Yuuzhan Vong Invasion Fleet vs. Alpha/Beta Quadrants

[SirNitram]

So do you have any rebuttals for the facts I presented, or the requests I made?

[Helm]

I'm looking them up right now. If I don't, then you can say I'm wrong or have nothing to back it up with. Fair enough?

[Helm]

My my... That's a post full of hasty generalizations and previously destroyed arguments.

The Empire has a million worlds, at least. How do we know this? Well, Tarkin tells us about the Million Worlds of the Empire in ANH. These, we find when we glance over WEG, are the member worlds.. Fifty million more exist as barely-colonized, and a hundred mill are mined! It appears your claims about the NR and the Federation(Stated in FC to be 150 member worlds) being the same size are BULLSHIT, plain and simple.

Hyperdrive leaves you blind? Source, please.

The NR has no border because Hyperdrive removes the sense of one. One can skip through, or over, contested territory in minutes or hours. This makes lines about as effective as long trenches in WWII Europe..

(Alliances)

The Klingons sent a few ships for BOBW, which didn't get there in time. They sent nothing for FC. The Romulans had to be tricked, even when facing an enemy that would splatter them.

(Intelligence)

You claim there is not much space for the Vong to get a toehold in ST. Please prove this utterly unsubstantiated comment.

(Borg)

'It was all a Borg lie! REALLY! THEY WEREN'T REALLY LOSING!!!!!111'.

Prove it.

(Transwarp)

Wow, a single hub, easily destroyed, and they must have the infrastructure to attack an entire galaxy.. But they don't.

No one here claims S8472 is on par with SW in ship-to-ship(Calc's of their main guns make them pale in comparison to the guns on a 30 year old transport, for Bob's sake..), sadly. And the Federation 'scares' a bunch of pussies that run when they lose 6 soldiers. They were pussies with big guns, woopie.

I'm sure you'll continue to declare victory..

WEG is rather extinct these days nor can I get my hands on any, but I'll go by my Rebellion Era Sourcebook from Wizards. And I'll concede that mine was a hasty response and that the book does say that aproximately one million planets. Perhaps I should put it like this. That even though the Federation, compared to the SW galaxy/Republic's don't have a million planets, don't count them out just because of size.

It does leave you blind, because you are entering a different continuum as I recall. I can't find my sourcebooks to back this up with, but I'll find them eventually. But the entire thing is that you can only detect large masses. The hyperdrive will do this automatically actually and if you get to close to a large mass the hyperdrive unit considers to be on a collision with, it is set by default to pull the ship out of hyperspace. Hyperspace has also been used to hide starships I believe as well. I'll continue to look up sources for you though on this.

Yes, I believe I said something that agrees with you on the fact that border lines for territories in SW are rather pointless. If I didn't, I do now.

I believe two BoP made it to Wolf 359 and were, of course, destroyed. The Romulans never came, of course. The only time the Federation and the Romulans ever met (this is staying with the films, not the books) concerning the Borg were over New Providence Colony. It was the first episode in TNG with the Romulans I believe.

Well, what I meant to point out is... you know, how in SW with hyperspace you can just cross over a border because you can in a matter of minutes or hours? What I'm saying is in ST, it just doesn't work like that. I'm not saying they can't, at least now I'm not.

Yes, it was all Borg lies, heh. I'm looking up the actual qoutes, but I do know the Voyager Episode. It was called "In The Flesh".

But they had the capacity to make that hub. They could make it again for all we know? It's a demonstration of their power is what I'm saying.

Well, Darth Sarvo did *L* he said that Species 8472 had SW level firepower.

[Darth Servo]

Is it? If you take a look at a Star Wars galactic map. you'll see something particularly peculiar.

You mean like this one? As far as I can tell, it shows syatems spread across the entire galaxy. Han Solo says there at least 12 million KNOWN inhabbited systems and the ANH novelization specifically states that the Empire alone controls [Dr. Evil]ONE MILLEION SYSTEMS[/Dr. Evil]

Most cases Star Wars has been primarily concerned with planets and only planets, and sometimes systems.

Except for that little bit in AOTC listing the sepratists as controling "thousands of systems" and another 10,000 ready to join them.

There is no grand stellar cartography divisions that are known, or to even exist, in Star Wars.

Because its already been done, millena ago. See the Jedi archives in AOTC. If a planet isn't in the records, it doesn't exist.

The reason is because of Hyperdrive. It makes them blind when they travel, they cannot see what is around them (they can only sense with large masses are nearby, but by then it's too late before the hyperdrive default mechanisms exit hyperspace to avoid a collision with a planet, sun, or asteroid belt) and so, charting space is drastically difficult.

Don't be ridiculous. All you need to do to get a general chart of the galaxy is know where the stars are. We can do that today with simple telescopes. If someone wants to get more detailed info about a particular star, they just punch in the coordinates and off they go.

They may be able to jump from one point of the galaxy to another in a few days, but they cannot chart all the territory they pass by and check for suitable colonies, resources, and what not. In terms of exploration, I'd say that the Federation *and now pulls out his Star Trek atlas book* who, in comparison to the New Republic, would indeed show that it has larger borders then the Federation... but that deep in their borders, they have not utiliized every planet, every resource, every space they can because constant hyperspace jumping is stressful

What a load of shit.

(there is a reason why there is a UKNOWN REGIONS in Star Wars since the great war with the Sith 1000 years before Episode 1).

And that reason is???

The Federation, with it's FTL being warp drive, can do this with relative ease, and since the Federation's mind set is to boldy go where no man has gone before etc and so forth, the Federation is going to utilize every space they find.

ST Insurrection proved that the Federation has NOT explored its entire territory. The desire to explore space does NOT give them the ability to actually do so in an instant.

And by this map in the Star Trek atlas I am looking at, I'd say the Federation is roughly 1/12 of it's current galaxy, the Milky Way, which is 8.33% but only by 2 dimnensional standards.

Actually, 8.33% is about right by canon standards.

TNG Season 1, Ep# 6: "Where None Have Gone Before"

KOSINSKI: In three centuries of space flight, we have charted just eleven percent of our galaxy.

They've CHARTED 11% of their galaxy in three centuries. Charted does NOT mean colonized 11%.

Space is 3D and I think the Federation would have utilized every inch of space in that 3D galaxy of their's.

You think they would, but you have no evidence.

My point, if I may have allready lost you by now, is this. Yes, Star Wars/New Republic may seem to be everywhere in the map, but they have not.

You have no evidence for this claim.

They do not have such a backboned structure as teh Federation does.

Because they've already explored their galaxy. The works been done for millenia.

The New Republic along with most interstellar governments of it's own galaxy rely on major planets as a key marker to how much territory they control. There really is no defined border with the New Republic because of this.

Because the "border" for all intents and purposes is the galactic rim. There are no major competetors to contend with. The galaxy was UNITED under the Old Republic.

With the Federation, however, there is.

Because the Federation isn't nearly as old or advanced as the Republic. Fed ships take DAYS to cross their piddly section of the galaxy--a trip which would take SW ships minutes or even seconds.

And the Federation's allies (Klingons, Ferengi Alliance, and perhaps the Romulans if you want to be so bold) would most likely, after having been invaded by the Borg and the Dominion,

-The Klingons and Romulans never helped the Feds against the borg. They only joined the Feds against the Dominion once they realized they would be dead if they didn't.

Incorrect. The Klingons have helped the Federation before with Borg incursions.

They thought about sending ships to fight the borg at Wolf 359, but there is no evidence they actually did. Did you see Klingon ships in ST:FC? I certainly didn't. Did you hear anything about Klingon ships in Descent? I certainly didn't.

The Romulans and Federation have also met with discovering destroyed colonies on the Romulan/Federation Neutral Zone, which were destroyer by the Borg. Yes, they have worked together before in the past when it comes to the Borg.

VEEEEEEEERY breifly and that was simply an exchange of information. Later, most Romulan encounters in TNG, the Romulans were quite obviously acting against the best interests of the Federation (Redemption, The Enemy, The Defector, Tin Man, Unification, Face of the Enemy).

Any HONEST viewer of the show can easily see that the Federation and Romulans are NOT on friendly terms.

If the Vong do not get some sort of foot hold to continue their war campaign, they will fall.

-Thats a pretty big if since there are vast unexplored regions within Federation territory, let alone the entire quadrant that the Vong could occupy without needing to fight any major powers.

It depends. Do the Vong have early gathered intelligence like they did with Star Wars?

Don't need to. Much of the alpha quadrant is UNEXPLORED. Chances are greater that they will pop up in an un-occupied section of the galaxy than in the middle of the Federation.

Will they have available starcharts and know where everything is?

Its not that difficult to make a Star chart with advanced sensor technology since we can already do such things TODAY.

And it's not just as easy as finding a empty space of realty in the Star Trek galaxy and then invaded all the major powers. It's just not that easy with ST, unlike it was with SW whom had a un-unified New Republic and a rather reluctant galactic populace willing to help everyone (instead of just themselves) anyway.

The major powers in Trek are NOT unified. The Klingons (the Feds biggest ally) was EASILY turned against the Federation without provocation by the Dominion in Way of the Warrior.

It's not a big IF. If the Vong are a worst threat then the Dominion, they will unite once again if they have to.

The only people to attack the Dominion were the powers that were directly attacked themselves. There is far MORE evidence of a fragmented galaxy in ST that in the post RotJ SW.

At least the Klingons and the Federation.

Which are insignificant next to SW scale civilizations.

The Federation is known for getting out of the most worse case scenario's and making replicators out of chunks of granite, to exaggerate a bit.

Only because they were facing relatively even matchups. The worst was against the borg and the collective was getting its ass kicked by someone with the kind of power demonstrated in SW.

I'm going to assume that when you say"... the collective was getting its ass kicked by someone with the kind of power demonstrated in SW" you are referring to Species 8472.[/quote]Yep.

The war between the Borg and Species 8472 was not as tilted in favor of 8472 as the Borg let Voyager to believe. It was simply a means to deceive Voyager in getting what they needed, which was newly devolped nano-probes that could assimilate 8472.

Bullshit. When Janeway first approached them in Scorpion pt 1, the Borg immediately threatened to assimilate them. If the borg DID need the nanoprobes as badly as you claim, then you just admitted that they WERE getting their ass kicked.

Concesion accepted.

Here's some dialogue you seem to have missed from Scorpion.

BORG V.O.: Species 8472 has penetrated Matrix 010, Grid 19. 8 planets destroyed. 312 vessels disabled. Four milion six hundred twenty one Borg eliminated. We must seize control of the Alpha Quadrant vessel and take it into the alien realm.

Sounds like they're desperate to me.

Oh, that those nano probes scare the hell out of them. Oh, and that to them they were fighting for their survival of their race and had taken heavy casualties.

Got any numbers to back that up? considering the fact that they were

8472 and the Borg came to a draw

No evidence.

and quite possibly since the Borg could now assimilate 8472 now with the modified and upgraded nano probes

Bullshit. Voyager NEVER actually gave them the nanoprobes.

probably tip the scales in favor to the Borg if you wanted to.

No evidence.

But what about the Dominion? Was that a even match up? It took 3 galactic governments in the alpha/beta quadrants to end their war campaign. I'd hardly say that's a even match up.

3 to 1 is pretty even in comparison to the million to one they'd be facing against a major SW power.

Besides, you're wrong (again). It took three alpha/beta quad powers to satnd against the combined powers of the Dominion, Cardassians and the Breen. Thats 3 on 3. Most people consider that an even matchup.

Go watch the last Voyager episode where they talk about their transwarp conduit hubs.

You make a claim, you provide the evidence. You provide the exact dialogue. They had a conduit to Earth. That does NOT mean they have conduits everywhere.

I never said anyone would call on the Borg for help.

By suggestion that they would play a part in the war, you might as well have.

I was simply stating that it's likely possible that the Federation and other governments are not too far behind in creating their own transwarp systems.

No evidence. The Feds have been working on Transwarp since ST 3, over 80 YEARS. That's not what most people call "close".

They have proven they can withstand Species 8472.

No, they got their asses kicked.

And, since you staying that 8472 is SW level firepower

Now who's putting words in who's mouth. I believe I said that S8472 was the only Trek power that even came close to what the SW civilization can do.

... let me go even further with that, and your other statement. So they are SW level firepower to -you-... (I look at it very differently, but let's say what you say is true... and SW level firepower would just kick the CRAP out of anything or something)...

So the Federation scares the hell out of a SW level firepower race, 8472. Sends them screaming home.

Only because they're a bunch of gutless cowards who whine at the loss of less than 20 ships.

So... if the Federation with their "sucky ships" as you once put it so elequently, scared the hell out of Species 8472, whom to you has SW level firepower.

Not what I said at all.

What can I say, you made my case with the last one. Now it's so obvious that the Federation can withstand anything the Vong can throw at them.

Only when you twist my words to say something I didn't.

[Helm]

Is it? If you take a look at a Star Wars galactic map. you'll see something particularly peculiar.

You mean like this one? As far as I can tell, it shows syatems spread across the entire galaxy. Han Solo says there at least 12 million KNOWN inhabbited systems and the ANH novelization specifically states that the Empire alone controls [Dr. Evil]ONE MILLEION SYSTEMS[/Dr. Evil]

Most cases Star Wars has been primarily concerned with planets and only planets, and sometimes systems.

Except for that little bit in AOTC listing the sepratists as controling "thousands of systems" and another 10,000 ready to join them.

There is no grand stellar cartography divisions that are known, or to even exist, in Star Wars.

Because its already been done, millena ago. See the Jedi archives in AOTC. If a planet isn't in the records, it doesn't exist.

The reason is because of Hyperdrive. It makes them blind when they travel, they cannot see what is around them (they can only sense with large masses are nearby, but by then it's too late before the hyperdrive default mechanisms exit hyperspace to avoid a collision with a planet, sun, or asteroid belt) and so, charting space is drastically difficult.

Don't be ridiculous. All you need to do to get a general chart of the galaxy is know where the stars are. We can do that today with simple telescopes. If someone wants to get more detailed info about a particular star, they just punch in the coordinates and off they go.

They may be able to jump from one point of the galaxy to another in a few days, but they cannot chart all the territory they pass by and check for suitable colonies, resources, and what not. In terms of exploration, I'd say that the Federation *and now pulls out his Star Trek atlas book* who, in comparison to the New Republic, would indeed show that it has larger borders then the Federation... but that deep in their borders, they have not utiliized every planet, every resource, every space they can because constant hyperspace jumping is stressful

What a load of shit.

(there is a reason why there is a UKNOWN REGIONS in Star Wars since the great war with the Sith 1000 years before Episode 1).

And that reason is???

The Federation, with it's FTL being warp drive, can do this with relative ease, and since the Federation's mind set is to boldy go where no man has gone before etc and so forth, the Federation is going to utilize every space they find.

ST Insurrection proved that the Federation has NOT explored its entire territory. The desire to explore space does NOT give them the ability to actually do so in an instant.

And by this map in the Star Trek atlas I am looking at, I'd say the Federation is roughly 1/12 of it's current galaxy, the Milky Way, which is 8.33% but only by 2 dimnensional standards.

Actually, 8.33% is about right by canon standards.

TNG Season 1, Ep# 6: "Where None Have Gone Before"

KOSINSKI: In three centuries of space flight, we have charted just eleven percent of our galaxy.

They've CHARTED 11% of their galaxy in three centuries. Charted does NOT mean colonized 11%.

Space is 3D and I think the Federation would have utilized every inch of space in that 3D galaxy of their's.

You think they would, but you have no evidence.

My point, if I may have allready lost you by now, is this. Yes, Star Wars/New Republic may seem to be everywhere in the map, but they have not.

You have no evidence for this claim.

They do not have such a backboned structure as teh Federation does.

Because they've already explored their galaxy. The works been done for millenia.

The New Republic along with most interstellar governments of it's own galaxy rely on major planets as a key marker to how much territory they control. There really is no defined border with the New Republic because of this.

Because the "border" for all intents and purposes is the galactic rim. There are no major competetors to contend with. The galaxy was UNITED under the Old Republic.

With the Federation, however, there is.

Because the Federation isn't nearly as old or advanced as the Republic. Fed ships take DAYS to cross their piddly section of the galaxy--a trip which would take SW ships minutes or even seconds.

-The Klingons and Romulans never helped the Feds against the borg. They only joined the Feds against the Dominion once they realized they would be dead if they didn't.

Incorrect. The Klingons have helped the Federation before with Borg incursions.

They thought about sending ships to fight the borg at Wolf 359, but there is no evidence they actually did. Did you see Klingon ships in ST:FC? I certainly didn't. Did you hear anything about Klingon ships in Descent? I certainly didn't.

The Romulans and Federation have also met with discovering destroyed colonies on the Romulan/Federation Neutral Zone, which were destroyer by the Borg. Yes, they have worked together before in the past when it comes to the Borg.

VEEEEEEEERY breifly and that was simply an exchange of information. Later, most Romulan encounters in TNG, the Romulans were quite obviously acting against the best interests of the Federation (Redemption, The Enemy, The Defector, Tin Man, Unification, Face of the Enemy).

Any HONEST viewer of the show can easily see that the Federation and Romulans are NOT on friendly terms.

-Thats a pretty big if since there are vast unexplored regions within Federation territory, let alone the entire quadrant that the Vong could occupy without needing to fight any major powers.

It depends. Do the Vong have early gathered intelligence like they did with Star Wars?

Don't need to. Much of the alpha quadrant is UNEXPLORED. Chances are greater that they will pop up in an un-occupied section of the galaxy than in the middle of the Federation.

Will they have available starcharts and know where everything is?

Its not that difficult to make a Star chart with advanced sensor technology since we can already do such things TODAY.

And it's not just as easy as finding a empty space of realty in the Star Trek galaxy and then invaded all the major powers. It's just not that easy with ST, unlike it was with SW whom had a un-unified New Republic and a rather reluctant galactic populace willing to help everyone (instead of just themselves) anyway.

The major powers in Trek are NOT unified. The Klingons (the Feds biggest ally) was EASILY turned against the Federation without provocation by the Dominion in Way of the Warrior.

It's not a big IF. If the Vong are a worst threat then the Dominion, they will unite once again if they have to.

The only people to attack the Dominion were the powers that were directly attacked themselves. There is far MORE evidence of a fragmented galaxy in ST that in the post RotJ SW.

At least the Klingons and the Federation.

Which are insignificant next to SW scale civilizations.

The Federation is known for getting out of the most worse case scenario's and making replicators out of chunks of granite, to exaggerate a bit.

Only because they were facing relatively even matchups. The worst was against the borg and the collective was getting its ass kicked by someone with the kind of power demonstrated in SW.

I'm going to assume that when you say"... the collective was getting its ass kicked by someone with the kind of power demonstrated in SW" you are referring to Species 8472.

Yep.

The war between the Borg and Species 8472 was not as tilted in favor of 8472 as the Borg let Voyager to believe. It was simply a means to deceive Voyager in getting what they needed, which was newly devolped nano-probes that could assimilate 8472.

Bullshit. When Janeway first approached them in Scorpion pt 1, the Borg immediately threatened to assimilate them. If the borg DID need the nanoprobes as badly as you claim, then you just admitted that they WERE getting their ass kicked.

Concesion accepted.

Here's some dialogue you seem to have missed from Scorpion.

BORG V.O.: Species 8472 has penetrated Matrix 010, Grid 19. 8 planets destroyed. 312 vessels disabled. Four milion six hundred twenty one Borg eliminated. We must seize control of the Alpha Quadrant vessel and take it into the alien realm.

Sounds like they're desperate to me.

Oh, that those nano probes scare the hell out of them. Oh, and that to them they were fighting for their survival of their race and had taken heavy casualties.

Got any numbers to back that up? considering the fact that they were

8472 and the Borg came to a draw

No evidence.

and quite possibly since the Borg could now assimilate 8472 now with the modified and upgraded nano probes

Bullshit. Voyager NEVER actually gave them the nanoprobes.

probably tip the scales in favor to the Borg if you wanted to.

No evidence.

But what about the Dominion? Was that a even match up? It took 3 galactic governments in the alpha/beta quadrants to end their war campaign. I'd hardly say that's a even match up.

3 to 1 is pretty even in comparison to the million to one they'd be facing against a major SW power.

Besides, you're wrong (again). It took three alpha/beta quad powers to satnd against the combined powers of the Dominion, Cardassians and the Breen. Thats 3 on 3. Most people consider that an even matchup.

Go watch the last Voyager episode where they talk about their transwarp conduit hubs.

You make a claim, you provide the evidence. You provide the exact dialogue. They had a conduit to Earth. That does NOT mean they have conduits everywhere.

I never said anyone would call on the Borg for help.

By suggestion that they would play a part in the war, you might as well have.

I was simply stating that it's likely possible that the Federation and other governments are not too far behind in creating their own transwarp systems.

No evidence. The Feds have been working on Transwarp since ST 3, over 80 YEARS. That's not what most people call "close".

They have proven they can withstand Species 8472.

No, they got their asses kicked.

And, since you staying that 8472 is SW level firepower

Now who's putting words in who's mouth. I believe I said that S8472 was the only Trek power that even came close to what the SW civilization can do.

... let me go even further with that, and your other statement. So they are SW level firepower to -you-... (I look at it very differently, but let's say what you say is true... and SW level firepower would just kick the CRAP out of anything or something)...

So the Federation scares the hell out of a SW level firepower race, 8472. Sends them screaming home.

Only because they're a bunch of gutless cowards who whine at the loss of less than 20 ships.

So... if the Federation with their "sucky ships" as you once put it so elequently, scared the hell out of Species 8472, whom to you has SW level firepower.

Not what I said at all.

What can I say, you made my case with the last one. Now it's so obvious that the Federation can withstand anything the Vong can throw at them.

Only when you twist my words to say something I didn't.[/quote]

I allready corrected a few of my grossly incorrect generalizations Darth Sarvo. And I apologize for them and I hope you don't hate me or anything.

But to me you still made it sound like that Species 8472 had SW level firepower. If you don't think that, okay then, but I recall seeing you saying that a few times.

[Darth Servo]

I allready corrected a few of my grossly incorrect generalizations Darth Sarvo. And I apologize for them and I hope you don't hate me or anything.

Thats alright. I began that post before you had corrected them but wasn't finsihed until after you and Sir Nitram had exchanged a few posts. Didn't mean to trash you after you'd corrected yourself. Sorry

But to me you still made it sound like that Species 8472 had SW level firepower. If you don't think that, okay then, but I recall seeing you saying that a few times.

Here's what I said:

they [the borg] have proven to be incapable of withstanding SW level firepower by S8472.

That means that SW is equal to or greater than 8472 firepower. 8472 has demonstrated the ability to blow up a planet (although not nearly as violently as Alderaan blew up) so they seem to be, lets put it this way--in the ball park of SW weaponry, although still not at SW level. I appoligise for any confusion due to my vague quote.

[Helm]

Allright. I'm following where you are going now Darth Servo.

You know what I want to know though, is how you guys come up with the figures for the joules and megatons and what not for the SW weaponry. How do you guys do that?

[Darth Servo]

You know what I want to know though, is how you guys come up with the figures for the joules and megatons and what not for the SW weaponry. How do you guys do that?

Read the main website. Its all there.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/index.html

[Helm]

Thanks Servo. I'll take a look.

[Helm]

Now I thought I actually knew more then most when it came to this stuff. But that site just made me feel like a ignorant newb like you said once. Damn. Thanks again Servo.

[Darth Servo]

Now I thought I actually knew more then most when it came to this stuff. But that site just made me feel like a ignorant newb like you said once. Damn. Thanks again Servo.

Yeah, and even those pages are in need of an update due to new information and old stuff becomming obsolete. A lot of the ST stuff is based on the Tech Manuals which have been declared non-canon since Mike wrote those pages. He's currently working on a database of canon material for each universe. The TNG one is essentially complete. He has a few entries for ST Voyager and the SW OT novelizations.

Have a look.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Database/index.html

[Helm]

That would be most damn useful Servo. That would be cool to see when completed.

[beyond hope]

Has anyone in the NJO novels tried using a cloak against the Vong? My thinking on this is that if they can manipulate the energies in blaster bolts, proton torpedoes, and shields using the dovin basals, then they can probably sense and remove a cloak as well since it's an energy field. If it worked it would be a really rude shock for the Romulans and Klingons.

[Darth Fanboy]

Even if the feds were able to stand up to the Vong in fleet combat there is no way they could stop a Vong fleet pulling BDZ style attacks like they did in Force Heretic I. Their campaign strategy would resemble the Imperial strategy posted by Mike WOng on his page with the exception that territories are needed.

Vong strategy:

Take planets that are small colony worlds or unaligned worlds for planets and slaves. Smaller AQ goverments would fall in short order before the major powers could react.

Attack the major powers while their fleets are not mased. Even if the entire Fed/Klingon/Romulan fleet could stand up to an Equivalent Vong fleet, Fed ships aren't typically massed in large groups and if it is safe to assume that the Klingons and Romulans operate in a similar manner then all the Vong would have to do is go through and start eliminating the enemy fleets piece by piece.

Destruction of the capital planets could be done quickly and ruthlessly just like what the Vong did to the Yevetha. with those destroyed as well as the major shipyards the Feds would be unable to fight for long.