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No joke; the thread title is the actual title of a Time Magazine article:
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Why Are Southerners So Fat?
By Claire Suddath Thursday, Jul. 09, 2009

People from Mississippi are fat. With an adult obesity rate of 33%, Mississippi has gobbled its way to the "chubbiest state" crown for the fifth year in a row, according to a new joint report by Trust for America's Health and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. Alabama, West Virginia and Tennessee aren't far behind, with obesity rates over 30%. In fact, eight of the 10 fattest states are in the South. The region famous for its biscuits, barbecue and pecan pies has been struggling with its weight for years — but then again, so has the rest of the country. Wisconsin loves cheese, New Yorkers scarf pizza, and New Englanders have been known to enjoy a crab cake or two. So why is the South so portly?

For one thing, it's poor. Mississippi is not only the fattest state in the nation, but also the poorest, with 21% of its residents living below the poverty line, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Alabama and West Virginia, the second and third fattest states, are tied for fifth poorest. With a poverty rate of 14%, the South is easily the most impoverished region in the country. "When you're poor, you tend to eat more calorie-dense foods because they're cheaper than fruits and vegetables," explains Jeff Levi, executive director of Trust for America. Poor neighborhoods also have fewer grocery stores, even in the rural South. A 2004 study by the University of South Carolina found that most food-shopping options in rural areas fall into the convenience-store category because grocery stores are located too far away. But although poverty puts people at risk for obesity, it doesn't determine their fate. A number of impoverished states — including Montana, Texas and New Mexico — have relatively low levels of obesity. There must be something else. (See the top 10 food trends of 2008.)

Maybe it's the culture. Southerners definitely enjoy their fried chicken (not to mention fried steak, fried onions, fried green tomatoes, fried pickles and fried corn bread). Even when their food isn't fried, they like to smother it in gravy. But while nutritionists frequently blame Southerners' large guts on their regional food choices, the accusation is a little unfair. Just as Californians don't actually live on wheat grass and tofu, Southerners don't really sit around eating fried chicken every day. "I've not come across anything that says the diet in the Southeast is worse than the rest of the country," says David Bassett, co-director of the University of Tennessee's Obesity Research Center. "We're definitely in what I like to call the 'Stroke Belt,' " he says, referring to Southeastern states' high percentage of heart disease and hypertension, "but I think that has more to do with Southerners' lack of physical activity rather than the food." (Read "A Brief History of Barbecue.")

Bassett isn't just talking about neglected gym memberships and people who sit on the couch all day. Physical activity can be something as simple as walking to the bus stop. That's another problem, by the way: the South doesn't have many bus stops. Public transportation is paltry, and for most people, the best way to get around is by car. "You don't really think of riding the train as exercise, but at least you have to walk a few blocks to get to the stop," says Bassett. States like Mississippi and Tennessee also have a surprising lack of sidewalks, discouraging even the most eager pedestrians. Many roads are narrower than those in the North — where streets have wider shoulders to accommodate winter snow — and people who want to bike or jog find themselves uncomfortably close to traffic.

But who wants to exercise when it's 100 degrees outside? The South is really hot and humid. Nobody in Mississippi goes running in the summer — at least, nobody sane. Bassett points out that Colorado, the state with the lowest obesity rate (18.9%), is relatively affluent and has a temperate climate and plenty of trails that lend themselves to outdoor activities. (See a special report on the science of appetite.)

So there you have it. Southerners have little access to healthy food and limited means with which to purchase it. It's hard for them to exercise outdoors, and even when they do have the opportunity, it's so hot, they don't want to. To combat this affliction, some Southern states have adopted programs to fight rising obesity. In 2003, Arkansas passed a school body mass index–screening program that assesses weight and sends the results home to parents. Tennessee encourages its schools to buy fresh ingredients from local growers. And in 2007, Mississippi adopted nutritional standards for school lunches. Most of these programs are relatively new, so it will be a few years before experts can determine their efficacy. "I think there's reason for optimism," says Barrett. "But it's likely that the Southeast will lag behind the rest of the country for some time to come."
It's interesting how pretty much every problem you could think of all stack on top of one another to create a sort of Perfect Storm of obesity.
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I don't buy the exercise point. I am from northern germany and yet I didn't gain any weight during my one-year stay in Lousiana, in fact I lost some despite the ridiculous amount of calories I ate (fried chicken, crawfish etc....). However, I was also pretty much the only one running outdoors I ever saw.
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There were a bunch of studies a while ago that found a correlation between fitness and walking on a regional basis. Having met southerners, and having spent time in Texas, I believe it. They tended to view walking somewhere (no matter how close) as only somewhat more desirable than the plague. Having lived most of my life in New York City I've always thought walking to places to be the easiest way to get around, and when I'd suggest it they'd look at me like I'd grown two extra heads. So when you spend almost all day sitting in one place or another and view the least arduous (and most enjoyable, I think) form of exercise as torture (to say nothing of anything more tiring) of course you're going to get fat. And it doesn't help that it's socially acceptable to be overweight.

Gods, excuse me. I mean it's all a virus and genetics and people with excess fat are merely victims of circumstance.
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Straha wrote: They tended to view walking somewhere (no matter how close) as only somewhat more desirable than the plague.
And because no-one walks anywhere, anyone who does has to be extra aware of all these steel deathboxes rumbling around the place.
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Straha wrote: They tended to view walking somewhere (no matter how close) as only somewhat more desirable than the plague.
And because no-one walks anywhere, anyone who does has to be extra aware of all these steel deathboxes rumbling around the place.
I don't buy that either, at least not for those people who have a strip of land or a yard. Nobody is preventing you from doing laps in your frontyard, or in your driveway.
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The no exercise in the humidity/heat is bullshit anyways, it's regularly high 30's with 100% humidity here and I see folks running all the time. Add to that I worked with some very fat guys and yet we where out every weekday morning doing PT (usually running up and down hills). They just need to do it in the morning or evening when things are cooler and drink a lot of water.
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Straha wrote: They tended to view walking somewhere (no matter how close) as only somewhat more desirable than the plague.
And because no-one walks anywhere, anyone who does has to be extra aware of all these steel deathboxes rumbling around the place.
But that's not hard. I've walked dozens of miles by the side of busy roads with no sidewalks (not all at once, of course.) All you have to do is stay off the road and make sure to walk against traffic so you can see the death machines coming. That's it.

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It's hard for me to discount the idea that diet is not a large, large part of all this. Do you have any idea how many people I've heard bragging about how they're eating unhealthy? Or how many I hear saying healthy eating is all bullshit because they know this guy who lived a long time eating bacon and what about that one runner who had a heart attack while running a died? Or the size of portions I see on plates of food? Or the waddling sacks of flab I see struggling into the local fast food joints? Or how many of my friends would look at me like I had an arm growing out of my forehead when we went out to eat and I ordered from the healthy section of the menu? Or how many times I've heard people encouraging me to eat unhealthy and just run more, though they themselves never do and surprise they're packing on weight?

And there's just outright ignorance. My ex-girlfriend used to get mad at me when I'd point out that having a breakfast of Girlscout cookies and a candy bar was bad for her because "I had fruit for lunch, that makes it okay!"

I know that this is all anecdotal as well, but you can only hear this kind of crap so much and see so many fat people everywhere before it starts to make you wonder just how many people actually do live like this. For Christ's sake, I see fat people going to the local "health food" shop (i.e. a smoothie store) and ordering the largest most calorie laden shake they have and I've heard them quietly whispering to each other wondering why I, the relative in-shape one, is only ordering the small, fruit-only smoothie.

At the same time, there seems to be a small but growing trend to going back to eating the way our forefathers did. I was browsing cookbooks on Amazon, I think it was Nose to Tail Eating by Fergus Henderson where I saw this particular example (in the reviews), and someone was praising his book for liberal use of porkfat and butter, cream and so forth because that's how our forefathers ate and they were skinny. They also said something to the effect that boneless, skinless chicken breast had killed more people than, I think it was bacon or butter, I don't recall. Never mind that their life expectancy was a full decade and a half lower!
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The Spartan wrote:At the same time, there seems to be a small but growing trend to going back to eating the way our forefathers did. I was browsing cookbooks on Amazon, I think it was Nose to Tail Eating by Fergus Henderson where I saw this particular example (in the reviews), and someone was praising his book for liberal use of porkfat and butter, cream and so forth because that's how our forefathers ate and they were skinny. They also said something to the effect that boneless, skinless chicken breast had killed more people than, I think it was bacon or butter, I don't recall. Never mind that their life expectancy was a full decade and a half lower!
I bet they did a hell of a lot more hard manual labour too.
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Diet must be a part of this. You can only burn so many calories when walking to the bus stop and back.

When I were in Toronto, when I were lunching in McDoofus, the McChickenmenu had me going for a full day. I didn't even eat dinner after that and was still feeling stuffed next morning.

I'm 170lbs, and work as a programmer (burns lots of sugar, like all brainwork), and I took a walk from Dundas Square to Harbour and back every evening, and still, I did not need more that 1 menu and a small breakfast for the day.

I still wonder about guys eating 2 Bigmacs in one sitting.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, the further south you get, the bigger the meals and the more often you get the allyoucaneatyoufatbastard-variety restaurants.
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Teebs wrote:I bet they did a hell of a lot more hard manual labour too.
That and the reduced life span is exactly what I point out when someone brings that up to my face.
LaCroix wrote:And correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, the further south you get, the bigger the meals and the more often you get the allyoucaneatyoufatbastard-variety restaurants.
I don't know about how it looks between different regions, but there certainly do seem to be an awful lot of them.

Even the ones that are relatively sane are still overloading plates with calories.
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LaCroix wrote:Diet must be a part of this. You can only burn so many calories when walking to the bus stop and back.

When I were in Toronto, when I were lunching in McDoofus, the McChickenmenu had me going for a full day. I didn't even eat dinner after that and was still feeling stuffed next morning.

I'm 170lbs, and work as a programmer (burns lots of sugar, like all brainwork), and I took a walk from Dundas Square to Harbour and back every evening, and still, I did not need more that 1 menu and a small breakfast for the day.

I still wonder about guys eating 2 Bigmacs in one sitting.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, the further south you get, the bigger the meals and the more often you get the allyoucaneatyoufatbastard-variety restaurants.
Consumer culture is also a factor. Remember, for only a dollar more you can have another chickenfried steak, so people pay extra, stuff themselves with even more fried fats and think they're winners for spending their money so wisely! I didn't catch on to this until a few years ago when I realized that while I could get the Xtra-Large Coke at the movie theater for only fifty cents more (what a bargain!), I neither needed nor wanted a half-gallon of soda.

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The Spartan wrote:At the same time, there seems to be a small but growing trend to going back to eating the way our forefathers did. I was browsing cookbooks on Amazon, I think it was Nose to Tail Eating by Fergus Henderson where I saw this particular example (in the reviews), and someone was praising his book for liberal use of porkfat and butter, cream and so forth because that's how our forefathers ate and they were skinny. They also said something to the effect that boneless, skinless chicken breast had killed more people than, I think it was bacon or butter, I don't recall. Never mind that their life expectancy was a full decade and a half lower!
I bet they did a hell of a lot more hard manual labour too.
Indeed they did. Working 12-hour days outside and without air conditioning tended to burn off most of that fat.
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Have people seen how southerners cook food? As just one example, they use bacon grease and deep-fry oils in so many fucking things it's amazing that they aren't even more obese than what they already are.
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Yeah, the original article pays very short shrift to the diet angle. It addresses it only with this:
"I've not come across anything that says the diet in the Southeast is worse than the rest of the country," says David Bassett, co-director of the University of Tennessee's Obesity Research Center.
That's not really anywhere close to the treatment that this subject deserves. He doesn't even indicate that he's made the slightest effort to research the subject, even though there are many horribly unhealthy "regional dishes" that you just don't find elsewhere. Does this guy think that "chicken fried steak" or "hamdog" is on the menu in your average restaurant in Toronto?
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Darth Wong wrote:Yeah, the original article pays very short shrift to the diet angle. It addresses it only with this:
"I've not come across anything that says the diet in the Southeast is worse than the rest of the country," says David Bassett, co-director of the University of Tennessee's Obesity Research Center.
That's not really anywhere close to the treatment that this subject deserves. He doesn't even indicate that he's made the slightest effort to research the subject, even though there are many horribly unhealthy "regional dishes" that you just don't find elsewhere. Does this guy think that "chicken fried steak" or "hamdog" is on the menu in your average restaurant in Toronto?
Indeed, just the idea of "Southern Cooking" labels something as either unhealthy or smothered in gravy. Whether they do it every day or not is irrelevant- it's part of the regional culture and identity to BE un-healthy.
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RE: Chicken Fried Steak

For you foreigners who don't know what this heart-attack-on-a-plate is, think of it as wienerschnitzel, only made from greasy chopped beef instead of veal, breading made in equal parts from lard and flour, deep fried, and buried in a pint of cream gravy. I've lived in Redneckistan most of my life and I can't bring myself to eat it on a regular basis.
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"I've not come across anything that says the diet in the Southeast is worse than the rest of the country," says David Bassett, co-director of the University of Tennessee's Obesity Research Center.
Huh? not sure how he came up with that one, and by shear happenstance, I just got back from the grocery store for lunch and saw what looks to be the new heart attack in a bag - instant microwave pork rinds. The packaging was just like microwave popcorn. Looks like same concept, put in the microwave, heat up, enjoy. I just about puked on the spot. So no we can get even more crap into our diet, just great.

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"I've not come across anything that says the diet in the Southeast is worse than the rest of the country," says David Bassett, co-director of the University of Tennessee's Obesity Research Center.
Huh? not sure how he came up with that one, and by shear happenstance, I just got back from the grocery store for lunch and saw what looks to be the new heart attack in a bag - instant microwave pork rinds. The packaging was just like microwave popcorn. Looks like same concept, put in the microwave, heat up, enjoy. I just about puked on the spot. So no we can get even more crap into our diet, just great.

For those not familiar - Pork Rinds
I suspect the problem in his case may be simply the lack of outside context. Has he ever tried living anywhere outside the South? I don't know if he realizes how disgusting some of that food looks to an outsider. He just focuses on the fact that people in the rest of the country are not perfect (sort of like the way certain Southern apologists point out that racism is not dead in the rest of the country, therefore they assume it must be just as bad everywhere). There are degrees of severity to any problem, including obesity and diet.
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The Spartan wrote:At the same time, there seems to be a small but growing trend to going back to eating the way our forefathers did. I was browsing cookbooks on Amazon, I think it was Nose to Tail Eating by Fergus Henderson where I saw this particular example (in the reviews), and someone was praising his book for liberal use of porkfat and butter, cream and so forth because that's how our forefathers ate and they were skinny. They also said something to the effect that boneless, skinless chicken breast had killed more people than, I think it was bacon or butter, I don't recall. Never mind that their life expectancy was a full decade and a half lower!
There is a certain strain, not often enunciated or spoken but there, where eating healthy is seen as some sort of intellectual/liberal/therefore evil thing, same as with exercise (manual labor doesn't count and is seen as a higher thing than non-manual labor, not that much of that is done in many places except by Hispanic immigrants). It's therefore a good thing to eat deep-fried gravy-covered food for every meal but bad to eat fresh vegetables (though boiling or frying the hell out of them can be okay). It's not strong enough to be used as an actual excuse or reasoning* but it's part of an underlying Us vs. Them framework where anything of Them is to be actively resisted, and Us is that "real America" beer-drinking football-watching ignorant rural Southern crap.


*well...there's probably one person on the internet who does, but there's always one for anything.


Also, I looked up David Bassett.
Professor, Department of Exercise, Sport, and Leisure Studies
Director, University of Tennessee Applied Physiology Laboratory
Co-Director, University of Tennessee Obesity Research Center

It's not lack of outside context. He went to universities outside of the South, but he has his own professional motivations and bias for pushing exercise rather than diet.
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Elfdart wrote:RE: Chicken Fried Steak

For you foreigners who don't know what this heart-attack-on-a-plate is, think of it as wienerschnitzel, only made from greasy chopped beef instead of veal, breading made in equal parts from lard and flour, deep fried, and buried in a pint of cream gravy. I've lived in Redneckistan most of my life and I can't bring myself to eat it on a regular basis.
Lard and flour breading in a deep frier?

How's that supposed to work?
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Thanas wrote:
Vendetta wrote:
Straha wrote: They tended to view walking somewhere (no matter how close) as only somewhat more desirable than the plague.
And because no-one walks anywhere, anyone who does has to be extra aware of all these steel deathboxes rumbling around the place.
I don't buy that either, at least not for those people who have a strip of land or a yard. Nobody is preventing you from doing laps in your frontyard, or in your driveway.
Yes, but you have to go out of your way to do it- whereas in a place where walking is a normal way of going from place to place, you at least get out in the open and moving for an hour or so a day whether you enjoy it or not.

A lot of people do not perform physical exercise purely for the sake of performing exercise. Statistically, these people are going to be fatter in places where people get less exercise for other reasons in the process of everyday life. If you spend all day outside doing farm work, you're not likely to get fat because you have to exercise whether you like it or not. If you live in a hot, humid climate and work indoors, you don't have to exercise, so a lot of people don't.

It's not all that surprising, if you ask me; lots of people avoid doing things that circumstances don't force them to do.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Yes, but you have to go out of your way to do it- whereas in a place where walking is a normal way of going from place to place, you at least get out in the open and moving for an hour or so a day whether you enjoy it or not.
So what? All it does is affirming that people are lazy.
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Re: Why Are Southerners So Fat?

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Yes. The mildly noteworthy thing is that people are lazy everywhere, but they only end up swelling up like balloons if they don't get a baseline level of exercise in everyday life.
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Re: Why Are Southerners So Fat?

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Simon_Jester wrote:Yes. The mildly noteworthy thing is that people are lazy everywhere, but they only end up swelling up like balloons if they don't get a baseline level of exercise in everyday life.
And eating too much food. Even if you're quite sedentary, you don't need to blow up to huge size. Rebecca was almost bedridden for two years with chronic fatigue syndrome, yet she still has her svelte figure. Once she got on her feet again, she started working out and she toned right up.
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Re: Why Are Southerners So Fat?

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I walk everywhere. As long as the weather is nice I usually walk home. I've lost 10 pounds last month doing that.
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