To the newly blooded

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-02-10 12:02pm

first flamewar i waw life. interesting to watch.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-10 12:19pm

This is what i get for going on a 2 day bender. I come back and the place is fire damaged. I'm gonna start living on american time so i can see these things as they happen and not just a load of green bells beside posts already dying down.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-02-10 12:25pm

It was short, but extemely personal.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-10 12:30pm

All i can say about the aftermath is that i'm very dissapointed in a lot of members who i held in high respect untill then.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-10 12:32pm

I agree that it should not have been as personal as it was in some parts.

There are a few things that have made me VERY upset, so much that I had trouble sleeping on Saturday night and had an awful dream about it (PM me if you want to know. Generally, it concerns Kelly).

Basically, several isolated incidents occuring at the same time, and tempers flaired enough that some lashed out at others, and everything combined into a massive war.

But now it's cooled off, so we need to drop it and go on with our lives.

And to those (especially n00bs) that are thinking/suggesting that this will spell the end of SD.Net: shut the fuck up. This was just a really hot flame war that was only regulated to Off Topic. Nothing will happen if we just forget about it and move on with our lives.

Every time something like this happened at The Gundam Project, the morons would go nuts, predicting doom for the board, and lamenting for "The Good Old Days".

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2003-02-10 12:35pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Every time something like this happened at The Gundam Project, the morons would go nuts, predicting doom for the board, and lamenting for "The Good Old Days".

Heh. I remember when Krakenhaus suggested shutting the board down because of all the flamewars, then someone flamed him for it.

Then a week later, Mark chose to close the whole thing down.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-10 12:38pm

Well, Mark shut down the board for bandwidth reasons primarily.

You were on GP? Who were you, and were you on GundamWatch, too?

I was Spanky The Dolphin on both, of course.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-10 12:38pm

Zaku-chan wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Every time something like this happened at The Gundam Project, the morons would go nuts, predicting doom for the board, and lamenting for "The Good Old Days".
Heh. I remember when Krakenhaus suggested shutting the board down because of all the flamewars, then someone flamed him for it.

Then a week later, Mark chose to close the whole thing down.

I'm not closing anything down. Instead, I choose to ask people to be a little more considerate of each other here. It's one thing to flame each other over something as silly as whether Gandalf could kick Yoda's ass or even to disagree about hot-button issues like abortion, but when we start forming personal resentments and running around trying to undermine each other, that's unacceptable behaviour.

The only conceivable benefit of this weekend's activity might be to serve as a case study for some sociologist studying Internet webboard psychology.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-10 12:43pm

Darth Wong wrote: The only conceivable benefit of this weekend's activity might be to serve as a case study for some sociologist studying Internet webboard psychology.

Or possibly psychosis....

All in all though....its all in the past now and there it shall remain.

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2003-02-10 12:44pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Zaku-chan wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Every time something like this happened at The Gundam Project, the morons would go nuts, predicting doom for the board, and lamenting for "The Good Old Days".
Heh. I remember when Krakenhaus suggested shutting the board down because of all the flamewars, then someone flamed him for it.

Then a week later, Mark chose to close the whole thing down.
I'm not closing anything down. Instead, I choose to ask people to be a little more considerate of each other here. It's one thing to flame each other over something as silly as whether Gandalf could kick Yoda's ass or even to disagree about hot-button issues like abortion, but when we start forming personal resentments and running around trying to undermine each other, that's unacceptable behaviour.

The only conceivable benefit of this weekend's activity might be to serve as a case study for some sociologist studying Internet webboard psychology.

Just to keep it clear, Mark Simmons (the admin of GP) didn't close it down because of the flamewars, but because he no longer had any time for it. It waas just an interesting coincidence that that particular flamewar took place so soon before the end of the board.

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2003-02-10 12:45pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Well, Mark shut down the board for bandwidth reasons primarily.

You were on GP? Who were you, and were you on GundamWatch, too?

I was Spanky The Dolphin on both, of course.

Not on GW. On GP, I was registered as Gyan-san. I only made a post or two, so good luck remembering me.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2003-02-10 01:21pm

This was nothing, I've been involved in a flamewars on a board I ran that carried over into real life and resulted in violent beatings. I've had one on another board that resulted in people stalking me and talking shit about me, and eventually ended with the worthless shitbags being loaded into an ambulance. I've recieved more death threats than I can count and been slandered in more ways than you can imagine, but you know what, I don't really give a fuck anymore. I have a life away from the computer, and until people start intruding themselves on that life, why should I care? As I've said elsewhere, when people get behind the anonymity of their keyboards, their balls and ego grow bigger and their brains shrink. I recognize this syndrome which is why I don't give a flying fuck about 99% of internet flamefests.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-02-10 02:27pm

Flamewar? This was a spitting match. I've seen flamewars that brought down entire internet alliances and crumbled mutliple factions. Only to lead to excrusions over a period of a year.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-02-10 02:28pm

Darth Wong wrote:The only conceivable benefit of this weekend's activity might be to serve as a case study for some sociologist studying Internet webboard psychology.

There wasn't a flamewar at the time, but something similar to this happened on ASVS while back

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-02-10 02:43pm

DG_Cal_Wright wrote:Flamewar? This was a spitting match. I've seen flamewars that brought down entire internet alliances and crumbled mutliple factions. Only to lead to excrusions over a period of a year.

I concur.

Check out astronomy newsgroups for a good example.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-02-10 03:01pm

I don't consider it a flamewar unless there are lawsuits involved. THOSE are flamewars.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-10 03:01pm

Need I mention the Joel versus Mike wars for MST3K fans?

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2003-02-10 03:04pm

If you want to see flamewars at their finest, check out alt.flame.

If it's still up, that is. I haven been there in more than a year.

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2003-02-10 03:06pm

I refused to watch the horror unfold. I took one look at the posts Ted were throwing up in the Zaia thread, and guessed that the thread would be headed into the sewer in a matter of minutes. I elected not to bother with the thread.

As far as flamewars go, what I saw didn't seem that virulent. On another board, somebody called another guy a wifebeater and a bunch of other nasty things. That was far uglier.

By far the most vicious and virulent debate turned flamewar was the epic battle/debate between fans of Michigan State football over the tenure of ex-head coach Bobby Williams. Most fans were quick to break down into Keep Bobby camps and Fire Bobby camps. Let's just say racism became an issue in the debate, and all hell broke loose shortly after. Things managed to get uglier than the Clinton impeachment scandal.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-02-10 03:15pm

This? This was nothing. I've seen flamewars over the Hart Screwjobthat were bigger than this, easily.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-10 04:32pm

DG_Cal_Wright wrote:Flamewar? This was a spitting match. I've seen flamewars that brought down entire internet alliances and crumbled mutliple factions. Only to lead to excrusions over a period of a year.

We're not trying to compete with those people.

I like to think of this as a place where people can violently disagree about things without building up personal hate-feuds with each other (with a few well-deserved exceptions like Arminius, Patkelly, etc). What I saw crossed that line. Now let's please stop talking about it.

David · Post by **David** » 2003-02-10 05:02pm

As I've said elsewhere, when people get behind the anonymity of their keyboards, their balls and ego grow bigger and their brains shrink.

I agree completely.

As DW said lets put this behind us now. You want to discuss this more do so via PM.