Gay Sex and Masturbation Cause H1N1

[Frank Hipper]

It was obvious to me when I posted this that the doctor in question was a fringe loon, but, honestly, any modern state that permits regions within itself to keep the fucking death penalty for homosexuality on it's books shouldn't be given much benefit of the doubt.

For fuck's sake, 20 years in prison for being gay is enough ordure to avert the nose for any rational person.

[AniThyng]

It was obvious to me when I posted this that the doctor in question was a fringe loon, but, honestly, any modern state that permits regions within itself to keep the fucking death penalty for homosexuality on it's books shouldn't be given much benefit of the doubt.

For fuck's sake, 20 years in prison for being gay is enough ordure to avert the nose for any rational person.

If it's any consolation, the states (Kelantan in particular is a very heavily muslim and conservative state) that enact the death penalty do so not under the secular law system but under the provisions of Islamic Sharia law, which would not be applied to non-muslims (it doesn't make it any better, I know, but this is a problem muslims themselves need to stand up for.

At any rate, I am not aware of any actual executions actually conducted under these laws.

[Samuel]

If it's any consolation, the states (Kelantan in particular is a very heavily muslim and conservative state) that enact the death penalty do so not under the secular law system but under the provisions of Islamic Sharia law, which would not be applied to non-muslims (it doesn't make it any better, I know, but this is a problem muslims themselves need to stand up for.

Isn't apostacy also a death penalty offense?

Out of curiousity, why are the laws still on the books? They can't realistically enforce them- do they think just the threat is sufficient, is there moral panic whenver their repeal is mentioned, what?

[The Romulan Republic]

Or, perhaps I was being a just a tad sarcastic?

I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your post. However, I've lately heard so many absurd things presented completely seriously that I don't generally assume people aren't serious anymore.

That, or maybe I just suck at seeing sarcasm.

[The Yosemite Bear]

1. brain dead quack produces brain dead responses.
2. Last time I checked H1N1, was caused by Smithfield, now world wide, destroying the ecosystem to make more profit off of every last fucking pig on the planet.

[AniThyng]

If it's any consolation, the states (Kelantan in particular is a very heavily muslim and conservative state) that enact the death penalty do so not under the secular law system but under the provisions of Islamic Sharia law, which would not be applied to non-muslims (it doesn't make it any better, I know, but this is a problem muslims themselves need to stand up for.

Isn't apostacy also a death penalty offense?

Out of curiousity, why are the laws still on the books? They can't realistically enforce them- do they think just the threat is sufficient, is there moral panic whenver their repeal is mentioned, what?

Ah, yes. Born a muslim, always a muslim. Do it discreetly, and you will get away with it. Frankly, in living memory only drug traffickers have been hanged.

Malaysia is still a Westminster-style democracy. For the bulk of the malay-muslim voters on both sides of the fence, repealing these laws will not fly, and neither the "secular" Malay-nationalist(and thus by extension, also beholden to Islam) ruling Party nor their bitter enemies, the Malaysian Islamic Party (PAS, who rule Kelantan) can realistically be expected to do this without losing their voters.

Liberal minded secular malays and chinese may see it as an issue, but our vote cannot swing this alone - especially since the secular laws themselves are rarely enforced against non-muslims who are discreet, and even many malays get away with it if they are careful (and not say, running for office like Anwar). The "secular" Malay-dominated-but-nominally-multiracial People's Justice Party (PKR) and the secular socialist chinese-dominated Democratic Action party may care, but they need to work with PAS to have a realistic chance at seizing the government and will not make this an issue, as long as people can discreetly get away without being touched by the law(s). If someone is indeed hung for being gay then perhaps we will see if they have the balls to do something, but this has not happened yet (hanging i mean).

[Samuel]

Ah, yes. Born a muslim, always a muslim. Do it discreetly, and you will get away with it. Frankly, in living memory only drug traffickers have been hanged.

I was under that impression but... hanging drug trafficers? I thought only Singapore was that draconian towards the drug trade. Why are the laws so harsh- is there a major gang problem.

[AniThyng]

Ah, yes. Born a muslim, always a muslim. Do it discreetly, and you will get away with it. Frankly, in living memory only drug traffickers have been hanged.

I was under that impression but... hanging drug trafficers? I thought only Singapore was that draconian towards the drug trade. Why are the laws so harsh- is there a major gang problem.

South east asian countries in general are harsh on drug trafficking - thailand may not have a death penalty, but it's still very harsh. Hmm..well, there isn't a gang problem on the level of say, American inner cities, but this still being a conservative country, drug use and the consequences of such are "played up" greatly - there is certainly a problem with people basically getting hooked on drugs and then becoming criminals to finance their habit etc. I'm not willing to turn this into a debate on the morality of capital punishment for drug traffickers however, I seriously doubt we will change each others mind. The question of say, legalizing soft drugs like marijuana doesn't even come up (much).

Again, this is a political non-issue - no political party on any side of the political spectrum will make it a point or voting issue to overturn capital punishment for drug traffickers. I suppose if a pretty young westerner was sentenced to death then there'll be a big show of pardoning them, but for some nameless thug? Good luck with that...

[AniThyng]

In a sense, I think what I've wrote above underscores one of the ironies of democracy in socially conservative countries - Malaysia obviously isn't a good democracy, the electorial process is manipulated by the ruling party, and oftentimes it seems we've voted monkeys into the parliament, but if it comes to enforcing liberal moral values via the ballot box, you cannot do it in the short term because both sides of the political spectrum don't need that as an issue, and even if you did get a bloc, the way Westminster style democracies work tends to reinforce the dominance of the majority because of 1st past the post - fringe parties can never get a seat in parliament even if the vote was 100% fair.

[Broomstick]

He claims that dry masturbation, which he says ”most men, irrespective of their marital status and age," engage in, but that it is "extremely rare among females of all age groups," is dangerous for the same reason.

Maybe a bit anecdotal, but among the females I know, 'dry' masturbation is anything but rare (though technically it would be rather hard to do since females are generally self-lubricating when aroused).

I was gonna say - if a woman is masturbating properly it doesn't stay "dry" for long. Actually, women are normally at least damp down in that region.[/quote]

[Ghost Rider]

Uhhh...Broom?

I mean a tad late to any conversation given the piece and comments.