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Say It Ain't So, Keith O!

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I read with great sadness about NBC's decision to have Keith Olbermann back off of his criticism of Bill O'Reilly. I'm trying to convince myself the New York Times' piece was satire but I did that with Judy Miller's Iraq reporting and that taught me I don't understand satire. Who is there left to keep FOX and O'Reilly accountable? Like a gifted musician pulling melodies out of the air for new songs, O'Reilly has long had a brilliant and unmatched facility for making up the nonsense he wants to be true. He assigns evil motives and anti-American sentiments to people with whom he disagrees and then he waits for the tally light to illuminate on his camera and steps boldly into his pathological world of political incongruity.

The problem is that the people who watch Bill O generally aren't smart enough to know that he confabulates and those who can tell the difference are loathe to listen to the boy. Into this breach have stepped Mr. Olbermann and MSNBC. They watch, they record, and Olbermann reports so that the rest of us don't have to factor the Factor into our lives. If it were just Olbermann doing a straight-forward nightly rundown of erroneous information from O'Reilly, few of us would watch the Countdown cut downs of O'Reilly . However, Olbermann and his producers and writers have a healthy amount of wit and wield sarcasm like a mighty swift sword and there is little more enjoyable of an evening than to watch as they eviscerate the great bloviator on FOX.

The NYT indicates that management of NBC and FOX decided there was a need for some civility between the two networks. I'm compelled to ask: why now? O'Reilly has treated Olbermann as "he who's name must not be spoken" while Olbermann has used "Bill O the Clown" to leaven the grimness of the day's news. If O'Reilly can't serve a purpose of informing people with accurate information then at least his broadcast ought to entertain, if even only as a subject of ridicule on another network. It is also entertaining that the network brass are calling for a higher standard of behavior while they both seek to produce more and more titillating reality shows to suck in viewers and ignore any cultural standards of decorum. How can Battle of the Bods be acceptable programming and Olbermann kicking around O'Reilly is somehow offensive and harmful?

I'm slightly reassured that Olbermann has said he is not "party to any deal" but there has been a noticeable slippage in the O'Reilly bashing on Countdown. This can't be good for America, MSNBC, Olbermann, or the future of our national political discourse. If people are allowed to listen to O'Reilly and think he knows what he's talking about then the terrorists have won. Or something like that. Who calls this guy out if it's not Olbermann? Hell, I think there is an entire show MSNBC can do every night that is about nothing more than offering corrections and clarifications on O'Reilly's sputum. Come on, Keith, get back to your guns. Just as in war, the first casualty on FOX is the truth and the first line of defense against damage caused by distortion and lying has to be someone who knows the difference between reality and the pathological fantasy that is mustering Bill O's army. That's you, Olbermann. It's your job. You are imminently qualified to fire at will.

And don't be afraid to make Glenn Beck collateral damage.
I knew it was too good to last. Keith Olbermann has been busting Falafel O'Reilly's balls for a few years, humiliating him at every turn by exposing him as a lying, mentally deranged, racist douchecock. O'Reilly's response has been to send his semen-crusted little stalker creeps to hassle executives at MSNBC's parent company, General Electric. He has also accused GE of being responsible for dead American troops in Iraq. As fucktarded as that sounds, apparently it has worked:

NYT
August 1, 2009
Voices From Above Silence a Cable TV Feud
By BRIAN STELTER

It was a media cage fight, televised every weeknight at 8 p.m. But the match was halted when the blood started to spray executives in the high-priced seats.

For years Keith Olbermann of MSNBC had savaged his prime-time nemesis Bill O’Reilly of the Fox News Channel and accused Fox of journalistic malpractice almost nightly. Mr. O’Reilly in turn criticized Mr. Olbermann’s bosses and led an exceptional campaign against General Electric, the parent company of MSNBC.

It was perhaps the fiercest media feud of the decade and by this year, their bosses had had enough. But it took a fellow television personality with a neutral perspective to help bring it to at least a temporary end.

At an off-the-record summit meeting for chief executives sponsored by Microsoft in mid-May, the PBS interviewer Charlie Rose asked Jeffrey Immelt, chairman of G.E., and his counterpart at the News Corporation, Rupert Murdoch, about the feud.

Both moguls expressed regret over the venomous culture between the networks and the increasingly personal nature of the barbs. Days later, even though the feud had increased the audience of both programs, their lieutenants arranged a cease-fire, according to four people who work at the companies and have direct knowledge of the deal.

In early June, the combat stopped, and MSNBC and Fox, for the most part, found other targets for their verbal missiles (Hello, CNN).

“It was time to grow up,” a senior employee of one of the companies said.

The reconciliation — not acknowledged by the parties until now — showcased how a personal and commercial battle between two men could create real consequences for their parent corporations. A G.E. shareholders’ meeting, for instance, was overrun by critics of MSNBC (and one of Mr. O’Reilly’s producers) last April.

“We all recognize that a certain level of civility needed to be introduced into the public discussion,” Gary Sheffer, a spokesman for G.E., said this week. “We’re happy that has happened.”

The parent companies declined to comment directly on the details of the cease-fire, which was orchestrated in part by Jeff Zucker, the chief executive of NBC Universal, and Gary Ginsberg, an executive vice president who oversees corporate affairs at the News Corporation.

Mr. Olbermann, who is on vacation, said by e-mail message, “I am party to no deal,” adding that he would not have been included in any conversations between G.E. and the News Corporation. Fox News said it would not comment.

Civility was not always the aim of Mr. Olbermann and Mr. O’Reilly, men who, in an industry of thin skins, are both famous for reacting to verbal pinpricks. Both host 8 p.m. programs on cable news in studios a few blocks apart in Midtown Manhattan.

The conservative-leaning Mr. O’Reilly has turned “The O’Reilly Factor” into a profit center for the News Corporation by blitzing his opponents and espousing his opinions unapologetically. He found his bête noire in the liberal-leaning Mr. Olbermann, the host of MSNBC’s “Countdown,” who saw in Mr. O’Reilly a regenerating target he nicknamed the “Bill-o the Clown.”

The 6-foot-4 Mr. Olbermann started sniping regularly at the also 6-foot-4 Mr. O’Reilly in late 2005, sometimes making him the subject of the “Countdown” segment, the “Worst Person in the World.” Mr. O’Reilly was also a stand-in for the perceived offenses of the top-rated Fox News.

By punching up at his higher-rated prey, Mr. Olbermann helped his own third-place cable news show. “Honestly, I should send him a check each week,” he remarked to a reporter three years ago. Fox noticed. Mr. Murdoch remarked to Esquire last year that “Keith Olbermann is trying to make a business out of destroying Bill O’Reilly.” Mr. O’Reilly refused to mention his critic by name on the “Factor,” deeming him a “vicious smear merchant,” but he regularly blamed Mr. Zucker for “ruining a once-great brand,” NBC.

In late 2007, Mr. O’Reilly had a young producer, Jesse Watters, ambush Mr. Immelt and ask about G.E.’s business in Iran, which is legal, and which includes sales of energy and medical technology. G.E. says it no longer does business in Iran.

Mr. O’Reilly continued to pour pressure on its corporate leaders, even saying on one program last year that “If my child were killed in Iraq, I would blame the likes of Jeffrey Immelt.” The resulting e-mail to G.E. from Mr. O’Reilly’s viewers was scathing.

The messages hit nerves on both sides. Mr. Immelt remarked to MSNBC staff members last summer that he would “never forgive Rupert Murdoch” for Fox’s behavior, according to two people who were present. In private phone calls, the Fox News chairman, Roger Ailes, told NBC officials to end the attacks.

In February, Mr. Zucker told Newsweek what he had told Mr. Olbermann privately: “I wish it weren’t so personal.” The previous year, Mr. Murdoch said that Mr. O’Reilly “shouldn’t be so sensitive” to the attacks lobbed by MSNBC.

Over time, G.E. and the News Corporation concluded that the fighting “wasn’t good for either parent,” said an NBC employee with direct knowledge of the situation. But the session hosted by Mr. Rose provided an opportunity for a reconciliation, sealed with a handshake between Mr. Immelt and Mr. Murdoch.

But like any title fight, the final round could not end without an attempted knockout. On June 1, the day after the abortion provider George Tiller was killed in Kansas, Mr. Olbermann took to the air to cite Mr. O’Reilly’s numerous references to “Tiller, the baby killer” and to announce that he would retire his caricature of Mr. O’Reilly.

“The goal here is to get this blindly irresponsible man and his ilk off the air,” he said.

The next day, Mr. O’Reilly made the extraordinary claim that “federal authorities have developed information about General Electric doing business with Iran, deadly business” and published Mr. Immelt’s e-mail address and mailing address, repeating it slowly for emphasis.

Then the attacks mostly stopped.

Shortly after, Phil Griffin, the MSNBC president, told producers that he wanted the channel’s other programs to follow Mr. Olbermann’s lead and restrain from criticizing Fox directly, according to two employees. At Fox News, some staff members were told to “be fair” to G.E.

The executives at both companies, it appears, were relieved. “For this war to stop, it meant fewer headaches on the corporate side,” one employee said.

Tensions still simmer between the two networks, however, and staff members have been unwilling or unable to stop the strife altogether. This week, for instance, the Fox host Glenn Beck called Mr. Obama a racist, prompting rebukes on a number of MSNBC shows. But for now, the daily back and forth has quieted.

“They’ve won their respective constituencies,” said a former member of MSNBC’s senior staff. “They don’t need to do this anymore, really.”
This is bad news, and not just because Billo won't get the ridicule he so richly deserves. Seven years ago, Phil Donahue had the highest-rated show on MSNBC. Then the bosses got spooked because the network was being attacked for allowing someone who was NOT a war whore to host a show. First, execs at MSNBC started tampering with the show, telling producer Jeff Cohen that if Donahue was going to book an anti-war guest he had to book two war whores for "balance". Since Donahue's ratings were in large part the result of his show being the only one that wasn't beating war drums, this meddling ruined the show and caused ratings to slip (though it was still the highest-rated show on MSNBC) and the show was canceled. This article by Cohen is pretty telling:
The day after Donahue was terminated, an internal NBC memo leaked out; it said that Phil Donahue represents "a difficult public face for NBC in a time of war." Why? Because he insisted on presenting administration critics. The memo worried that Donahue would become a "home for the liberal antiwar agenda at the same time that our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity."

NBC's solution then? Dump Phil, stifle dissent, brandish the flag.

NBC's solution now? So far, Olbermann appears to be on more solid footing - mostly because the political zeitgeist is much changed from four years ago.

But MSNBC is still owned by GE's conservative bosses, and managed by NBC's ever-timid executives. Olbermann knows this reality as well as anyone; six months ago on C-SPAN, while expressing confidence that good ratings would keep them at bay, he remarked: "There are people I know in the hierarchy of NBC, the company, and GE, the company, who do not like to see the current presidential administration criticized at all."
Some yellow-bellied dickheads never learn. :roll:
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More's the pity. I stopped listening to Olbermann after a while (I think he over-used the "Special Comments" during the 2008 election, among other things), but seeing him mock O'Reilly was one of the better parts of the show. I remember the picture he'd always show of him, with the over-sized head and the stupid smile.
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Looks like the NYT story was horseshit:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#32277025

Never mind.
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Elfdart wrote:Looks like the NYT story was horseshit:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#32277025

Never mind.
Not only that, but Olbermann not only gets in his shots at the NYT scribe who misreported the story, then his daily slam on O'Really for his latest idiocy, but neatly twists the entire story around to piss all over Rupert Murdoch who actually is doing to O'Really what the Times accused MSNBC of doing to him. "Solidarity, Brother". Comedy gold.
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Patrick Degan wrote:
Elfdart wrote:Looks like the NYT story was horseshit:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#32277025

Never mind.
Not only that, but Olbermann not only gets in his shots at the NYT scribe who misreported the story, then his daily slam on O'Really for his latest idiocy, but neatly twists the entire story around to piss all over Rupert Murdoch who actually is doing to O'Really what the Times accused MSNBC of doing to him. "Solidarity, Brother". Comedy gold.
And then finishes it up by calling out the biggest health-care industry whores in Congress--both parties--in a 15 minutes special comment. He was in rare form tonight.
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Mr. Greenwald posted an update on this matter: he stands by what he said. Mr. Olbermann was indeed muzzled, he insists, before then producing a new Olbermann statement that reaffirms Greenwald's stance (emphasis added by Greenwald).
I honor Mr. Greenwald's insight into the coverage of GE/NewsCorp talks, and have found nothing materially factually inaccurate about it. Fox and NewsCorp have continued a strategy of threat and blackmail by Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and Bill O'Reilly since at least 2004. But no matter what might have been reported by others besides Mr. Greenwald, and no matter what might have been thought around this industry, there's no "deal." I would never consent, and, fortunately, MSNBC and NBC News would never ask me to.
Furthermore, Greenwald continues, Olbermann was allowed to speak about O'Reilly last night because the big suits wanted to help quell the suspicion that Olbermann was being muzzled.
Once the NYT exposed this deal between GE and News Corp., MSNBC executives allowed Olbermann to attack O'Reilly last night because neither Olbermann nor MSNBC could afford to have it appear that their top journalist was being muzzled by GE. For obvious reasons, such an impression would be humiliating and would harm MSNBC's "journalism" brand. But over the last two months, muzzled by GE is exactly what Olbermann was -- precisely as I (and Brian Stelter) wrote.

I appreciate that Olbermann is now confirming that nothing I wrote about this matter was inaccurate. This GE/News Corp. quid pro quo is an extremely significant incident, entailing one of the most transparent acts of extreme corporate censorship and suppression of journalistic freedom in one of our country's major news organizations (as well as at Fox News). Making it far worse is that GE was motivated by nothing more than a desire to suppress all reporting (whether by Fox News, The Wall St. Journal or other Murdoch-owned outlets) that reflects poorly on them and their corporate activities. That dangerous conduct by GE -- along with Fox's typically thuggish behavior -- is what the real story here is.
Finally, Greenwald also uses his latest article on the matter to summarize and emphasize his basis for the conclusions he reached, and reminds readers that neither he, nor GE, nor NYT's Stelter, ever claimed that Olbermann was a willing party to any request for him to shut up, but that he was ordered to. In regard to that latter point,
I certainly believe that Olbermann is telling the truth when he says he was never a party to any deal and that nobody at GE or MSNBC asked him to consent. That's because GE executives didn't care in the least if Olbermann consented and didn't need his consent. They weren't requesting that Olbermann agree to anything, and nobody -- including the NYT's Stelter -- ever claimed that Olbermann had agreed to any deal. What actually happened is exactly what I wrote: GE executives issued an order that Olbermann must refrain from criticizing O'Reilly, and Olbermann complied with that edict. That is why he stopped mentioning O'Reilly as of June 1.
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More from Firedoglake:
Last night Keith Olbermann took to the airwaves to defend himself against charges made by the New York Times, and amplified by Glenn Greenwald, that there had been a "deal" struck between General Electric and Newscorp to end the feud between Olbermann and O'Reilly.

Olbermann singles out NYT reporter Brian Stelter as his "third worst person in the world":

The bronze to Brian Seltzer of the New York Times front page story -- front page story Saturday -- about a "deal" in which, as the headline read, voices from above silence a cable TV feud problem -- Mr. Stelter asked me at least twice last week if there was such a deal, and I told him on and off the record there was not, and I told him that I would obviously have to be a party to such a deal, and I told him that not only wasn't I, but I had not even been asked to be by my bosses. And he printed it anyway.

And I'd even written to him that this was merely a misinterpretation of an annoucement I made here on June 1, that because Bill OReilly of Fox News had abetted the assasination of Dr. George Tiller, he’d become too serious to joke about, and I would thus stop doing so – an announcement that would obtain unless and until, of course, I felt like changing the rule again later since this is not the Constitution here, it’s a half-baked television newscast, and I make all the rules.
Contrary to what Olbermann said, he would not have to be party to any deal, nor did Stelter say that he was. Stelter printed Olbermann's denial:

Mr. Olbermann, who is on vacation, said by e-mail message, “I am party to no deal,” adding that he would not have been included in any conversations between G.E. and the News Corporation.
Stelter said that the deal was between GE and Newscorp, arranged by lieutenants of Jeff Immelt and Rupert Murdoch. A GE spokesman even went on the record:

'We all recognize that a certain level of civility needed to be introduced into the public discussion,' Gary Sheffer, a spokesman for G.E., said this week. 'We're happy that has happened.'"
But Olbermann reasserts his story that the reason he stopped covering O'Reilly is because of the Tiller matter, having nothing to do with anything that happened at either G.E. or Newscorp. Which completely contradicts what Glenn Greenwald wrote about the story:

So now GE is using its control of NBC and MSNBC to ensure that there is no more reporting by Fox of its business activities in Iran or other embarrassing corporate activities, while News Corp. is ensuring that the lies spewed regularly by its top-rated commodity on Fox News are no longer reported by MSNBC. You don't have to agree with the reader's view of the value of this reporting to be highly disturbed that it is being censored.
In addition to information contained in the the New York Times article, Glenn also relied on an anonymous "MSNBC source with management responsibilities" to assert that GE had repeatedly interfered with the journalistic decisions of NBC and MSNBC. As soon as Olbermann's segment went up, I started seeing Tweets and blog posts demanding that Glenn retract his claims, because Olbermann had said they were baseless. As Olbermann himself said in a Daily Kos post:

There is no "deal" between MSNBC and Fox over what we can and cannot cover. This is part of a continuing strategy of blackmail by Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes, that reaches back to 2004, and has as its goal the cancellation of "Countdown."
So Glenn asked Olbermann to clarify the situation. Olbermann has released a statement to Glenn:

I honor Mr. Greenwald's insight into the coverage of GE/NewsCorp talks, and have found nothing materially factually inaccurate about it. Fox and NewsCorp have continued a strategy of threat and blackmail by Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and Bill O'Reilly since at least 2004. But no matter what might have been reported by others besides Mr. Greenwald, and no matter what might have been thought around this industry, there no 'deal.' I would never consent, and, fortunately, MSNBC and NBC News would never ask me to.
This is not possible. Olbermann has now made two contradictory statements about his role in the affair:
  1. He confirms what Glenn Greenwald wrote, which is that he stopped covering O'Reilly because he was told to by his bosses at GEO
  2. He says that his decision to stop covering O'Reilly was purely a response to O'Reilly's role in the Tiller incident, and that any assertion to the contrary is a blackmail attempt by Roger Ailes
It is clear that there was a deal between GE and News Corp, because both are confirming it. So Olbermann is, at best, guilty of obfuscation by claiming that he was not "party" to any deal. As Glenn said:

That's because GE executives didn't care in the least if he consented and didn't need his consent. They weren't requesting that Olbermann agree to anything, and nobody -- including the NYT's Stelter -- ever claimed that Olbermann had agreed to any deal. What actually happened is exactly what I wrote: GE executives issued an order that Olbermann must refrain from criticizing O'Reilly, and Olbermann complied with that edict. That is why he stopped mentioning O'Reilly as of June 1.
Either Glenn's reporting is right, as Olbermann confirms, and he was silenced by GE. Or Glenn's reporting is wrong, as Olbermann said last night, and the GE-News Corp deal had nothing to do with his actions.

There will be a cloud over Olbermann's credibility until he clarifies what really happened.
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Even if Olberman was out of commission, Jon Stewart would still slam O'Reilly every once in a while. There's just not that... soul-bond between the two, is all.
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This is getting silly. I don't doubt that GE/NBC offered to submit to Murdoch's blackmail, but I also have no reason to doubt Keith Olbermann when he says he never agreed to any such thing.

It's like when Viacom and K-Rock's management agreed several years ago and told the FCC and local affiliates that Howard Stern would "clean up" his radio show. Stern never agreed to do it -and it's his show.
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