Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Spoiler ahoy!)

[Pint0 Xtreme]

Spoiler

One thing that bothered me was when Grindor dropped the car containing Sam, Mikaela and Leo several stories down, they were supposedly saved by the airbags when the car hit the ground. Let's assume that airbags could possibly save someone from being killed from dropping in a car that height, notice that Leo the roommate wasn't sitting in the front seat. He was sitting in the back seat without an airbag and his head really should have been smashed in. It's too bad he had to drag on with the rest of movie.

[Stark]

Almost as impressive as their failure to detach a leg while he was in storage.

It's amusing to see them as basically retards playing with stuff someone way more advanced developed, but it still makes it pretty sad that they've got absurd capabilities in some areas and yet defeated by humans.

Oh, and they need to use their nano-powers for paint. I know the CGI guys are just having a great time (and it looks cool), but seriously, they can reformat at will but their paintjob is the first thing to get fucked up.

[Ford Prefect]

It's amusing to see them as basically retards playing with stuff someone way more advanced developed, but it still makes it pretty sad that they've got absurd capabilities in some areas and yet defeated by humans.

I think this is an area in which the second film is superior to the first; consistency of threat. In the first you start out with Blackout completely demolishing a US Army base on his own, then Scorponok is too buff to be taken down by a pair of A10s and a Spooky, then in the last battle Brawl, who is an actual super tank, can't handle a bunch of dudes with buggies and grenade launchers? The US military can beat them in RoftF, but its with assloads of tanks, planes, MLRS and a B1 Lancer.

Oh, and they need to use their nano-powers for paint. I know the CGI guys are just having a great time (and it looks cool), but seriously, they can reformat at will but their paintjob is the first thing to get fucked up.

I can see why Megs and Starscream stick with that metallic grey colour.

[Singular Intellect]

I mean the Transformers don't need energon (an energy like no other!) to function, but God knows what they were using when barreling through space for centuries at a time.

What, Transformers are immune to intertia?

[Vympel]

I can see why Megs and Starscream stick with that metallic grey colour.

Well, Starscream was covered in Cybertronian paint/ markings in this film. He wasn't in the USAF classic F-22A paint-scheme anymore.

[Havok]

Spoiler

One thing that bothered me was when Grindor dropped the car containing Sam, Mikaela and Leo several stories down, they were supposedly saved by the airbags when the car hit the ground. Let's assume that airbags could possibly save someone from being killed from dropping in a car that height, notice that Leo the roommate wasn't sitting in the front seat. He was sitting in the back seat without an airbag and his head really should have been smashed in. It's too bad he had to drag on with the rest of movie.

It didn't bother you that the airbags DIDN'T go off when she rammed the whore Decepticon into the light post?

This movie was "meh" at best and crap at the worst.
"OMG!!! Optimus is dead!!!" Which might have had a little dramatic impact, along with his resurrection, if Megatron hadn't done it first.
Also the humor... the robot leg humping, the adaption of the racial stereotypes, (What, Cybertron doesn't have it's own personalities?) mom gets high on pot brownies at college... gimme a fucking break. The humor in this movie wasn't aimed at kids, it was aimed at retarded kids.

The sector 7 guy was able to steal like 2 truckloads of classified documents?
Devastator was fucking stupid and a complete waste. "FORM DEVASTATOR AND EAT THE PYRAMID!!!" "Hey Megatron... why don't we just blast it away?" "SHHHHHHSSH!! I'm being dramatic! RAILGUNS!!!"

Of course, you still can barely tell one Decepticon from another in walking mode. (The ABs at least have different colors) The designs still suck. I don't give a fuck how "alien" they look or are supposed to be.

And Soundwave, probably the third most liked Transformer, is a motionless satellite who has none of the traits that made him the third most liked TF... his trademark voice, his devotion to Megatron and a spolier for Starscream's plots against him.

There are very few good things about this movie. Giant robots fighting is always cool. Megan Fox running in slow mo is always cool. (That is not how you paint a motorcycle) The Military weren't incompetent morons and could actually fight the Decepticons. The Sam and Mikela relationship is done pretty well.

Luckily, this is the exact movie I was expecting, so I wasn't disappointed.

[SylasGaunt]

Given that optimus took the thing out with a single shot, weapons fire to unearth the thing probably isn't the best idea.

[TheLostVikings]

Devastator was fucking stupid and a complete waste. "FORM DEVASTATOR AND EAT THE PYRAMID!!!" "Hey Megatron... why don't we just blast it away?" "SHHHHHHSSH!! I'm being dramatic! RAILGUNS!!!"

The obvious flaw in this criticism is the unstated assumption that individual Decepticons have the firepower to blow the pyramid away. Clearly they didn't.

Not to mention the fact that there is a slight difference from "sucking off the top layer of pyramid to reveal the machine below" and "blowing it up".

After all prime K.O.ed the whole thing with one shot, which probably means excavating it with guns would be a less than ideal idea...

[wautd]

Spoiler

One thing that bothered me was when Grindor dropped the car containing Sam, Mikaela and Leo several stories down, they were supposedly saved by the airbags when the car hit the ground. Let's assume that airbags could possibly save someone from being killed from dropping in a car that height, notice that Leo the roommate wasn't sitting in the front seat. He was sitting in the back seat without an airbag and his head really should have been smashed in. It's too bad he had to drag on with the rest of movie.

The sector 7 guy was able to steal like 2 truckloads of classified documents?

I was frowning my eyebrows when the contacted that aircraft carrier captain.

Simmons: "Hi, I'm a random schmuck but do as I say"
Captain: "Uhm, OK"

[Ford Prefect]

What, Transformers are immune to intertia?

Do I really have to explain that Transformers, as living organisms, actually require energy to not die?

[Pint0 Xtreme]

I think someone mentioned this earlier but the first film captured my wonder throughout the movie better than this one. They had a lot of potential with Devastator but his brief appearance was ultimately underwhelming. Not to mention the climatic battle in TF1 for some reason had a more epic sense despite the smaller number of transformers involved. One of my favorite scenes in TF1 was when Sam was clinging to the edge of the building while Megatron was threatening him. When Sam in TF2 was being revived, I didn't feel anything.

Music-wise, TF1 was effective. TF2 was unfortunately sort of forgettable. But I personally felt TF2 wasn't unbearably bad. I'll probably go see it again. It does disappoint though when compared to TF1.

[Vympel]

Havoc's deciding a movie he didn't like justify out of the blue flaming of posters personally have been flushed to the HoS where they belong.

[Old Plympto]

Music-wise, TF1 was effective. TF2 was unfortunately sort of forgettable. But I personally felt TF2 wasn't unbearably bad. I'll probably go see it again. It does disappoint though when compared to TF1.

I just heard the score soundtrack. There are a couple of new themes which consist of very simple melodies but jazzed up with a some electronica. Too simple, in fact, and ultimately the visuals WILL overwhelm the melodies turning it into nothing more than elevator music. The Witwicky theme that makes a return in the movie is not in the CD, thankfully.

However, there are iteration of the Optimus theme and the Bumblebee theme (which really isn't the Bumblebee theme for practical purposes - more like "The Allspark Folds Into Itself" theme) from the first movie that stood out in this soundtrack CD. Don't remember where it turned up in the movie though. Watching again with the wife and kid in just under 2 hours.

[K. A. Pital]

Liked it. No less dumber than the first movie, where they tried to "hide" the cube in the city and then send Sam to rendezvouz with a helicopter, when three most powerful decepticons are flight-capable and destroy that helicopter like a fingersnap? Real smart, that.

Yes, Fallen and Devastator were a little underwhelming. I'd have more fights with them instead of Sam's useless parents. However, the first movie had likewise useless Sam-parents scenes which would easily go under for a better climactic fight. I mean, Megatron and Optimus "final battle" in TF1 was likewise extremely underwhelming (when they finally started brawling after Sam fell from the roof).

Too bad about the Fallen though. His teleport shit and magnetic stuff were awesome. He should've thrown puny autobots around. Also, it would be better without Megatron in the final fight.

Finally, bring on TF3 and Unicron.

[Oskuro]

Finally, bring on TF3 and Unicron.

Yeah baby! Galactus in Rise of the Silver Surfer was such a cocktease. I want planet-gobbling action!!!

[Old Plympto]

Just got back from second viewing.

You know what's was perfect? In the final battle when Optimus shoots Megatron in the face, then shoots him again throwing him through a wall, Megatron looks around and wails, "STARSCREEAAMM." Hugo Weaving nailed the pronounciation perfectly.

I counted at least 2 unidentified Decepticon protoform types in the final battle, in addition to the Constructicons and the Bonecrusher clone. One has a cannon on each forearm, and the other has sharp horns or blades coming out of his shoulder.

Also, when Jetfire arrived to join the fray I think he sliced a Mixmaster-type Constructicon in two.

[Anguirus]

And Soundwave, probably the third most liked Transformer, is a motionless satellite who has none of the traits that made him the third most liked TF... his trademark voice, his devotion to Megatron and a spolier for Starscream's plots against him.

His voice was unmodulated but otherwise the same "Dr. Claw" Frank Welker voice. I thought it was fine on reflection, maybe even more menacing than if they'd done it modulated. His devotion to Megatron is obvious...he went well out of his way and expended a powerful artifact + one of his own troops to resurrect him. As for Starscream's plots, I missed them too but there was clearly no more plot to be crammed into the film...it's barely comprehensible as is.

You did leave out the most important thing about Soundwave, the thing that they got right...he spies on the good guys and then uses that knowledge and BRUTALLY fucks them to pieces.

[neoolong]

Soundwave was great. He didn't have to personally blast the Autobots or humans in order to be awesome. The voice didn't really bother me, and the head seemed rather inspired by the original.

And he got to violate a satellite, so there's that.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Soundwave was great. He didn't have to personally blast the Autobots or humans in order to be awesome. The voice didn't really bother me, and the head seemed rather inspired by the original.

And he got to violate a satellite, so there's that.

And to eject his sperm through it's long tube

[VF5SS]

Technically Soundwave did have his trademark voice. When Frank Welker does Soundwave's voice its really just a heavily altered version of his Doctor Claw voice. Here's a gaff from the original cartoon where you hear the unaltered voice.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Soundwave was great. He didn't have to personally blast the Autobots or humans in order to be awesome. The voice didn't really bother me, and the head seemed rather inspired by the original.

And he got to violate a satellite, so there's that.

And to eject his sperm through it's long tube

Ravage is the lovechild of two satellites!

[Havok]

And Soundwave, probably the third most liked Transformer, is a motionless satellite who has none of the traits that made him the third most liked TF... his trademark voice, his devotion to Megatron and a spolier for Starscream's plots against him.

His voice was unmodulated but otherwise the same "Dr. Claw" Frank Welker voice. I thought it was fine on reflection, maybe even more menacing than if they'd done it modulated. His devotion to Megatron is obvious...he went well out of his way and expended a powerful artifact + one of his own troops to resurrect him. As for Starscream's plots, I missed them too but there was clearly no more plot to be crammed into the film...it's barely comprehensible as is.

You did leave out the most important thing about Soundwave, the thing that they got right...he spies on the good guys and then uses that knowledge and BRUTALLY fucks them to pieces.

That I did like about Soundwave. Hang back and let the cassettes do their thing, while coordinating the entire offensive.
On Starscream's plots, they could have easily dropped some of the parents or Sector 7 retard and have Starscream scheming with the Fallen to let Megatron take the fall so that SS becomes his second in command while having Soundwave keep him informed of the treachery then have Megatron turn on the Fallen, which fits his character far more than being an underling.

[Shroom Man 777]

That would be a neat reversal Hav. Maybe then it would end with the Fallen dead and Megatron making his escape in a way mirroring that of Starscream in the first movie? And with things actually going according to Megatron's plan, even with a Decepticon defeat, rather than like how the movie went with their tails tucked between their legs and Megs missing a bit of his face, the Decepticons would still be a looming threat for a potential fourth movie!

[SAMAS]

It's amusing to see them as basically retards playing with stuff someone way more advanced developed, but it still makes it pretty sad that they've got absurd capabilities in some areas and yet defeated by humans.

I think this is an area in which the second film is superior to the first; consistency of threat. In the first you start out with Blackout completely demolishing a US Army base on his own, then Scorponok is too buff to be taken down by a pair of A10s and a Spooky, then in the last battle Brawl, who is an actual super tank, can't handle a bunch of dudes with buggies and grenade launchers? The US military can beat them in RoftF, but its with assloads of tanks, planes, MLRS and a B1 Lancer.

Brawl first went down to a combination of the soldiers plus getting Triple-Teamed by Jazz, Ratchet, and Ironhide, then got back up and pinned the soldiers before Bumblebee finally took him down.

[Molyneux]

And Soundwave, probably the third most liked Transformer, is a motionless satellite who has none of the traits that made him the third most liked TF... his trademark voice, his devotion to Megatron and a spolier for Starscream's plots against him.

His voice was unmodulated but otherwise the same "Dr. Claw" Frank Welker voice. I thought it was fine on reflection, maybe even more menacing than if they'd done it modulated. His devotion to Megatron is obvious...he went well out of his way and expended a powerful artifact + one of his own troops to resurrect him. As for Starscream's plots, I missed them too but there was clearly no more plot to be crammed into the film...it's barely comprehensible as is.

You did leave out the most important thing about Soundwave, the thing that they got right...he spies on the good guys and then uses that knowledge and BRUTALLY fucks them to pieces.

Why does everyone assume that Hightower is killed underwater? Five Decepticons went down, six came up...when I saw the film I just figured that they ripped his legs off, and dragged him along with them back to the surface.