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This new release was mentioned on one of the blogs I read and I thought it was interesting. There was a discussion here a few years ago about this particular topic, but I didn't find anything more recent, so this may be worth discussion.

From here
Cranbury, NJ (August 12, 2009)—BlackLight Power, Inc. (BLP) today announces that scientists at Rowan University have for the first time independently formulated and tested fuels that on demand generated energy greater than that of combustion at power levels of kilowatts using BLP’s proprietary solid-fuel chemistry capable of continuous regeneration. Operating power systems using BLP’s chemistry, Rowan University professors have reported a net energy gain of up to 6.5 times the maximum energy potential of the materials in the system from known chemical reactions.

In a joint statement, Dr. K.V. Ramanujachary, Rowan University Meritorious Professor of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Dr. Amos Mugweru, Assistant Professor of Chemistry, and Dr. Peter Jansson P.E., Associate Professor of Engineering said, “In independent tests conducted over the past three months involving 10 solid fuels made by us from commercially-available chemicals, our team of engineering and chemistry professors, staff, and students at Rowan University has independently and consistently generated energy in excesses ranging from 1.2 times to 6.5 times the maximum theoretical heat available through known chemical reactions.”

“Additionally, we have analyzed the reaction products and are confident that the procedures we have followed and chemicals we have procured and reacted are not capable of generating the quantities of heat we have observed with previously known chemistry. This significant disclosure by BLP makes it readily possible for other laboratories to demonstrate the repeatability of these reactions that produce anomalous heat regularly in our university laboratory. Moreover, we have also reproduced BLP’s tests that identify a novel form of hydrogen as the likely explanation of the additional heat evolved.”

Based on the solid fuel used and power generated at scales of approximately 30 kW, the reaction appears scalable to any level. Moreover, BLP scientists were able to regenerate the fuel by simply applying heat. This breakthrough advances the commercial viability of the BlackLight Process as a new non-polluting energy source that was first announced by BLP in October 2008.

Proof of Power

The validation by the Rowan University team provides further evidence that the observed energy gain will enable the operation of commercial power plants by continuously replacing the hydrogen that is consumed by the BlackLight Process to form hydrinos. Hydrinos are a prior undiscovered form of hydrogen in lower-energy states produced by the BlackLight Process as latent energy is released by hydrogen atoms. The energy released forming a hydrino is over 200 times the energy required to extract hydrogen from water by electrolysis to produce the new hydrogen fuel consumed during the BlackLight Process.

“The advanced version of the solid fuel is very efficient at liberating energy from forming hydrinos and requires essentially no energy to reverse the chemical product back into the initial fuel. Regeneration was achieved simply with heat. This is enabling of continuous generation of power using simplistic and efficient systems that use heat liberated by forming “hydrinos” to concurrently maintain regeneration. The system is closed except that only hydrogen consumed in forming hydrinos needs to be replaced,” said Dr. Randell Mills, Chairman, CEO and President of BlackLight Power, Inc.

“The observed energy gain and successful thermal regeneration of the solid fuel show the feasibility of using the solid fuel in a recycled manner as a replacement for fossil and nuclear fuels in power plants. These developments are anticipated to result in a significant decrease in the time to commercialization”, noted Dr. Mills.

John Miller, recently appointed to the Board of Directors of BLP and former president of Standard Oil, described the recent advances saying, “The successful development of new-generation chemistry and its simple thermal regeneration is a major historical step toward near-term, commercial hydrino power. Our recent execution of eight billion watts of commercial licensing agreements demonstrates that the power market is beginning to agree.”

Proof of Existence of Hydrinos

BLP also announces successful independent production and characterization of a new form of hydrogen by professors at Rowan University. In the study independently performed at Rowan University laboratories, Professor Ramanujachary and Professor Mugweru synthesized from base materials the previously undiscovered form of hydrogen and were able to characterize hydrogen atoms existing in lower-energy states – called hydrinos – as predicted by BLP. In further confirmation, the Rowan University team was also able to identify similar hydrino signatures from net energy producing systems operating in Professor Jansson’s laboratories. This represents the first time BLP has taught independent labs the techniques for making hydrinos from scratch.

Dr. Ramanujachary remarked, “Recent advances in techniques at BLP in production of this new form of matter appear to make it straightforward for any lab in the world to synthesize sufficient volumes to characterize this previously unknown form of hydrogen.” Dr. Mugweru continues, “Knowing the starting materials of the synthesis reaction and fully characterizing the by-products, other than a new form of hydrogen, we were unable to make an assignment to known species for the signatures observed.”

Light Signature of Hydrino

BLP also announces today the publication of a paper, by Dr. Randell Mills, Dr. Kamran Akhtar, and Dr. Ying Lu in the Central European Journal of Physics describing a significant new confirmation of hydrinos. For the first time, BLP confirms direct spectral observation of transitions of hydrogen to form hydrinos. These experiments showing hydrogen spectral emissions below 80 nanometers, the previously known ground state, are decisive evidence of the existence of hydrinos theoretically predicted by Dr. Randell Mills. Describing the significance of the breakthrough, Dr. Mills said, “This is smoking-gun evidence of the existence of hydrinos, the light signature observed is from pure hydrogen and at much higher energy than deemed possible for this element in any known form.”

Successful Application of Theory

BLP has published eight journal articles in the past seven months reporting the energetic characteristics of its power-producing process and released in July the newest edition of the Grand Unified Theory of Classical Physics that predicts hydrinos. These are available at: http://www.blacklightpower.com/.

BLP’s wholly-owned subsidiary, Millsian, Inc., a developer of molecular modeling applications of classical physics, announces the release today of Millsian 2.0 Beta software that can visualize the exact three-dimensional structure and calculate physical characteristics of a boundless number of molecules of any length and complexity including complex proteins and DNA. BLP believes that Millsian software represents a major breakthrough that may impact nearly all businesses involved in drug development, material science, and chemistry. More importantly, it proves that classical laws of physics apply at the atomic and molecular scale, the principle that predicted hydrinos.

Professors Peter Jansson, K.V. Ramanujachary, and Amos Mugweru, have released reports outlining the full documentation and results of the off-site replication and independent testing of the new power systems, new-generation chemistry, and hydrino characterization testing that is available at: http://www.blacklightpower.com/.

A technical paper giving the detailed chemistry that BLP believes laboratories can easily follow and replicate is given at http://www.blacklightpower.com
I highlighted a few of the interesting bits that stuck out to me.

To my admittedly untrained eye, this seems one of those too good to be true things, and while normally I'd be very skeptical of a private company pushing such a thing, there does appear to be a good degree of peer-reviewed and now independently-verified research behind it.

So to those of you here well-versed in these matters, is there really something to this? Or are we seeing Pons and Fleischmann: The Sequel?

Clean, scalable, regenerates the fuel with heat...that sounds like magic. If it holds up, this could be very interesting, but I don't want to get my hopes up over a pipe-dream.
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Conservation of Energy Fail.
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lazerus wrote:Conservation of Energy Fail.
Maybe not. From the description, it sounds like regular hydrogen goes in, hydrinos and energy come out. The "waste heat to recycle fuel" bit seems to refer to recycling whatever catalysts make the process go.

Anyway, extraordinary claim, extraordinary evidence needed. Anything more than a press release?
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The whole thing is nothing but a scam. People have been examining the hydrogen spectral lines since before they had any idea why there even are such things, and there is nothing there that indicates any energy eigenstates lower than -13.6eV. If there was a lower state, it would be common--even if there was an enormous potential barrier, the electron could still tunnel there.
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heh, I should have known that would be the case.

How are they getting this past peer review, and now apparently an independent verification? That's the part that's throwing me here.

I haven't had a look at any of the publications (and I don't have the background to decipher them even if I had), but is this a case of biased or low-standards-for-publication journals?
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At first I thought they were implying that there was a lower orbital than the 1s orbital that an electron could go to, which struck me as patently silly. Then I looked up his stuff and found out that not only was he chucking orbitals out the door, but he was giving fractional integer levels for electrons to hang out at. At this point, I closed that browser.

Kuroneko is right. Hydrogen spectrum lines are well known. If such things happened, you'd expect to get a set of lines beyond the Lyman series. More than that, you'd think these transitions would be frequent, because electrons don't tend to hang out for long at anything but their GS. The Hydrino stuff suggests that hydrogen normally hangs out at a somewhat excited state.

EDIT: Balmer is visible, Lyman is UV. My bad.
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ThomasP wrote:heh, I should have known that would be the case.

How are they getting this past peer review, and now apparently an independent verification? That's the part that's throwing me here.

I haven't had a look at any of the publications (and I don't have the background to decipher them even if I had), but is this a case of biased or low-standards-for-publication journals?
You're quoting an article right from the company's website. Which has a vested interest in getting you to believe their snake-oil. The bulk of the independently verifiable facts that I've found seem to indicate that the initial work was carried out to investigate the production of a plasma thruster, and that the peer-reviewed publications adroitly avoids making assertions about the screwball physics part of the work.
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GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:You're quoting an article right from the company's website. Which has a vested interest in getting you to believe their snake-oil.
I realize that, which is why I was asking about the journal articles they claimed to have had published, and the other gentleman who claims to have independently verified the results.

It seems a bit unsavory to lie about that, but if that's the case, so be it.
The bulk of the independently verifiable facts that I've found seem to indicate that the initial work was carried out to investigate the production of a plasma thruster, and that the peer-reviewed publications adroitly avoids making assertions about the screwball physics part of the work.
Interesting. So scam it is.
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For hydrinos to exist, EVERYTHING we know about physics would have to be wrong. If there were a CHANCE of that being the case, a lot more people would be chasing after them. The speculative work has been published, but none of his 'proof' has been certified by peer-review.

The problem is, BlackLight is only letting people use THEIR equipment in checking the results, which has shit instrumentation. They aren't telling anyone how to build new reactors and cells because of 'proprietary concerns'.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote: The problem is, BlackLight is only letting people use THEIR equipment in checking the results, which has shit instrumentation. They aren't telling anyone how to build new reactors and cells because of 'proprietary concerns'.
Which is proof that it is a scam - if their research (and therefore, equipment) was genuine, they would have it patented by now.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was patented. With the way US patent law works, (a) as long as the device functions, an applicant cannot be denied a patent because they failed to provide a theoretical explanation for its operation, except if they actually claim it to be perpetual motion, and (b) the patent office is required by law to accept claims of the existence of a working device unless they can materially prove otherwise. Yes, the latter really is as insane as it sounds.
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I'm pretty sure the Patent Office can reject patents if the reviewing engineer/scientist finds the patent completely scientifically outlandish. That said, they probably did patent the devices themselve, since they don't have to claim what they actually think they do.
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Well, if it is patented, they have no reason to prevent other scientists/engineers from rebuilding it - unless they fear that their scam will be revealed.
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Turns out I was partially misremembering things: that description of patent law was should have been made regarding Canada, not US. I'm not sure whether US law is any more sane, but that this was patented makes that unlikely.
Gil Hamilton wrote:I'm pretty sure the Patent Office can reject patents if the reviewing engineer/scientist finds the patent completely scientifically outlandish. That said, they probably did patent the devices themselve, since they don't have to claim what they actually think they do.
No, it was patented (US Patent 6,024,935) just as they claimed, including the theoretical claims regarding energy levels of hydrogen that are straightforwardly contradicted by established laws of physics. That both the reviewer and the Mills' attorney dropped the ball on this one (the latter because it would be quite easy to simply excise contentious theory) is extremely unlikely given the the immediate and obvious presence of such claims. That makes me wonder whether the USPO is straitjacketed similarly to their Canadian counterparts: not being able to throw out a patent on theoretical grounds (except for some specific claims, like perpetual motion) and yet also not allowed to require the exhibition of a working model.
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Gil Hamilton wrote:I'm pretty sure the Patent Office can reject patents if the reviewing engineer/scientist finds the patent completely scientifically outlandish. That said, they probably did patent the devices themselve, since they don't have to claim what they actually think they do.
Actually, the sole criteria for having a patent granted is "Is it new? (Y/N)." If you examine patents granted in the U.S. you can find a lot of patents granted for things with no real grounding in science, like other "free energy" woo-woo (just because one has a patent for a device does not mean that the device actually works.)
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Kuroneko wrote:No, it was patented (US Patent 6,024,935) just as they claimed, including the theoretical claims regarding energy levels of hydrogen that are straightforwardly contradicted by established laws of physics. That both the reviewer and the Mills' attorney dropped the ball on this one (the latter because it would be quite easy to simply excise contentious theory) is extremely unlikely given the the immediate and obvious presence of such claims. That makes me wonder whether the USPO is straitjacketed similarly to their Canadian counterparts: not being able to throw out a patent on theoretical grounds (except for some specific claims, like perpetual motion) and yet also not allowed to require the exhibition of a working model.
Huh, no kidding. My understanding was that patents involving scientific theories could be rejected by the US Patent Office if they were completely broken with respect to established physics, the perpetual motion thing being the most obvious and most referred to thing that automatically gets you sent to the rotary file, and was judged by reviewers that were scientists/engineers that worked for the office. That's kind of silly.
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Gil Hamilton wrote:Huh, no kidding. My understanding was that patents involving scientific theories could be rejected by the US Patent Office if they were completely broken with respect to established physics, the perpetual motion thing being the most obvious and most referred to thing that automatically gets you sent to the rotary file, and was judged by reviewers that were scientists/engineers that worked for the office. That's kind of silly.
I suspect that the regulations in question date back to a time when you still had people inventing useful stuff without a complete grasp of the operating principles. People like Edison and Tesla had some truly batshit insane ideas about physics and electricity, quite a lot of which were nonsense, but they still came up with impressive stuff that deserved the recognition of a patent.
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Kuroneko wrote:No, it was patented (US Patent 6,024,935) just as they claimed, including the theoretical claims regarding energy levels of hydrogen that are straightforwardly contradicted by established laws of physics. That both the reviewer and the Mills' attorney dropped the ball on this one (the latter because it would be quite easy to simply excise contentious theory) is extremely unlikely given the the immediate and obvious presence of such claims. That makes me wonder whether the USPO is straitjacketed similarly to their Canadian counterparts: not being able to throw out a patent on theoretical grounds (except for some specific claims, like perpetual motion) and yet also not allowed to require the exhibition of a working model.
Huh, no kidding. My understanding was that patents involving scientific theories could be rejected by the US Patent Office if they were completely broken with respect to established physics, the perpetual motion thing being the most obvious and most referred to thing that automatically gets you sent to the rotary file, and was judged by reviewers that were scientists/engineers that worked for the office. That's kind of silly.
As I understand it, the Patent Office these days is funded completely by the fees they charge for patents. So they have strong incentives against saying "No" to anything.
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