Phasers vs Lightsabers

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-02-01 11:02am

Dalton wrote:
Eleas wrote:
Darth Pounder wrote:Aye but you have to figure in Corran Horn can't do force jumps or can kinda Force Push/Pull.
Yes he can...
Actually no...as I recall Corran has no abilities in the telekinetic aspects of the Force.

actually it's far too weak to do anything really (He can like barely move small objects with lot's of concentration. The only time he can use TK push/leap talents is when he's supercharged with energy from using his absorb.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-02-01 11:42am

Dalton wrote:
Eleas wrote:
Darth Pounder wrote:Aye but you have to figure in Corran Horn can't do force jumps or can kinda Force Push/Pull.
Yes he can...
Actually no...as I recall Corran has no abilities in the telekinetic aspects of the Force.

Rob, when Corran absorbs a decent amount of energy, he's miraculously granted tremendous telekinetic powers (after all, this is Stackpole's Mary Sue we're talking about). I'd say that means he's telekinetic.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-02-02 01:25am

The screen shot of Tuvok using a wide-beam stun setting is up in the Pure Trek forum: looks to me like it's a fan-shaped shot rather than a cone like the blaster stun. I'd think it should be easy enough for a Jedi to sense the blast on the way, and either force-leap over it or duck underneath.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-02 08:27am

Eleas wrote:
Dalton wrote:
Eleas wrote:Yes he can...
Actually no...as I recall Corran has no abilities in the telekinetic aspects of the Force.
Rob, when Corran absorbs a decent amount of energy, he's miraculously granted tremendous telekinetic powers (after all, this is Stackpole's Mary Sue we're talking about). I'd say that means he's telekinetic.

Aye but would you want shot every time you wanted to do a Force Pull/Push? Under normal circumstances Horn is self admitidly lame in the area of telekenesis.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-02-02 10:13pm

beyond hope wrote:The screen shot of Tuvok using a wide-beam stun setting is up in the Pure Trek forum: looks to me like it's a fan-shaped shot rather than a cone like the blaster stun. I'd think it should be easy enough for a Jedi to sense the blast on the way, and either force-leap over it or duck underneath.

Even more proof that the Trek universe doesn't have a 3rd dimension.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-02-04 06:10pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
beyond hope wrote:The screen shot of Tuvok using a wide-beam stun setting is up in the Pure Trek forum: looks to me like it's a fan-shaped shot rather than a cone like the blaster stun. I'd think it should be easy enough for a Jedi to sense the blast on the way, and either force-leap over it or duck underneath.
Even more proof that the Trek universe doesn't have a 3rd dimension.

The other proof being the two-dimensional characters?

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-02-05 12:52am

beyond hope wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
beyond hope wrote:The screen shot of Tuvok using a wide-beam stun setting is up in the Pure Trek forum: looks to me like it's a fan-shaped shot rather than a cone like the blaster stun. I'd think it should be easy enough for a Jedi to sense the blast on the way, and either force-leap over it or duck underneath.
Even more proof that the Trek universe doesn't have a 3rd dimension.
The other proof being the two-dimensional characters?

Yes!

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-02-09 10:32pm

Darth Pounder wrote:
Eleas wrote: Rob, when Corran absorbs a decent amount of energy, he's miraculously granted tremendous telekinetic powers (after all, this is Stackpole's Mary Sue we're talking about). I'd say that means he's telekinetic.
Aye but would you want shot every time you wanted to do a Force Pull/Push? Under normal circumstances Horn is self admitidly lame in the area of telekenesis.

Dear boy, all Corran needs is a small energy source close to his skin and he loses all those vaunted problems. Not to mention the fact that most of the difficult situations he could be expected to face involves... blaster bolts.

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 05:41am

Durandal wrote:A) As smart as sweeping the phaser beam around would be, Feddies have rarely, if ever, done it. Perhaps there's only a certain amount of time that the phaser can be fired at once.

B) Feddies seem to be phasing out beam weapons in favor of pulse weapons anyway.

C) Jedi can absorb a good amount of energy. See Vader in TESB and Luke in RotJ.

Yeah, Jedi/Sith alike can absorb energy, but they also have to put it somewhere. It's called Absorb/Dissipate. They either have to transfer the energy somewhere, or in some cases transfer it to themselves *I think they take some damage from that though* but eventually become living Force Power Plants.

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 05:45am

Dalton wrote:
Eleas wrote:
Darth Pounder wrote:Aye but you have to figure in Corran Horn can't do force jumps or can kinda Force Push/Pull.
Yes he can...
Actually no...as I recall Corran has no abilities in the telekinetic aspects of the Force.

You are correct. Telekinesis was beyond his abilities, except with the most taxing effort. However, he has the exceptional skill of absorbing energy and control of the weak minded.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-02-10 11:49am

Helm wrote:
Dalton wrote:
Eleas wrote:Yes he can...
Actually no...as I recall Corran has no abilities in the telekinetic aspects of the Force.
You are correct. Telekinesis was beyond his abilities, except with the most taxing effort. However, he has the exceptional skill of absorbing energy and control of the weak minded.

Sorry, that's incorrect. We have seen both Nejaa Halcyon and Corran Horn use telekinetics on a grand scale in "I, Jedi." Whether they needed absorb energy first is irrelevant.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-02-10 11:51am

Helm wrote:, but they also have to put it somewhere. It's called Absorb/Dissipate. They either have to transfer the energy somewhere, or in some cases transfer it to themselves *I think they take some damage from that though* but eventually become living Force Power Plants.

According to WEG sources, the Absorb/Dissipate skill cannot allow the channeling of energy the way Corran does. In fact, IIRC the only source that ever shows anyone doing that is "I, Jedi."

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-02-10 10:00pm

Doesn't "I, Jedi" override WEG?

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 10:16pm

I know a lot of people still go by WEG, but WEG was years ago and things have been updated since then. I go by WoTC now. And Corran's ability is very rare even in WoTC. I think you have to make a sacrifice in another part of the Force to give some foundation to why you have it.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-02-10 10:25pm

Helm wrote:I know a lot of people still go by WEG, but WEG was years ago and things have been updated since then. I go by WoTC now. And Corran's ability is very rare even in WoTC. I think you have to make a sacrifice in another part of the Force to give some foundation to why you have it.

If we applied your convulted logic, the novelizations of the trilogy are outranked by NJO. This is not so.

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 10:33pm

No SirNitram, I wouldn't say that or even suggest that.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-02-10 10:38pm

Helm wrote:No SirNitram, I wouldn't say that or even suggest that.

While it is a dramatization of what you are implying, it is still accurate. You feel WOTC should be above WEG because it is 'more recent'. Frankly, I find this a nonsensical reason at best.

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 10:40pm

*shakes head* SirNitram, I go by WoTC because it details things that WEG does not, it has updates, and because WoTC is more accesible. I had searched hard and long before WoTC for WEG and could find none. So don't burn me at the stake please.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-02-10 10:58pm

Helm wrote:*shakes head* SirNitram, I go by WoTC because it details things that WEG does not, it has updates, and because WoTC is more accesible. I had searched hard and long before WoTC for WEG and could find none. So don't burn me at the stake please.

I don't burn anyone at the stake. I hit them with nuclear-grade HADOKENs. I'm a Black Mage here!

While WOTC may be more accessible and is currently being updated, it also is incredibly vacant on things WEG has extensively detailed. The best solution is to place both in the Official category and judge them equally. If they contradict, search for other sources and logic.

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 11:01pm

I'd do that SirNitram, and that's reasonable, but for me I don't have access to them so how would I get around that?

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-02-11 01:13am

Darth Yoshi wrote:Doesn't "I, Jedi" override WEG?

If so, Attack of the Clones should override Empire Strikes Back. Why apply double standards?

I, for one, would gladly strike "I, Jedi" out of the continuity entirely.

Helm wrote:I'd do that SirNitram, and that's reasonable, but for me I don't have access to them so how would I get around that?

First, concentrate on the relevant books. A lot of useful data has already been mined by other people. Then, you look at the Net. Sheppard, for example, put Imperial Sourcebook online in its entirety; an excellent book.

I suppose I shan't give my unsolicited opinion on the similarities between WoTC SW and El Niño.