends and even European royalty.

His facade shattered on Dec. 11, as Madoff confessed to authorities that his firm, Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, was “one big lie.” Under immense pressure from a rush of investor redemptions, he admitted he used money from new investors to pay old ones. Regulators later said that his investment advisory business hadn’t made a trade in at least 13 years.

Some of his thousands of investors lost their life savings. Thierry Magon de La Villehuchet, chief executive officer of Access International Advisors, which managed $3 billion, was driven to suicide because of his firm’s Madoff-related losses, his brother, Bertrand Magon de la Villehuchet, said in January.

Maximum Sentence

Madoff received the maximum sentence on the 11 fraud charges to which he pleaded guilty. Before his sentencing, he consulted with Herbert Hoelter of the National Center on Institutions and Alternatives, a prisoner advocacy group, according to court records.

Other Hoelter clients have included lifestyle doyenne Martha Stewart, who was jailed for obstructing justice, and football player Michael Vick, who served time for helping to run a dog-fighting ring.

The U.S. Bureau of Prisons will now decide where Madoff serves his term. Since being locked up in March, he’s been housed in the maximum security Metropolitan Correctional Center next door to the courthouse.

Other aging white-collar convicts are in low-security prisons. Former WorldCom Inc. Chief Executive Officer Bernard Ebbers, 67, is housed at the Federal Correctional Institution in Oakdale, Louisiana. John Rigas, 84, the ex-CEO of Adelphia Communications Corp., is imprisoned at the Federal Correctional Institution in Butner, North Carolina.

‘Ashamed’

At his guilty plea in March, Madoff said that in the early 1990s, with the U.S. in a recession, he felt “compelled” to provide the returns his investors expected and began stealing investor money. He said the proprietary trading and market- making units of his business, both run by his sons, were “legitimate,” and his U.K.-based affiliate, Madoff Securities International Ltd., was an “honestly run” business.

“I am actually grateful for this opportunity to publicly speak about my crimes, for which I am so deeply sorry and ashamed,” Madoff said in court at the time. “I knew what I was doing was wrong, indeed criminal.”

The case doesn’t end with the sentencing. Investigators have seized control of Madoff offices at the lipstick-shaped building at 885 Third Avenue in Manhattan, where Madoff Securities operated out of three floors.

Prosecutors are probing whether his subordinates helped him swindle investors. A central issue is whether employees knew of the fraud. Madoff’s accountant, David Friehling, has been indicted on federal charges of lying to Madoff investors about whether he audited the firm.

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No one else at the firm has been charged, and Madoff has not publicly implicated others. His sons Andrew and Mark Madoff ran the proprietary trading operations at Madoff’s firm. They turned their father in to authorities on Dec. 10 after he confessed to them, their attorney, Martin Flumenbaum, has said.

There has been a burst of civil litigation as well. Stephen Harbeck, president of the Securities Investor Protection Corp., which is liquidating Madoff Securities, said in May that it may take longer than 10 years to finish locating the company’s assets and paying back victims.

Investors have filed lawsuits against funds that invested with Madoff and were wiped out, including Fairfield Greenwich Group and Gabriel Capital LP. SIPC has also filed “clawback” suits against the feeder funds. Fairfield Greenwich is being sued for the $3.5 billion it withdrew before the fraud unraveled.

The case is U.S. v. Madoff, 09-cr-00213, U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York (Manhattan).
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My understanding was that even if he was given minimum sentances it would be as good as a life sentance so I don't find the sentancing itself to be particularly interesting. One way or the otehr he was going to be spending the rest of his life in a prison cell. What I always wonder about in cases like these is if there is any way that the victims are going to be able to claim some of the seized assets. Unfortunately with a Ponzi scheme we know that there's going to be less than what people have lost to go around, but I really hope some od the people who got wiped out by this get somthing from this.
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It is highly unlikely that the investors will get any meaningful percentage of their investments back.

150 years? Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Giving him the maximum makes a statement, namely that being a rich, connected white guy doesn't get you leniency in this case. If only justice was usually so... just.
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You're right, I didn't mean to imply that he didn't deserve every minut of it, just that it doesn't make me feel any better considering how badly people got screwed in this.
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There isn't really a fix for the investors, they will never see justice in the sense of the wrong being righted and getting their money back. That's one reason it's a crime to do this sort of thing, and why a life sentence isn't that outrageous. Madoff has caused a hurt to a lot of people that will never be fixed and will impact them for the rest of their lives.
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I like that fact that he didn't get a single positive reference when the judge called for them as part of his sentencing decision. No friends, family or associates wanted to be anywhere near him.

That's what a poisonous, vile, lizard he is.

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Even his wife didn't speak for him.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Even his wife didn't speak for him.

First off it would accomplish nothing so why would she or anyone else bother, and second do you want to be the one the media attacks for saying something nice about the single greatest con man in human history.
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I don't feel too much sympathy and he deserved to go down hard, but I still think 150 years is a somewhat redundant sentence due to the fairly advanced age of Bernie Madoff, plus the people he directly fucked over were greedy themselves and willingly joined the pyramid scheme (I feel more sorry for the unknowing victims indirectly affected).
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Big Orange wrote:I don't feel too much sympathy and he deserved to go down hard, but I still think 150 years is a somewhat redundant sentence due to the fairly advanced age of Bernie Madoff, plus the people he directly fucked over were greedy themselves and willingly joined the pyramid scheme (I feel more sorry for the unknowing victims indirectly affected).
Are you assuming lots of investors knew it was a pyramid scheme? Or is there proof of this fact? Lots of people who were not extremely wealthy gave him their lifes savings based on the incredible returns be demonstrated.
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Bilbo wrote:
Big Orange wrote:I don't feel too much sympathy and he deserved to go down hard, but I still think 150 years is a somewhat redundant sentence due to the fairly advanced age of Bernie Madoff, plus the people he directly fucked over were greedy themselves and willingly joined the pyramid scheme (I feel more sorry for the unknowing victims indirectly affected).
Are you assuming lots of investors knew it was a pyramid scheme? Or is there proof of this fact? Lots of people who were not extremely wealthy gave him their lifes savings based on the incredible returns be demonstrated.
Those incredible returns should have been a warning sign something fishy was going on. It doesn't excuse Madoff and I'm not blaming the small-timers who didn't know any better or the completely innocent victims whose endowments or pension funds were managed by others, but a lot of so-called professionals got suckered by Madoff because they couldn't see around the big returns. Like most con artists, Madoff needed his victims to be willing participants in the con.
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Big Orange wrote:I don't feel too much sympathy and he deserved to go down hard, but I still think 150 years is a somewhat redundant sentence due to the fairly advanced age of Bernie Madoff, plus the people he directly fucked over were greedy themselves and willingly joined the pyramid scheme (I feel more sorry for the unknowing victims indirectly affected).
People invest because they want more money? :GASP: Who knew?

As has been said, they handed down the maximum sentence to send a message: If we could punish you more, we would.
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RedImperator wrote:Those incredible returns should have been a warning sign something fishy was going on. It doesn't excuse Madoff and I'm not blaming the small-timers who didn't know any better or the completely innocent victims whose endowments or pension funds were managed by others, but a lot of so-called professionals got suckered by Madoff because they couldn't see around the big returns. Like most con artists, Madoff needed his victims to be willing participants in the con.
A lot of the people who should've known better saw consistently decent returns year after year - not spectacularly high - and thought they were being prudent. The fact that his returns were so metronomically consistent didn't occur to most of them until it was far too late
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Kodiak wrote: People invest because they want more money? :GASP: Who knew?
The biggest investors with their resources could've followed their money and knew what they were getting into. They had not heard of a famous saying: "Too good to be true"...
As has been said, they handed down the maximum sentence to send a message: If we could punish you more, we would.
It was a politically motivated sentence by the authorities to placate the furious masses by giving no way out for Madoff short of dragging him out and discharching a bullet into his head.
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Just watched the tail end of a very recent documentary on Madoff. People like Markopolos called him out and reported him to the SEC ten years ago and tried to get an investigation going, presented evidence enough to make it an open and shut case that could have been rubberstamped at any time. The SEC dragged its heels for years before it deigned to open an investigation that it dragged on for another two years before pronouncing Madoff clean, and now around year and a half later Bernie gets 150 years for the crimes.

He's a sacrificial lamb to cover up for the criminal negligence of the financial industry, hedge funds, the SEC and other government officials. If you care, dig up some of the C-SPAN archives from the hearings on Madoff when the SEC officials are grilled. Congressman Ackerman summed it up pretty well when he asked

"Mr. Markopolos gave you a map and a flashlight to the location of the stinking pile of dung that was Madoff and rubbed your nose in it and yet you could smell nothing!"

He went on a bit more in that same vein. It was very entertaining. Some of the people in the SEC were forced out, but the US financial regulatory environment is still nearly as rotten as it was during the Bush administration when anything was permissible.
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There are a lot of people who said Bernie Madoff was not working alone and just a middleman, since most of the siphoned funds remain unaccounted for. I agree he seems like a big stuffed dummy getting immolated to distract attention away from the other culprits and people who fucked up.
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phongn wrote:
RedImperator wrote:Those incredible returns should have been a warning sign something fishy was going on. It doesn't excuse Madoff and I'm not blaming the small-timers who didn't know any better or the completely innocent victims whose endowments or pension funds were managed by others, but a lot of so-called professionals got suckered by Madoff because they couldn't see around the big returns. Like most con artists, Madoff needed his victims to be willing participants in the con.
A lot of the people who should've known better saw consistently decent returns year after year - not spectacularly high - and thought they were being prudent. The fact that his returns were so metronomically consistent didn't occur to most of them until it was far too late
I've never been quite sold on the claims of feeder fund managers like Erza Merkin and those people in Connecticut that they absolutely knew nothing about Madoff's behavior (come on, the secrecy, too "regular" returns and pretend auditing should have alerted someone).
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Pelranius wrote:I've never been quite sold on the claims of feeder fund managers like Erza Merkin and those people in Connecticut that they absolutely knew nothing about Madoff's behavior (come on, the secrecy, too "regular" returns and pretend auditing should have alerted someone).
I meant some of the individual investors and general funds - not those big feeder fund managers. Something was definitely fishy there and it does feel like Madoff is taking the fall. The judge noted that he seemed fairly uncooperative with the investigation despite a guilty plea.
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I wonder if the exact phrase 'federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison' exist in the court transcripts anywhere. Because that would be fucking cool.
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It does really irk me that so many people seem happy just letting Madoff be the scapegoat. I'm sorry, but I'm fairly fucking sure that someone else, somewhere in his ENORMOUS ORGANISATION at some point in time discovered that in fact there was no fucking money.

And that's if they weren't knowingly complicit from the start.
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Wicked Pilot wrote:I wonder if the exact phrase 'federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison' exist in the court transcripts anywhere. Because that would be fucking cool.
It would, but I'd bet the son of a bitch will wind up in some 'Club Fed' minimum security facility because he's not considered a 'dangerous criminal'.
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I wonder if the exact phrase 'federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison' exist in the court transcripts anywhere. Because that would be fucking cool.
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Glocksman wrote:
Wicked Pilot wrote:I wonder if the exact phrase 'federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison' exist in the court transcripts anywhere. Because that would be fucking cool.
It would, but I'd bet the son of a bitch will wind up in some 'Club Fed' minimum security facility because he's not considered a 'dangerous criminal'.
Funny you should mention that... Not quite 'Club Fed', but the fact that he even remotely has any influence on where he goes is fucking ridiculous. And how he has or is allowed to spend any money on this is honestly baffling given the nature of his crimes.

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Bernie Madoff is not going gentle into that good night of prison life. Instead, he has hired a top prison consultant to help him find the best possible joint in which to spend the rest of his life.

Herb Hoelter, CEO of the National Center on Institutions and Alternatives (NCIA), has provided the same service to other high-profile felons, including Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken and Sotheby's Alfred Taubman.

Madoff will certainly not be eligible for one of the country-club prisons, given the despicable nature of his crimes, but his team will want to be prepared with arguments why he should not be thrown into a hellhole with the worst of violent offenders, such as the Administrative Maximum facility in Florence, Colorado. I suspect that many of his victims, on the other hand, would be delighted to see him locked up with murderers, rapists, terrorists and Jew-hating white supremacists.

According to the London Times, the 150-year sentence Madoff received makes him ineligible for any of the Club Fed prisons. The U.S. Bureau of Prisons uses a "Security Point Total," which represents a prisoner's risk, to determine the level of security the prisoner requires. Depending on his number, Madoff could be assigned to facilities ranging from a minimum-security prison camp (as in Martha's Stewart's stretch at Camp Cupcake) to a "Supermax" facility.

So far, Madoff has spent his time in a maximum-security environment at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York. Hoelter said, "He has been incarcerated under very difficult conditions in these past months. Anywhere he goes is likely to be better than where he is now, unless they throw him into the Supermax . . . He will be able to get exercise. He will be able to do something that makes him productive. He may be able to tutor other inmates."

At sentencing, the judge recommended that Madoff be sent to a low- or medium-security prison in the Northeast. However, this decision is left solely up to the Bureau of Prisons. Madoff will have Hoelter's recommendations to put forth if he's given a chance to make his case .

Boesky served his time at the Lompoc Federal Prison, aka Club Fed West. Mike Milken served 22 months at a minimum-security prison in Pleasanton, California. Taubman spent his nine and a half months at the Federal Medical Center in Rochester, Minnesota, getting medical care on the government dime. Taubman's book, Threshold Resistance, contains some prison advice Madoff may find useful, such as making friends, keeping a pleasant demeanor, and bringing reading material. I'd add one; don't try to start a cigarette investment fund. Eventually, someone will invest a shiv.
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Something tells me that I don't want an economic minded super-thief educating inmates. Then again, if it can turn [insert racist stereotype gang name here] into a marauding pack of white collar criminals, that could certainly be worth it just for shits and giggles.

I also heard an interview on [IIRC] NPR with a group of recently released cons talking about the hierarchy in prison. Apparently he'll likely fall somewhere between child and regular rapists.
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