SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread VIII

[Steve]

I've been generally acting under the assumption that Messica has a similar geography to North America, except compressed to scale.

As have I, though with some variations (different rivers, for instance, slightly different climate so that Rosario, equivalent to North Cali, can have vineyards).

I think we've all been doing that (though I shifted the continental divide a bit down towards Panama in my OP and Wiki) and I've gone so far as to name all of my provinces and locales with their equivalent real world names. Likewise with all of my references to the Shinra Republic.

I've been slightly more inventive with names. Granted, Tacoma, Seattle, Bremerton, and Vancouver are all in Cascadia in roughly their RL locations, but a ton of fictional cities and such exist as well.

[Bluewolf]

Heh yeah, I am slowly working out the kinks of where rivers, cities, mountains are etc in my country though I am not sure many would be noticed in the map due to size. Always worth doing though I say.

[Lonestar]

Ryan Mang: The coastal regions of Shepland would be very lush, although not the interior so much.

Thanks and gig 'em

[Bluewolf]

OK, quick question for you CATO guys. With the arms stuff, are you personally RPing their delivery yourselves or can I assume they get dellivered and RP it myself. I just want it cleared up.

[K. A. Pital]

You can assume it delivered within the timeframe agreed, or, if no timeframe was agreed to, delivered in a realistic timeframe. I.e. you make the post.

[PeZook]

Ryan, if that resolution is too large to expediently make, 2048x1024 will do as well. Anything less, and it begins to look downright nasty, especially when viewed from low orbit.

[Lonestar]

How the hell can Bluewolf POSSIBLY afford the purchase he just made?

[Bluewolf]

Maybe becasue I don't want to have to damn well bloody be pushed down by those fucking post count limits? I know you need some kind of bloody levelling system to keep it all in check but god? What fucking chance do I have in doing anything otherwise without joining another alliance automatically? Its really is getting on my nerves. and no,I don't expect to have double or anything but whats the damn point of playing the game if my cap on things which also include infastrture is so choking. Fucking hell

[Bluewolf]

OK, sorry for that outburst, it was immature of me. I have been under a bit of stress so I have been a bit cranky at the moment. I hope I did not piss anyone off.

Oh and how I am paying for it? Spreading it over several years Lone. Its the best way.

[Siege]

And even if we wanted to it's not like the NFT has the capacity to build so many SSGNs simultaneously anyway, Blues Bros is possibly Frequesue's largest military shipbuilder but we're not Wilkonia .

[CmdrWilkens]

And even if we wanted to it's not like the NFT has the capacity to build so many SSGNs simultaneously anyway, Blues Bros is possibly Frequesue's largest military shipbuilder but we're not Wilkonia .

Nope, when we are the principal surface combatant shipyard for half the MESS it kinda gices us some surge capacity.

That being said even spread over several years, and I'm talking at least a dozen, this order alone would amount to multi-billions per year along with subsequent operational expenses. The SSGNs alone would represent more than a billion a year over the course of a decade. Folks might criticize (as has been somewhat simmering) the aquistion costs for some but I will say this I've planned out a budget and been paying for my ships for the last dozen plus years so I'm gonna definately interject myself when folks decide to hop onboard the "hey let me just buy shit" wagon. The unit costs alone are just the tip of the iceberg, for the SSGNs Cialan would have to build an entirely new support and basing infrastructure to support the nuclear plant including training, monitoring, incremental upgrades and overhauls (unless they contract that out in which case they'd pay a premium). A warship isnt' a onetime asset, the lifetime operational costs (and lifetime as in 40 years) easily surpases several times the initial cost. Mid-life SLEP alone is usually a good quarter of the vessel's initial cost and eveyr decade or so will require similair outlays. My point is that larger nations can absorb these costs. Smaller nations can't without skimping somewhere else and no amount of spreading the cost out is going to change that.

[Siege]

Eh, we'll happily write up a contract wherein Cialan gets to use some of our fleet facilities for maintenance at a discount (we'll write it off to CATO as goodwill expenses ). And of course the Vigilant is the cheapest SSGN on the planet (which goes some way to explaining why 24 of them were built or ordered so far). Furthermore the contract as we've settled on has cut the number of subs from 10 to 8, to be delivered over 10 years, and with a provision for scrapping the latter boats should Cialan decide they can't afford more subs than they have at that stage. I agree that it's still a far cry from cheap of course, but if you're going to build a strategic submarine fleet this is probably the most affordable way to do it.

[CmdrWilkens]

If you feel like underwriting several tens of millions of dollars of his cost then sure its out there though I don't know of any boat yard that could affoard the scrap deal you are offering because no supplier will offer the yard such a deal on the long lead components. The reactor vessel, the propellors, the main shaft and enginge components are all items that nobody is willing to deal with on a refundable basis. Your yard either has to start ordering them now...or it has to pay a premium which would drive the cost up.

[Lonestar]

OK, sorry for that outburst, it was immature of me. I have been under a bit of stress so I have been a bit cranky at the moment. I hope I did not piss anyone off.

Oh and how I am paying for it? Spreading it over several years Lone. Its the best way.

You're out of your mind. There's no way your country can afford the expense of maintaining 10 SSGNs, much less purchasing 10 of them

[K. A. Pital]

There's no way your country can afford the expense of maintaining 10 SSGNs

Maybe there's a secret plan to arm the Old C. minor powers to the teeth that you know nothing of. Other than that, I thought those were SSKs...

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Ten SSKs, I could probably understand. Ten full-blown SSGNs, on the other hand? Not so much. Even with the order cut down to just eight, I still have a hard time wrapping my head around that.

Speaking of nukes, I should probably get around to jump-starting my own nuclear programs. I never really got around into detailing Langley's energy infrastructure, but much of it is decidedly non-nuclear; most power plants are either solar, hydroelectric, or geothermal, but there are still a few fossil fuel plants lingering around. There are only a few nuclear power plants in Langley, all of which operate CSR-designed VVER-1000 pressurized water reactors purchased and commissioned during the 1980s. Since most of the VVERs have already met or exceeded the 35-year mark recommended for a major overhaul, it's time they get refurbished. Also, I'd like to have some new power plants commissioned to replace those few remaining fossil fuel plants.

On a related note, even though the Langley Air Force doesn't currently use nukes, its bomber pilots have already adopted Utsuho Reiuji as their patron saint of nuclear hellfire in advance. With that said, perhaps the emblem of the Langley Armed Forces' soon-to-be-formed nuclear R&D corps might make a bit more sense...



[NOTE: I ran both the top and bottom part through an online translator; the top makes little sense, while the bottom means "Investigative about incremental improvement and development of special weapons" or something along those lines. I'd like some clarification (read: STAS HELP).]

[K. A. Pital]

That is some horrid broken Russian, man. "Triglav" is three-head, whereas the lower part reads "Investigator about progressive improvement and development about SPECIAL WEAPONS". The only correct declension in these words is "SPECIAL WEAPONS", all the rest are given in infinitive or default forms without declensions, which makes it very broken.

[Zwinmar]

question for you guys:

What do you think of Caleigh building an energy structure based off of geothermal energy? (aka Iceland)

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

That is some horrid broken Russian, man. "Triglav" is three-head, whereas the lower part reads "Investigator about progressive improvement and development about SPECIAL WEAPONS". The only correct declension in these words is "SPECIAL WEAPONS", all the rest are given in infinitive or default forms without declensions, which makes it very broken.

Well, I found the emblem on a Touhou-themed imageboard a few days ago. It'd be reasonable to assume that most Touhou fans don't know Russian.

That said, if a cleaner version is to be made, the "Three-head" part should actually be "Three-leg" (Utsuho Reiuji's concept is based on the yatagarasu, or three-legged bird, which is associated with the sun [and, by extension, nuclear fusion]), and the stuff on the bottom should be "Investigative Committee for Development of Special Weapons" or something like that; it's 0200 where I am, I got writer's block, and I can't come up with good-sounding codewords or agency names.

[Bluewolf]

Actually Lonestar, I am not out of my mind, more than I am a bit unaware about how certain types of things cost relative to each other. I admit that I had to quickly learn a bit of military formation, types of unit etc in this RP so my knowledge is quite limited, though I am learning. Thats why I made such an insane order. I had no idea (stupidly) that ordering 10 SSGN's may cost a lot and a continue to cost a lot to maintain, never mind logistics, training, arming them etc. Its part of the reason I may make some insane purchases, heh.

So in light I am just going to be reasonable, 4 SSGN's Seige, (2 from the previous order, 2 as in a new one). I am really for sorry dicking you about like this, even more so after the PM stuff last night. To you other guys, is that sane or is it still oo much do you think?

[Siege]

question for you guys:

What do you think of Caleigh building an energy structure based off of geothermal energy? (aka Iceland)

Sounds feasible to me: San Dorado too relies almost exclusively on geothermal power, generated by plants sitting on a huge volcano.

So in light I am just going to be reasonable, 4 SSGN's Seige, (2 from the previous order, 2 as in a new one). I am really for sorry dicking you about like this, even more so after the PM stuff last night.

That's all right, a sale is still a sale .

[Ryan Thunder]

On an entirely unrelated note, how feasible would it be to build a howitzer that fires from a "magazine" of sorts, containing three shells that would be fired over about two seconds?

Would this be any sort of improvement over a regular howitzer?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

On an entirely unrelated note, how feasible would it be to build a howitzer that fires from a "magazine" of sorts, containing three shells that would be fired over about two seconds?

Would this be any sort of improvement over a regular howitzer?

I think burst rate can already deal off 3 or so shells in a few seconds, never mind the Koalition SV that launches two shells in a single salvo by virtue of its twin barrels.

[Czechmate]

Twin barrels? That's gotta be murder on the loaders, unless it's either got more loaders or two autoloaders.

[Siege]

I believe the Koalition has some sort of auto-loading system installed for both barrels. Of course it helps that the thing is ridiculously huge...