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The war being waged on the TARP watchdog's independence

Neil Barofsky, the chief watchdog over the $700 billion TARP bank bailout program, is one of those rare creatures in Washington: he takes very seriously his responsibilities of independent oversight and accountability. A career prosecutor, Barofsky is a life-long Democrat who donated money to Obama's presidential campaign. But ever since he was appointed to head the oversight office created by Congress when it enacted TARP -- an office designed to ensure transparency and accountability at the Treasury Department and in the banking industry -- he has repeatedly clashed with Obama's Treasury officials over their lack of transparency in how the trillions of dollars in TARP-related funds are being sent to and used by the banking industry. So seriously does Barofsky take his oversight duties that, as a Washington Post profile noted in March, "he refuses to eat with senior administration officials in the [Treasury] building's executive dining room to maintain his independence."

Barofksy's clashes with administration officials have intensified of late. Last week, he issued a report documenting that the actual amount of taxpayer money theoretically put at risk in the bank bailout -- once Federal Reserve, FDIC and other programs are counted -- is $23.7 trillion, not the widely cited figure of $700 billion, a report that prompted attacks from the White House and Treasury on his credibility. Separately, Barofsky has continuously disputed White House claims that it's impossible to account for what has been done by banks with the TARP funds. Barofsky wants to compel banks to account for those funds and then publicize that information, while the administration opposes such efforts, claiming that accounting for TARP monies is impossible due to the "fungibility" of those funds. To disprove that claim, Barofsky sent out voluntary surveys to the bank which proved that those funds could be tracked (and he found TARP funds were being used by receiving banks largely to acquire other institutions and/or create "capital cushions" rather than increase lending activity, the principal justification for TARP).

Most significant of all, and obviously due to Barofsky's truly independent oversight efforts, the Obama administration is now attempting to induce the Justice Department to issue a ruling that Barofsky's office is not independent at all -- but rather, is subject to, and under the supervision of, the authority of Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner. By design, such a ruling would completely gut Barofsky's ability to compel transparency and exercise real oversight over how Treasury is administering TARP, since it would make him subordinate to one of the very officials whose actions Congress wanted him to oversee: the Treasury Secretary's. Barofsky has, quite rightly, protested the administration's efforts to destroy his independence, and has done so with increasing assertiveness as the administration's war on his oversight activities has increased. Why would an administration vowing a New Era of Transparency wage war on a watchdog whose only mission is to ensure transparency and accountability in these massive financial programs?

It should take little effort to explain the significance of these clashes. The amount of taxpayer money transferred to the banking industry or otherwise put at risk for its benefit is astronomical. Professor Nouriel Roubini argues in a New York Times Op-Ed today that actions by the Federal Reserve over the last nine months helped avert a Depression, while former Governor Eliot Spitzer said this week that the Fed has turned into a "Ponzi scheme" that relies on insider dealing and requires vastly increased scrutiny. Those claims aren't mutually exclusive. It's not surprising that transferring extraordinary sums of taxpayer money to a particular industry will help that industry avoid collapse, but it is still the case that the potential for extreme corruption and even theft in such transactions is enormous (indeed, even Roubini argues that Fed Chairman Ben Bernake played an important role in enabling the crisis in the first place). No matter one's views of the wisdom of the bailout and related programs, transparency, accountability and independent oversight are absolutely vital, and that is what Barosksy's office was created to ensure (though it's unlikely -- given how Washington works -- that Congress actually expected that the person in charge of that office would take those duties seriously and be willing to fight with senior administration officials to protect his independence).

Earlier this week, ABC News' Jake Tapper conducted a 20-minute podcast interview with Barofsky, and I really recommend that everyone listen to it (it can be heard by clicking PLAY on the recorder below or can be downloaded here). Barofsky details the war being waged by the Obama administration -- especially the Treasury Department -- on his independence, as well as their constant and multi-faceted campaign to impede his efforts to bring transparency to what is being done with these vast amounts of money (those obstructionist actions are consistent with the efforts of Senate leaders to block a vote on Ron Paul's bill to audit the Fed, a bill which now has truly bi-partisan and trans-ideological support among a majority of House members). As a hard-core Obama supporter, Barofsky is quite obviously dismayed at what he describes as the failure to adhere to transparency pledges in these areas. Barofsky is particularly worth listening to because his integrity, apolitical independence, and prosecutorial tenacity in imposing accountability are exactly what our political culture so woefully lacks.
Needless to say, I'm not terribly impressed by Obama's first half-year in office. There's fuck all transparency to be had in any of his decisions, and the only thing he seems to be pushing that's remotely desireable is health-care reform - of course, that's a case of "any so-called 'reform' is better than the disaster we have now", given the obsession with not hurting the health-care-extortion-industry's profits.

Just look at his odious 'preventive detention' scheme. It makes me want to throw up.

But, what are you going to do? Vote Republican?

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I was actually wondering about this issue. It seemed like some banks were intentionally acquiring other banks and then asking for a bailout. The end result is at the end we're going to have bigger and a less competitive banking field. I don't know how he takes the FDIC into account though, you would have to pay that out if the banks fail so either way that is a risk.
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You know, I hate to get into arguments and that but could you damn well label titles for what they are? I know your going to read the thread anyway but you have no idea what its refering to and you may want to save the thread to read later etc.
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Bluewolf wrote:You know, I hate to get into arguments and that but could you damn well label titles for what they are? I know your going to read the thread anyway but you have no idea what its refering to and you may want to save the thread to read later etc.
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Sure, I'll tart up the title a bit. :wink:
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ArmorPierce wrote:I was actually wondering about this issue. It seemed like some banks were intentionally acquiring other banks and then asking for a bailout. The end result is at the end we're going to have bigger and a less competitive banking field. I don't know how he takes the FDIC into account though, you would have to pay that out if the banks fail so either way that is a risk.
Well, the government now has AIG, GMAC, and Chrysler Financial to use as backdoor conduits so it could be a while until a big bank fails. If that isn't enough they'll just change the accounting rules again to put off the bank failures for a while long.

Obama's handling of the economy has been absolutely criminal, the lying, lack of transparency, and outright fraud & theft from the taxpayers has reached Banana Republic levels, and is worse than anything seen even under GWB. It's reached the point where the government's statistical releases (unemployment numbers, retail sales, etc.) are completely untrustworthy and have to be derived from other means. It's ridiculous.
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I agree that a lot the governments actions have been ridiculous. I believe the reasoning behind them being misleading with the number is that they are trying to avoid panic a, people panicking can very well cause the house of cards to topple over whereas it might have not if everyone believed that everything was peachy.

The change in accounting rules and allowing the recognition of predicted worth of assets goes completely against the conservatism in accounting which normally states that companies had to recognize assets at lower of cost or market and is highly suspect. I thought that the government getting more involved in accounting regulation with SOX was supposed to decrease this kind of deficiencies, not create more.
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Vympel....

Only I can use HOPE! CHANGE! sarcastically in thread titles or posts. You owe me $40USD or $40AUD, whichever is larger.

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MKSheppard wrote:Vympel....

Only I can use HOPE! CHANGE! sarcastically in thread titles or posts. You owe me $40USD or $40AUD, whichever is larger.

Or you can play me in a game
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MKSheppard wrote:Vympel....

Only I can use HOPE! CHANGE! sarcastically in thread titles or posts.
I thought that was CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

Getting back on topic, I wish I could say I'm surprised or disappointed, or something, but I'm not. As soon as he put Tax Cheat Timmy in charge of Treasury I knew were in for more of the same and worse. There isn't any change, except for the worse, Obama's put the most influential wonks from the Bush & Clinton years together into one economic mega-team, the very people who got us into this mess are in charge of guiding us out of it stealing our money and giving it to Goldman-Sachs. Brilliant!
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Silly people, forgetting who owns the US Government...

Actually fixing the hopelessly corrupt and broken financial system in the United States would be massive and painful to the people who have all the big money, and who can pay for the expensive lobbyists. So the government will go on pretending that the whole thing isn't completely broken, and would have done so whoever got elected.
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It's not who owns the US government; it's who votes for the US government. People love to blame the government for trying to pander to the political process, but what else are they supposed to do? If they don't play the game, they get booted out, or never get there in the first place.

You have to placate two important groups when you run the US government:

1) Ignorant self-serving uneducated morons, who constitute the majority of the general population.

2) Wealthy individuals and corporations who bankroll political campaigns: political campaigns which are only so effective because of the gullibility and poor critical thinking skills of group #1.

Fail to do that, and you become Ralph Nader: a wandering curiosity with no chance whatsoever of gaining real political power. If you want to blame anyone for what's happening in the US (indeed, what happened for the last 30 years), blame The People.
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That's part of what really turns me off of the libertarian "government is always hopelessly cronyistic/corrupt/acting in its own interests" argument: the whole goddamn point of a government of the people, by the people, for the people is an active, intelligent populace voting in its own interests. If the government is not answering to us, then we are not doing our job.
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Surlethe wrote:That's part of what really turns me off of the libertarian "government is always hopelessly cronyistic/corrupt/acting in its own interests" argument: the whole goddamn point of a government of the people, by the people, for the people is an active, intelligent populace voting in its own interests. If the government is not answering to us, then we are not doing our job.
I think the problem is that the government is answering to us. Unfortunately, we keep asking them to deliver things that help only in the local, short-term sense. Few voters have enough vision to ask for things that make sense on a larger scale and in the longer term.
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Darth Wong wrote:I think the problem is that the government is answering to us. Unfortunately, we keep asking them to deliver things that help only in the local, short-term sense. Few voters have enough vision to ask for things that make sense on a larger scale and in the longer term.
And people think I'm crazy for insisting I'd rather have a rational, honest and forward thinking dictator than a democracy based on ignorant masses voting for whoever happens to be most popular (with 'qualified' being generally ignored).

After all, a dictator could abuse his power, but if a population does it, then it's okay. I guess there's innocence in numbers.
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Darth Wong wrote:I think the problem is that the government is answering to us. Unfortunately, we keep asking them to deliver things that help only in the local, short-term sense. Few voters have enough vision to ask for things that make sense on a larger scale and in the longer term.
And people think I'm crazy for insisting I'd rather have a rational, honest and forward thinking dictator than a democracy based on ignorant masses voting for whoever happens to be most popular (with 'qualified' being generally ignored).

After all, a dictator could abuse his power, but if a population does it, then it's okay. I guess there's innocence in numbers.
The problem with dictators is they have a tendancy to get paranoid and toss people in jail, appoint cronies, ignore evidence... essentially Bush but never stepping down. You can get good ones, and on occasion great ones- it tends to be a crapshoot though. Although there are generally signs...
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Darth Wong wrote:I think the problem is that the government is answering to us. Unfortunately, we keep asking them to deliver things that help only in the local, short-term sense. Few voters have enough vision to ask for things that make sense on a larger scale and in the longer term.
And people think I'm crazy for insisting I'd rather have a rational, honest and forward thinking dictator than a democracy based on ignorant masses voting for whoever happens to be most popular (with 'qualified' being generally ignored).

After all, a dictator could abuse his power, but if a population does it, then it's okay. I guess there's innocence in numbers.
Dictatorships have their own rather drastic problems. Ultimately, a system of government is only as good as the people who surround it and participate in it. The root problem is cultural. If Americans could only learn to see "society" as a positive, cohesive entity rather than "the enemy of the individual" as per Ayn Rand's massively egotistical ideology, a lot of these problems would lessen.
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Having had the dubious pleasure of downloading and perusing the SIGTARP report, there are a couple of salient points for us Americans that bear watching:

Point 1: The originally-Congressionally-authorized amount of $700 billion has magically ballooned into about $3 trillion...without further Congressional authorization. From the report:
SIGTARP page 7 wrote:TARP IN FOCUS, AND IN CONTEXT
TARP, as originally envisioned in the fall of 2008, would have involved the purchase,
management, and sale of up to $700 billion of “toxic” assets, primarily
troubled mortgages and mortgage-backed securities (“MBS”). That framework was
soon shelved, however, and TARP funds are being used, or have been announced
to be used, in connection with 12 separate programs that, as set forth in Table 1
on the next page, involve a total (including TARP funds, loans and guarantees from
other agencies, and private money) that could reach nearly $3 trillion. Through
June 30, 2009, Treasury has announced the parameters of how $643.1 billion of
the $700 billion would be spent through the 12 programs. Of the $643.1 billion
that Treasury has committed, $441 billion has actually been spent.
My question is: who's running this? Last time I checked my Constitution, Congress and Congress alone had the power to authorize spending. Where's the Con authorization for the other $2.3 trillion? (Scans older headlines, sees Chrysler, AIG, GM bailout funding)...Never mind, it looks like Benjy and Timmy are running the show.

Point Two:
SIGTARP page 8 wrote:As detailed in Section 3 of this report,
the total potential Federal Government support could reach up to $23.7 trillion.
This is absolute worst-case scenario, meltdown-style potential commitment. It's bad, and we seem to be on the hook for it, but it hasn't happened...yet. For those of you keeping score at home, that amount is just about TWICE the US annual GDP, and would be in addition to our currently budgeted $1.5 trillion deficit, payments on past deficits, non-deficit operating expenses, and other multi-trillion dollar commitments in the VA, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Can you say "yummm, it's a shit sandwich?" Sure you can. The report and tables make for a scary read if you have kids.

The baffling part for me is why the House, Senate, and Executive are allowing this incredible bloating of debt commitments in total defiance of statute and precedent. Seen through the pinholes in my tinfoil hat, it almost seems that the Treasury and Federal Reserve are deliberately trying to ruin the dollar. I'm having trouble seeing the end game...and fear that Ben and Timmy are equally blind.
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Darth Wong wrote:If you want to blame anyone for what's happening in the US (indeed, what happened for the last 30 years), blame The People.

This is an extremely unpalatable reality, ironically moreso for those 'individualist' people who think personal responsibility is very important.

I think you're right and the problem is cultural - how often is the very idea of political action, participation, or even support (outside very narrow 'acceptable' avenues) derided as crankish or worthless? The culture in many democracies - but very much America - seems to be toxic towards the idea of input, participation, dialog, all that sort of thing.
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America is something of a paradox; you've got a very community-based system of government in democracy, but everything about American culture encourages independence, to the detriment of the rest of the society. These things are fundamentally exclusive; you can't not give a shit about cooperation in a democracy, but in America compromise is a dirty word. Politicians who compromise are weak, people who compromise have no values. Think about the vast number of people that do not vote due to a fundamental distrust of government, the 1 in 4 who believe their own government attacked itself on 9/11. To most of the country, America is a bunch of ideas and slogans and a flag to be waved around, but there is no real acknowledgment of the government or the present situation. To the American, any sort of society involving more than one person requires a degree of compromise and is thus unacceptable. This would be why most Americans get "up in arms" about socialism and the left wing and anything they disagree with; the closer others opinions are to their own, the less compromise is required and therefore the easier it is on them. I'm willing to bet that if it wasn't for the constitution getting in the way America would have devolved into anarcho-capitalism by now because everything in their society is geared towards it. The idea of a society where having your financial stability can be compromised by the hospital bills from life-saving procedures being a better option than socialism is a deeply unhealthy society. America is corrupt and broken and I'm so very glad I live elsewhere.
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open_sketchbook wrote:America is something of a paradox; you've got a very community-based system of government in democracy, but everything about American culture encourages independence, to the detriment of the rest of the society. These things are fundamentally exclusive; you can't not give a shit about cooperation in a democracy, but in America compromise is a dirty word. Politicians who compromise are weak, people who compromise have no values. Think about the vast number of people that do not vote due to a fundamental distrust of government, the 1 in 4 who believe their own government attacked itself on 9/11. To most of the country, America is a bunch of ideas and slogans and a flag to be waved around, but there is no real acknowledgment of the government or the present situation. To the American, any sort of society involving more than one person requires a degree of compromise and is thus unacceptable. This would be why most Americans get "up in arms" about socialism and the left wing and anything they disagree with; the closer others opinions are to their own, the less compromise is required and therefore the easier it is on them. I'm willing to bet that if it wasn't for the constitution getting in the way America would have devolved into anarcho-capitalism by now because everything in their society is geared towards it. The idea of a society where having your financial stability can be compromised by the hospital bills from life-saving procedures being a better option than socialism is a deeply unhealthy society. America is corrupt and broken and I'm so very glad I live elsewhere.
The problem is, can the American society in general changes their mindset?
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Samuel wrote:The problem with dictators is they have a tendancy to get paranoid and toss people in jail, appoint cronies, ignore evidence... essentially Bush but never stepping down.
Hence why I specified rational and honest. I should have added intelligent too.
You can get good ones, and on occasion great ones- it tends to be a crapshoot though. Although there are generally signs...
No argument there, although I think it would be a valid argument that it's easier to change one person's mind than a population's.
Darth Wong wrote:Dictatorships have their own rather drastic problems. Ultimately, a system of government is only as good as the people who surround it and participate in it. The root problem is cultural. If Americans could only learn to see "society" as a positive, cohesive entity rather than "the enemy of the individual" as per Ayn Rand's massively egotistical ideology, a lot of these problems would lessen.
Ah, so you're all for the Borg Collective then. :P

Seriously though, I admit a dictatorship has those drastic problems. Even if you have an awesome dictator who's doing almost everything right, that only lasts as long as they live, they can only be as good as those supporting them, etc.

Ultimately, it's obvious that educating and improving the general population is what creates a lasting foundation for a positive and productive society.
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Singular Intellect wrote: No argument there, although I think it would be a valid argument that it's easier to change one person's mind than a population's.
Assuming that the society you are talking about can tolerate the idea of an autocratic government in the first place. Any kind of reform would require a certain degree of public support.
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Re: Hope! Change! (More Obama bullshit re: TARP watchdog)

Post by chitoryu12 »

ray245 wrote:
Singular Intellect wrote: No argument there, although I think it would be a valid argument that it's easier to change one person's mind than a population's.
Assuming that the society you are talking about can tolerate the idea of an autocratic government in the first place. Any kind of reform would require a certain degree of public support.
Really, the only way to change the public opinion (aside from good ol' drugs in the water supply, of course :wink: ) is through changes in the education system to try and teach the people at a young age of the advantages of the system of government that you're trying to push as the better option. And the problem with THAT is, of course, severe backlash over the changes to education, especially by the aforementioned 1 in 4 who believe in craptastic conspiracy theories and view 1984 as their Holy Bible.

And since nobody would elect a leader or keep one in office who tried to push for those changes.....
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