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That phrase has absolutely less relevance to computers than any other industry. Sonys are utter shit but they still charge out the nose for them.phongn wrote:You get what you pay for.
In this instance it's obviously referring to the low-end computer linked to in the OP.General Zod wrote:That phrase has absolutely less relevance to computers than any other industry. Sonys are utter shit but they still charge out the nose for them.
Why not? If a manufacturer constantly makes shit I have absolutely no qualms dismissing them out of hand. With the sheer amount of weird proprietary hardware that Dell uses, back-asswards drivers and sometimes strange hardware configurations, they're definitely not someone I'd recommend at all. I can think of a few other manufacturers I'd blast off the bat, but like I said, if a company consistently makes shit then I don't see why they can't be blasted.Alyeska wrote:I have been running my Acer laptop for the last three and a half years. I picked it up in November of 2005 and have been running it since then. It has worked absolutely fabulously for me. I did have to get it cleaned out and have the heatsink reseated because of age (laptops do age quickly in that regard), and since I have upgraded it with more RAM and a new HD. But its worked wonderfully. The only problem with it is it won't boot if a Joystick is left plugged in. Outside of that it has worked like a dream. I bought a 3 year warranty on it and never needed to call once. As others have commented, you do get what you pay for. Any cheap laptop is to be considered suspect of long term reliability. But to outright write off a manufacturer is not smart. People just blasted Dell, except several of their laptops are stupidly reliable. The military loves using them in their Net Caffee's in Iraq and Kuwait. Do your homework and check out reviews on the laptop.
And some of their laptops are genuinely well designed. Some of the Lattitude laptops are solid as a rock when it comes to reliability and durability. When it comes to laptops, your always going to have odd drivers and hardware configurations. To write off an entire brand and refuse to consider it when there are good options is just asinine.General Zod wrote:Why not? If a manufacturer constantly makes shit I have absolutely no qualms dismissing them out of hand. With the sheer amount of weird proprietary hardware that Dell uses, back-asswards drivers and sometimes strange hardware configurations, they're definitely not someone I'd recommend at all. I can think of a few other manufacturers I'd blast off the bat, but like I said, if a company consistently makes shit then I don't see why they can't be blasted.Alyeska wrote:I have been running my Acer laptop for the last three and a half years. I picked it up in November of 2005 and have been running it since then. It has worked absolutely fabulously for me. I did have to get it cleaned out and have the heatsink reseated because of age (laptops do age quickly in that regard), and since I have upgraded it with more RAM and a new HD. But its worked wonderfully. The only problem with it is it won't boot if a Joystick is left plugged in. Outside of that it has worked like a dream. I bought a 3 year warranty on it and never needed to call once. As others have commented, you do get what you pay for. Any cheap laptop is to be considered suspect of long term reliability. But to outright write off a manufacturer is not smart. People just blasted Dell, except several of their laptops are stupidly reliable. The military loves using them in their Net Caffee's in Iraq and Kuwait. Do your homework and check out reviews on the laptop.
If their good laptops are the exception to the rule, then as far as I see it it just makes sense to not even take a look at them when there are plenty of other companies with better track records.Alyeska wrote: And some of their laptops are genuinely well designed. Some of the Lattitude laptops are solid as a rock when it comes to reliability and durability. When it comes to laptops, your always going to have odd drivers and hardware configurations. To write off an entire brand and refuse to consider it when there are good options is just asinine.
Do you even realize how stupid you sound? You acknowledge they make good laptops, then just toss them aside for no good reason.General Zod wrote:If their good laptops are the exception to the rule, then as far as I see it it just makes sense to not even take a look at them when there are plenty of other companies with better track records.Alyeska wrote: And some of their laptops are genuinely well designed. Some of the Lattitude laptops are solid as a rock when it comes to reliability and durability. When it comes to laptops, your always going to have odd drivers and hardware configurations. To write off an entire brand and refuse to consider it when there are good options is just asinine.
Do you even read what I write before you spew bullshit? Having a track-record of making shitty products and the occasional halfway decent machine is not "no good reason". Especially considering the amount of time it takes to dig through their mountains of shit before finding the occasional non-junker.Alyeska wrote:Do you even realize how stupid you sound? You acknowledge they make good laptops, then just toss them aside for no good reason.General Zod wrote:If their good laptops are the exception to the rule, then as far as I see it it just makes sense to not even take a look at them when there are plenty of other companies with better track records.Alyeska wrote: And some of their laptops are genuinely well designed. Some of the Lattitude laptops are solid as a rock when it comes to reliability and durability. When it comes to laptops, your always going to have odd drivers and hardware configurations. To write off an entire brand and refuse to consider it when there are good options is just asinine.
Disregarding known good laptops because OTHER laptops didn't work well does not qualify as a good reason to ignore the known good laptops. Rather then toss out the whole fucking thing, you can do some RESEARCH which anyone buying a laptop should be doing ANYWAY. Oh, you think Dell has a shitty record and the vast majority of their equipment sucks. So you recommend to someone else, without posting actual evidence of suckitude, that they should stay away from every Dell laptop regardless of it actually being good or bad. I'm going to say that LT Dan should get the laptop that suits him for the price, and do his research on what is available. If there are some decent Dell laptops, consider them. If there is a killer deal on an Acer laptop, get it. If the best laptop you can find is from Asus or HP, get it. I am not going to write off an entire brand because some of their equipment sucks. Your hate of Dells is so great that you would tell someone to forgo them entirely regardless of their actual worth. You've already made that abundantly clear. You don't actually care if the laptop is good or not.General Zod wrote:Do you even read what I write before you spew bullshit? Having a track-record of making shitty products and the occasional halfway decent machine is not "no good reason". Especially considering the amount of time it takes to dig through their mountains of shit before finding the occasional non-junker.
Because track-records apparently don't amount to anything in your world.Alyeska wrote:Disregarding known good laptops because OTHER laptops didn't work well does not qualify as a good reason to ignore the known good laptops. Rather then toss out the whole fucking thing, you can do some RESEARCH which anyone buying a laptop should be doing ANYWAY.General Zod wrote:Do you even read what I write before you spew bullshit? Having a track-record of making shitty products and the occasional halfway decent machine is not "no good reason". Especially considering the amount of time it takes to dig through their mountains of shit before finding the occasional non-junker.
What evidence? Besides the history of using bizarre proprietary components, weird drivers, retarded technical support for end-users and bogging down their machines with tons of bloatware? There's literally mountains of evidence against Dell. But obviously that shouldn't affect someone's opinion on individual machines.Oh, you think Dell has a shitty record and the vast majority of their equipment sucks. So you recommend to someone else, without posting actual evidence of suckitude, that they should stay away from every Dell laptop regardless of it actually being good or bad.
Thanks for demonstrating that you don't actually read what I say. Perhaps you'll notice I wasn't blasting just some of their equipment, but the overwhelming majority of it. I've had to put up with a shitload of Dells and every single fucking one has some weird proprietary component or drivers that fuck with any changes you might want to make to the system, this isn't some masturbatory us vs them fantasy, so you're damn right I'll dismiss the entire company. But clearly my first hand experience with them isn't important.I'm going to say that LT Dan should get the laptop that suits him for the price, and do his research on what is available. If there are some decent Dell laptops, consider them. If there is a killer deal on an Acer laptop, get it. If the best laptop you can find is from Asus or HP, get it. I am not going to write off an entire brand because some of their equipment sucks. Your hate of Dells is so great that you would tell someone to forgo them entirely regardless of their actual worth. You've already made that abundantly clear. You don't actually care if the laptop is good or not.
Speaking of which. My first (and only) Dell had an ATI Radeon Card in it. Now; you'd think that'd be great to keep updated?General Zod wrote:What evidence? Besides the history of using bizarre proprietary components, weird drivers
It seems that a lot of laptop video cards are like that. My Acer has an ATI integrated card that had to be updated from Acer.MKSheppard wrote:Speaking of which. My first (and only) Dell had an ATI Radeon Card in it. Now; you'd think that'd be great to keep updated?General Zod wrote:What evidence? Besides the history of using bizarre proprietary components, weird drivers
NOOOOOOOOO. It was some proprietary dell-only card, which could only be updated from drivers on Dell's site; which never were updated at all.
Except this wasn't a laptop. It was a fucking Pentium IV Desktop in the summer of 2001!Alyeska wrote:It seems that a lot of laptop video cards are like that. My Acer has an ATI integrated card that had to be updated from Acer.
Sounds like a custom ATI integrated setup.MKSheppard wrote:Except this wasn't a laptop. It was a fucking Pentium IV Desktop in the summer of 2001!Alyeska wrote:It seems that a lot of laptop video cards are like that. My Acer has an ATI integrated card that had to be updated from Acer.
Except it wasn't. It was a PCI Radeon which was virtually similar to the same model sold in stores, right down to the model number; except it would only take Dell-only drivers.Alyeska wrote:Sounds like a custom ATI integrated setup.
