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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... more-59734
Jeb Bush: 'I don't know' if Obama is a socialist
Posted: 12:49 PM ET

From CNN Political Producer Rebecca Sinderbrand


Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is part of the effort, led by House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, to re-brand the GOP.
(CNN) – Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush told an interviewer that he could not say whether or not President Barack Obama is a socialist, and that the president would not have been elected if he had been honest with Americans about his agenda.

Bush would not answer the question of whether he agreed with the assessment of some congressional Republicans that the president is a socialist. "I don't know. Define socialism for me," he told Esquire magazine. "It's a word… I believe he's a collectivist. He believes that through collective action, through government, you can solve more problems." He added that he believed the word "socialism" was a pejorative, and "didn't help" the GOP make its case.

The brother of former President George W. Bush and son of former President George H.W. Bush dismissed the idea that his party's policies were unpopular with most Americans. "I don't think there's any seismic shift. The Democrats have won on tactics," he said. "Barack Obama would not have gotten elected if he'd let us in on his secret plan prior to the election," he said, pointing to the president's economic agenda and energy proposals.

"….He made it appear like McCain was going to raise taxes, which was unfair, but there was no response back. When there was an ideological component, it was generally centrist or even center-right. Had he said what he was going to do as a candidate, (Obama) would have lost."

He downplayed the president's approval ratings, which remain above average. "First of all, who cares?" he said.


"His popularity is no greater – in fact it's less – than what my brother's was during the beginning of his tenure, in a time of unbelievable friction, if you think about it, because of the 2000 election. His approval ratings were higher than Barack Obama's during his first one hundred days."

According to the most recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation polls, Obama's approval ratings have averaged several points higher than President George W. Bush's were at the same point in their presidencies.

Told that Joe the Plumber had briefed congressional Republicans on Gaza, Bush launched into a defense of intellectualism. "I think it's okay to have a deeper understanding of things. I think it's okay to talk in three-syllable words. The world we're living in is incredibly complex," he told the magazine. "And simplifying things to the point where you're misunderstanding where we are as a nation isn't going to help people overcome their fears or give them hope that they can achieve great things. I don't get inspired by shameless populism."

Bush called conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh "a hugely important force for the conservative movement," but added that he was "more interested in elected officials, how they behave."

"I feel happy for Rush to get all this attention. He's one part of a mosaic of people and thought in the conservative movement," he said. "I don't think you can discount his importance. At the same time, he's not an elected official, so I think he has a different responsibility."

Asked by Esquire to name the leaders of the Republican Party, Bush included former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, but did not mention 2012 GOP frontrunners Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee or Sarah Palin.
He discounted the idea he might run for president one day. "Frankly I don't wake up each day assuming I'm the solution to life's problems" — and said he was not upset by observers who say his last name would keep him out of the Oval Office: "It doesn't bother me. I feel blessed. I have a blessed life. I don't feel like life has been unfair at all. I got to be governor of a fantastic state. I got to do what I said I was going to do."
You kind of get a sense that the reporter doesn't like or disagrees with Jeb, as she interjects cnn statistics to directly refute his statements. She also chose an inflammatory title which does not entirely convey the content of the article

I highlighted some instances where the reporter was goading the direction of the story, not that it matters, this seems like a fluff piece. the comments are pretty funny though, as usual.

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I also get the sense Jeb is a standard issue GOP nut. Collectivist, 'It wasn't fair' to point out McCain was going to raise taxes(Tax health benefits, remember that?), making verifiably untrue statements to defend W, approving words for Rush Limbaugh of all humanoid sacks of fail....

I don't get how pointing out other names in the GOP are flinging the socialist claim(They are, and thus the question), or pointing out Jeb was demonstratbly wrong in his statement is 'goading' an article. Also, do you know what 'goad' means? One can neither physically wound, annoy, or anger an article.
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SirNitram wrote: I don't get how pointing out other names in the GOP are flinging the socialist claim(They are, and thus the question), or pointing out Jeb was demonstratbly wrong in his statement is 'goading' an article. Also, do you know what 'goad' means? One can neither physically wound, annoy, or anger an article.
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News articles can't really be goaded into action. The word looking for is slanted but again, I don't see the slant in stating facts. Unless facts really do have a liberal bias.
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SirNitram wrote:News articles can't really be goaded into action. The word looking for is slanted but again, I don't see the slant in stating facts. Unless facts really do have a liberal bias.
She was molding interpretation of Jeb Bush and his credibility, for example where he makes a statement about Obama's popularity, she doesn't simply report the fact that he made that statement, she presents cnn's contradicting statistics.

If the topic of the story had been Obama's popularity, and if she had interviewed more than one person I could see throwing the statistics in, but as it is she interviewed Jeb and then undermined them in the article.

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It's a testament to the sad state of journalism in the USA that providing the correct information to contradict the interviewee's statements is apparently perceived as goading or slanting by some. It's not; what it is, is not letting the interviewee get away with demonstrably false statements, which is part of what a journalist is supposed to do. Journalists are supposed to be critical and factual and report the truth, they're not paid to only mindlessly write down whatever happens to fall out of the mouth of whoever it is they're interviewing. If you know that what your interviewee says is wrong, you have the statistics to prove that, and you're omitting it from your article, then as far as I'm concerned you're a disgrace to the profession.
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Themightytom wrote:She was molding interpretation of Jeb Bush and his credibility, for example where he makes a statement about Obama's popularity, she doesn't simply report the fact that he made that statement, she presents cnn's contradicting statistics.
That's not "molding interpretation" you fucking idiot. If he says something that is outright false then he should have that pointed out to him.
If the topic of the story had been Obama's popularity, and if she had interviewed more than one person I could see throwing the statistics in, but as it is she interviewed Jeb and then undermined them in the article.
If he's lying or otherwise spreading incorrect information then that's exactly what should be done.

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Themightytom wrote:http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... more-59734
He discounted the idea he might run for president one day. "Frankly I don't wake up each day assuming I'm the solution to life's problems" — and said he was not upset by observers who say his last name would keep him out of the Oval Office: "It doesn't bother me. I feel blessed. I have a blessed life. I don't feel like life has been unfair at all. I got to be governor of a fantastic state. I got to do what I said I was going to do."
Thank goodness. It's too bad he learned he's not "the solution to life's problems" after he left office here. Between him and the fuckup who replaced him, our budgets are shot to hell and the education system's gotten worse since Walkin' Lawton died in office. Jeb doesn't have to worry about his name keeping him out of office; his smuggling wife, drug addict daughter, and alky son are quite capable of doing that on their own.
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"It's a word… I believe he's a collectivist. He believes that through collective action, through government, you can solve more problems."
Even without looking the word up, I know that isn't its definition.
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More to the point, who cares? Jeb Bush had his run as Florida governor; in my opinion he did a better job than Crist is doing now, but admittedly Crist has had to deal with a worse economic situation. Jeb's not running for higher office, so really, his opinion of the Repub front-runners or insightfully incorrect analysis of poll approval numbers mean jack and shit. It's about as significant politically as Colin Powell's bloviating, i.e. not at all.
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Count Chocula wrote:More to the point, who cares? Jeb Bush had his run as Florida governor; in my opinion he did a better job than Crist is doing now, but admittedly Crist has had to deal with a worse economic situation. Jeb's not running for higher office, so really, his opinion of the Repub front-runners or insightfully incorrect analysis of poll approval numbers mean jack and shit. It's about as significant politically as Colin Powell's bloviating, i.e. not at all.
Except that unlike Jeb Bush, Colin Powell actually has intelligent things to say now that he's not constrained by an official position in the government.
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Themightytom wrote:She was molding interpretation of Jeb Bush and his credibility, for example where he makes a statement about Obama's popularity, she doesn't simply report the fact that he made that statement, she presents cnn's contradicting statistics.
That's not "molding interpretation" you fucking idiot. If he says something that is outright false then he should have that pointed out to him.
Thats not what she did. She did not say "Excuse me sir, but according to a CNN poll..."
She conducted the interview and inserted it after the fact. if you were trying to say it should be pointed out to US, than again, she should have interviewed more people rather than just one person in order to present conflicting viewpoints in a non biased manner.
If the topic of the story had been Obama's popularity, and if she had interviewed more than one person I could see throwing the statistics in, but as it is she interviewed Jeb and then undermined them in the article.
If he's lying or otherwise spreading incorrect information then that's exactly what should be done.

You're some goddamn Mindless Middle Moron aren't you?
SHE is spreading the incorrect information by reporting his comment first of all. Second, he is not issuing the results of a factual poll in a formal manner, he is giving his understanding of the situation in an interview. His understanding may be innacurate but her purpose was not to correct him, else she would have done so in a follow up interview, or, if she had the information at hand she would have done so on the spot.

I don't even know what a mindless middle moron is but I can tell you're a superficial asshole who will plow into defending a percieved assault on your ideals whether it exists or not.

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Themightytom wrote:Thats not what she did. She did not say "Excuse me sir, but according to a CNN poll..."
She conducted the interview and inserted it after the fact. if you were trying to say it should be pointed out to US, than again, she should have interviewed more people rather than just one person in order to present conflicting viewpoints in a non biased manner.
Either way. The results of a poll (presuming it's scientific) are not "conflicting viewpoints" it's fact versus some moron's opinion. When dumbshit's opinion is in contradiction of reality, it's to be point out. What's hard to understand about that?
SHE is spreading the incorrect information by reporting his comment first of all.
Did she distort his comment in anyway? No? Then how is she spreading incorrect information?
Second, he is not issuing the results of a factual poll in a formal manner, he is giving his understanding of the situation in an interview. His understanding may be innacurate but her purpose was not to correct him, else she would have done so in a follow up interview, or, if she had the information at hand she would have done so on the spot.
See above. He's spreading incorrect information (whether through his uninformed opinion or otherwise). If you do that, it gets pointed out. I don't particularly care if it gets pointed out then and there or later after research.
I don't even know what a mindless middle moron is but I can tell you're a superficial asshole who will plow into defending a percieved assault on your ideals whether it exists or not.
Mindless middle moron is someone who is a part of the "mindless middle" which is the kind of person who thinks an article is "biased" because they pointed out someone was full of shit.

If you don't like someone pointing facts out, as she did in her article, maybe you should hide under a rock somewhere so that you don't have to listen to the scary, scary facts.
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