Does anybody have an exact ship count of Imp or Fed fleets?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-02-08 02:37pm

Ben Ingram wrote:

No. Those closest we have is the 25,000 ISD comment from Spectre of the Past.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-08 02:40pm

Well we can get a close count on Federation Starships thanks to Dialog and it rests definatly at somewhere under 20,000 with 6,00,-14,000 where most estmates place it, Exact numbers... I belive it was done awhile back in another thread

Star Wars is even harder but we do know this
Million Memeber Worlds
Sector is 1-10 Solar Systems
Each Sector has a Sector Fleet containing 24 Imperal Star-Destroyers +X Support ships(Ends up being a few hundred per Sector, 150-250ish)
Assuming every Solar system has three Habital Planets(Unlikey)
And each sector is ten systems
333,333/10=33,333 Systems each of which have a minium of one hundred fifty ships(Even backwaters have a Frigit or Two) putting us at just over Five Million Ships in Total

It should be noted Key Military Sites and systems have extra ships, For example Courscant has its own Sector Fleet Assigned to it and this does not count the Navy Itself(Sector Fleets are Defensive, The Navy is Offensive and thats another thousand ships or so)

Having somthing on hand to fight back is key in SW, after all, an inhabiten planet unprotected can be slaged in under an hour and a half so you have to have Defense on hand as even Private Citizens have access to Gigaton level weaponry

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-02-08 02:43pm

Oh, I would have put SW capships in the 50-500 million range, with another two or so trillion in fighters and frigates......

StimNeuro · Post by **StimNeuro** » 2003-02-09 01:16am

Marina wrote an essay on the numbers of Star Destroyers in the Imperial fleet. It should still be available at the FanFic Archive.

StimNeuro · Post by **StimNeuro** » 2003-02-09 01:18am

Crap. Sorry all, didn't mean to bump this thread up in the list.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-02-09 01:26am

Mid range Federation fleet number is aproximately 12,000.

Mid range Imperial fleet number is aproximately 20 million IIRC.

Mid range Imperial Remnant (Thrawn Era) is aproximately 500,000 IIRC. Yeah, the death of the Emporer and the internal faction fighting really hit the Empire hard.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2003-02-09 04:10pm

Slightly less than 80,000 Federation which is not all capital ships from the NCC numbers where the highest is in the high 70ks , it does include vessels like the Runabouts that get their own NCC numbers and judging by where the numbers were at in TOS-TMP and TNG-DS9 era probably a good fourth to half of the Federation fleet is 50 years old or more.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-09 04:14pm

SCVN 2812 wrote:Slightly less than 80,000 Federation which is not all capital ships from the NCC numbers where the highest is in the high 70ks , it does include vessels like the Runabouts that get their own NCC numbers and judging by where the numbers were at in TOS-TMP and TNG-DS9 era probably a good fourth to half of the Federation fleet is 50 years old or more.

Doesn't that assume, though, that the UFP hasn't lost any ships? NCC numbers are generally not re-used, except in cases where a ship is given the same name and numerical designation of a previous ship and a letter suffix.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-09 04:16pm

Well you might need that many ships considering the pathetic speed of warp drive.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2003-02-09 04:24pm

That would have been a high end estimate, the number of ships and starships gets progressively smaller depending on the percentage destroyed and the number of capital ships smaller as well depending on how the percentage of it you allot to special cases like the Danube who while not being what you'd normally consider a starship gets its own NCC number anyway.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-09 04:33pm

SCVN 2812 wrote:That would have been a high end estimate, the number of ships and starships gets progressively smaller depending on the percentage destroyed and the number of capital ships smaller as well depending on how the percentage of it you allot to special cases like the Danube who while not being what you'd normally consider a starship gets its own NCC number anyway.

Oh, I see. You were saying that the NCC number method is the high-end estimate. Yes, I agree with you, there.

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2003-02-09 04:51pm

According to the Imperial sourcebook a sector group consists of 2400 combat starships including 24 ISDs.According to the same paragraph there are thousands of sector groups under the Emperors control so to the very least 7,2 million combat starships.However what is interesting in this is that then the spectre of the past quote would be incorrect and there are actually over 70000 ISDs in the Empires command.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-09 05:57pm

Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:According to the Imperial sourcebook a sector group consists of 2400 combat starships including 24 ISDs.According to the same paragraph there are thousands of sector groups under the Emperors control so to the very least 7,2 million combat starships.However what is interesting in this is that then the spectre of the past quote would be incorrect and there are actually over 70000 ISDs in the Empires command.

Peallon was just a Commander when the Empire fell. His knowledge of the fleet numbers might not be accurate.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-09 06:20pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:According to the Imperial sourcebook a sector group consists of 2400 combat starships including 24 ISDs.According to the same paragraph there are thousands of sector groups under the Emperors control so to the very least 7,2 million combat starships.However what is interesting in this is that then the spectre of the past quote would be incorrect and there are actually over 70000 ISDs in the Empires command.

Peallon was just a Commander when the Empire fell. His knowledge of the fleet numbers might not be accurate.

He was not privy to knowledge of Thrawn's fleets in the UR nor Palpatine's reserves and defense fleets in the Deep Core.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-09 06:38pm

Or he was refering to only the Newer ISD MK II's as has been speculated many times instead of counting in MK I's as well(Of which they had quite a few of)

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-13 01:01am

If the Federation didn't include f'ing FIGHTERS in their ship counts then it would be a lot easier.

"Damn Capn! thats a 73 ship fleet there!"

"I only see one"

"Dem tricky bastards have 72 fighters in the belly of dat thing!"

"Oh yeah, why do we do that anyway?"

"No idear"

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-02-16 01:04am

*L* imagine there reaction to Vaders Death Squadron it hd what % Sds an Executor class SD and nume3rous support ships not counting fighters?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-02-16 01:24am

One speculation on Pellaeon's 25,000 is that he was referring to the maximum number of Star Destroyers that could be considered "free for service" in an emergency, rather than being tied to defense duty.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-16 02:16am

Pablo Sanchez wrote:One speculation on Pellaeon's 25,000 is that he was referring to the maximum number of Star Destroyers that could be considered "free for service" in an emergency, rather than being tied to defense duty.

That works intrestingly....assuming you could make it 1/3 of the ISD's overall....plus a few extra you get that....

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-16 09:38am

Pablo Sanchez wrote:One speculation on Pellaeon's 25,000 is that he was referring to the maximum number of Star Destroyers that could be considered "free for service" in an emergency, rather than being tied to defense duty.

If he meant that, then the IR has 600 ISDs.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-02-16 10:18am

Darth Fanboy wrote:If the Federation didn't include f'ing FIGHTERS in their ship counts then it would be a lot easier.

"Damn Capn! thats a 73 ship fleet there!"

"I only see one"

"Dem tricky bastards have 72 fighters in the belly of dat thing!"

"Oh yeah, why do we do that anyway?"

"No idear"

The Federation DOESN'T include fighters in their ship counts.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-02-16 10:23am

Pellaeon was very clearly stating that at the height of the Empire it had 25,000 Star Destroyers it could use. The quote clearly indicates that is the max number of Star Destroyers. By extension the term Star Destroyer when written by Zhan clearly means Imperial Star Destroyers. The Empire had 25,000 ISDs (MK1 and MK2) at its height. And yes, Pellaeon would most certainly know. The Empire would keep records on its fleet and when he achieved the rank of Supreme Commander to the IR fleet he would most definately know what the Empire had prior to Endor.

FYI, it was stated the IR had no more then 200 ISDs. There were no free ISDs because Major Tierce had to take ships off the line because that was all that was available and that scared Moff Disra.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-16 01:13pm

I prefer Marina's interpretation myself.

25,000 ISDs good for use at any given time.

With other ships tied to sectors and bases and campiagns like Thrawn's.

25 k ISDs Mk. 1 and Mk. 2 is simply not enough to patrol something the size of the Empire, esp. when the damn Federation supposedly has 12,000 ships for their comparitively puny territory and industrial capacity.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-16 03:36pm

Alyeska wrote:Pellaeon was very clearly stating that at the height of the Empire it had 25,000 Star Destroyers it could use. The quote clearly indicates that is the max number of Star Destroyers. By extension the term Star Destroyer when written by Zhan clearly means Imperial Star Destroyers. The Empire had 25,000 ISDs (MK1 and MK2) at its height. And yes, Pellaeon would most certainly know. The Empire would keep records on its fleet and when he achieved the rank of Supreme Commander to the IR fleet he would most definately know what the Empire had prior to Endor.

How? After 20 years, records could be destroyed, stolen or unaccessable because those with the authorization codes are dead.

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