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Huffington Post has been a conduit for pseudo-science and pseudo-medicine for years. The site is the leading purveyor of the deadly lie that vaccines cause autism. They have run column after column from Scientology cultists, quack doctors and other deranged morons spewing bogus science and medicine.

Finally someone (Salon, to be exact) is calling them out for their bullshit. It's much too long to quote the whole thing here, but it starts off beautifully and the rest is available at the link:
This spring, during the swine flu outbreak, I was searching the Web for news when a blog post on the Huffington Post caught my eye. Titled "Swine Flu: Protect Yourself and Your Loved Ones," its author, Kim Evans, offered a unique prescription for swine flu, one she believed could "save your life": deep-cleansing enemas.

"Most estimates are that the average person has ten or more pounds of stored waste just in their colon," Evans wrote. "In any case, many people have found that disease disappears when this waste is gone, and that when the body is clean it's much more difficult for new problems, like viruses, to take hold in the first place. And it's my understanding that many people who took regular enemas instead of vaccines during the 1918 pandemic made it out on the other side as well."

This is not exactly first-line advice on influenza prevention. There's no proof that a cleansing program will prevent influenza. In fact, Evans' notion contradicts basic germ theory. Influenza infection is transmitted through respiratory channels and not, like gastrointestinal infections, through contact with fecal matter. And even if people in 1918 did try to protect themselves with enemas -- Evans doesn't cite any historical record -- there's no evidence the practice saved anybody's life. Note to Evans: People did not have a choice between enemas and vaccines in 1918. The first influenza vaccine was developed in the 1940s.

The Huffington Post is one of the most valuable pieces of real estate on the Internet these days. It operates mostly as a news aggregation site (it has featured Salon stories) and throws open its doors to a wide range of bloggers, who cover everything from politics to entertainment. "When it comes to health and wellness issues, our goal is to provide a diverse forum for a reasoned discussion of issues of interest and importance to our readers," Arianna Huffington, the site's namesake founder, author, socialite and pundit, told me.

I would like to believe her. But when it comes to health and wellness, that diverse forum seems defined mostly by bloggers who are friends of Huffington or those who mirror her own advocacy of alternative medicine, described in her books and in many magazine profiles of her. Among others, the site has given a forum to Oprah Winfrey's women's health guru, Christiane Northrup, who believes women develop thyroid disease due to an inability to assert themselves; Deepak Chopra, who mashes up medicine and religion into self-help books and PBS infomercials; and countless others pitching cures that range from herbs to blood electrification to ozonated water to energy scans.

As a physician, I am not necessarily opposed to alternative health treatments. But I do want to be responsible and certain that what I prescribe to patients is safe and effective and not a waste of their time and money. A recent Associated Press investigation stated the federal government has spent $2.5 billion of our tax dollars to determine whether alternative health remedies -- including ones promoted on the Huffington Post -- work. It found next to none of them do. The site also regularly grants space to proponents of the thoroughly disproven conspiracy that childhood vaccines have caused autism. In short, the Huffington Post is hardly a site that promotes "a reasoned discussion," in its founder's words, of health and medicine.
The website's excuse is that they're giving "both sides". In other words, they are no different from the birthers, the shit boaters, flat earthers and the 9-11 truth crowd.
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Elfdart wrote:The website's excuse is that they're giving "both sides".
And therein lies the problem. People do not seem to intuitively know when false equivalency is being implied. It's that good old heuristic thinking that leads people to believe two differing views must necessarily pivot around the same position, with the same criteria. Grrr.
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No shit.

It's a den of anti-vacciners and other tripe. It's like looking to Bill Maher for anything on Germ Theory(Yes, he is an antivacciner and a doubter of Germ Theory.).
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He doubts the germ theory of disease?

Has he perchance described the mechanism he thinks causes disease?
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Simon_Jester wrote:He doubts the germ theory of disease?

Has he perchance described the mechanism he thinks causes disease?
He puts it down to diet, mainly.
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It's one of those oversimplifications the mind makes because of its lazy architecture that causes his brand of stupidity. It's true that proper diet is a factor that helps against disease, and that many diseases are exacerbated or caused by an improper diet. But that doesn't translate to all diseases unless you're a crazy vaccine denier like Maher.

It's a fallacy of some kind whose name I can't remember.
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I don't want to drag this thread off topic but can someone provide a link to Bill Maher saying he doesn't believe germ theory? Google has only brought me links to people talking about how he denies germ theory, without any sources. Not that I doubt it, I would just like to hear it from the horses mouth.
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Superboy wrote:I don't want to drag this thread off topic but can someone provide a link to Bill Maher saying he doesn't believe germ theory? Google has only brought me links to people talking about how he denies germ theory, without any sources. Not that I doubt it, I would just like to hear it from the horses mouth.
A few seconds googling gives a source:
On his HBO show in 2005, Mr. Maher said: “I don’t believe in vaccination. . . . Another theory that I think is flawed, that we go by the Louis Pasteur [germ] theory.“ He has told CNN’s Larry King that he won’t take aspirin because he believes it is lethal and that he doesn’t even believe the Salk vaccine eradicated polio.
Other things he believes- Pasteur recanted on his deathbed, that HIV/AIDS connection is 'not proven', that pharmaceutical companies' drugs invariably poison and hurt people, that western medicine is ineffective. Here's a link nexus Here. It's quite well known that Maher is a cook.
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Duckie wrote:It's a fallacy of some kind whose name I can't remember.
Sounds like Hasty Generalisation, at least from the "some disease is caused by diet; thus all is" part.
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Sir Nitram wrote:It's like looking to Bill Maher for anything on Germ Theory(Yes, he is an antivacciner and a doubter of Germ Theory.).
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Well, in Maher's defense, when he interviewed Michael Moore about his SiCKO film,
he didn't talk about Germ Theory, or vaccinations. Instead, he says "about 90% of why people are sick [sic] is because they eat shit." Which is not that far off the mark. While Influenza kills 40,000 Americans per year, coronary heart disease kills over 400,000.

Furthermore, he has also said "France has a better health care system than we do, and we should steal it...their health care system is the best in the entire world." link But alternative medicine isn't any more popular in France than in other parts of the industrialized world.

Also watch his "anti-pharma rant" He just emphasizes that proper nutrition and exercise are largely ignored in favor of prescription drugs for the treatment of preventable illnesses.

So, I can only conclude that he has come to his senses as of late.
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Not really. 'Eating shit is the source of disease', which is basically what you said he spoke of alot, is key to anti-germ theorists. Chalk it up to diet and pills, and you might as well go whole hog and purchase a supply of homeopathic antimatter for your health needs.
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Also, he apparently believes that mucus is your body getting rid of toxins.

No, Maher doesn't believe that proper diet makes you more healthy because your body is receiving the nutrition to bolster its immune system from disease, he thinks people are getting sick from literal toxins. Thus why his anti-pharmacy rant is so weird.

Maher's off in nutso territory and I'm always amused when people talk about how great he is.
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Erik von Nein wrote:Also, he apparently believes that mucus is your body getting rid of toxins.
Err, he's basically right? One of respiratory mucus's primary functions is to catch foreign objects, be it dust, allergens, infectious agents, etc., and remove it from the respiratory tract.
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Terralthra wrote:
Erik von Nein wrote:Also, he apparently believes that mucus is your body getting rid of toxins.
Err, he's basically right? One of respiratory mucus's primary functions is to catch foreign objects, be it dust, allergens, infectious agents, etc., and remove it from the respiratory tract.
Preventing toxins to entering your body and getting rid of them once their inside are two different things, no?
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None of this should come as a surprise. I remember his old show "Politically Incorrect" when his massive scientific illiteracy drove a particular university professor so crazy that he just got fed up, literally threw up his hands in frustration, and just started responding to everything with "You obviously have no education".

It's sad that Maher is the only one willing to shout "bullshit" at certain things like the American worship of rabid populism, because he's not exactly a great spokesman. It's ironic that he says ordinary Americans need to respect their intellectual elites, but he himself is not willing to do that on issues of medical science.
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Darth Wong wrote:None of this should come as a surprise. I remember his old show "Politically Incorrect" when his massive scientific illiteracy drove a particular university professor so crazy that he just got fed up, literally threw up his hands in frustration, and just started responding to everything with "You obviously have no education".
What were they discussing?
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[R_H] wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:None of this should come as a surprise. I remember his old show "Politically Incorrect" when his massive scientific illiteracy drove a particular university professor so crazy that he just got fed up, literally threw up his hands in frustration, and just started responding to everything with "You obviously have no education".
What were they discussing?
I believe it was religion vs science.
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Darth Wong wrote:It's ironic that he says ordinary Americans need to respect their intellectual elites, but he himself is not willing to do that on issues of medical science.
Yeah, but it's easy for someone to say that. The problem is that to most people, "their intellectual elites" means "the set of all people including me and those who agree with me." Even the fundies who praise ignorance believe this. They don't tell themselves "I am better than the scientist because I'm a moron", but "I am better than the scientist because the scientist believes <evolution/big bang/germ theory/astronomy/gravity> and I know better."
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Terralthra wrote:Err, he's basically right? One of respiratory mucus's primary functions is to catch foreign objects, be it dust, allergens, infectious agents, etc., and remove it from the respiratory tract.
And lubrication and various other functions. His belief was that the mucus itself are the toxins the body is removing.
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Civil War Man wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:It's ironic that he says ordinary Americans need to respect their intellectual elites, but he himself is not willing to do that on issues of medical science.
Yeah, but it's easy for someone to say that. The problem is that to most people, "their intellectual elites" means "the set of all people including me and those who agree with me." Even the fundies who praise ignorance believe this. They don't tell themselves "I am better than the scientist because I'm a moron", but "I am better than the scientist because the scientist believes <evolution/big bang/germ theory/astronomy/gravity> and I know better."
It's worse than that. These people tend to actually attack the entire system of education in the field they dispute, as they believe it is some sort of giant brainwashing operation. In other words, they don't just think they know better: they think the experts are either complicit in a vast conspiracy or hopelessly brainwashed minions of that same conspiracy.
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I once had someone arguing that everyone who "believes" in physics has an brain malfunction, because he is "obviously" seeing things. Its not just a conspiracy, but people believing in science are sick!!

It was one of the most retarded statements i ever heard.
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