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Top Republicans, inspired by President Barack Obama’s recent drop in popularity, are newly optimistic about their chances of challenging him in 2012 and are focusing on some surprising names.

Some major donors and GOP strategists have approached Joe Scarborough, the host of MSNBC’s "Morning Joe,” about a national run, according to party sources.

Former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole of Kansas, the Republican nominee in 1996, told POLITICO that he would like to see Army four-star Gen. David Petraeus — the head of the U.S. Central Command, which includes Iraq and Afghanistan — run for president as a latter-day Ike.

Some fiscal conservatives, convinced that they’ll never “out-Obama Obama,” are sold on a solid-but-unflashy choice: Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels. Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) was able to generate some early buzz — and news coverage — simply by telegraphing plans for a quick trip to Iowa later this year.

Then there is freshman Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker, a former Chattanooga mayor who cut a high profile as an opponent of the Obama administration’s auto industry strategy and keynoted the South Carolina GOP’s annual dinner in May.

“Several GOP candidates are coming to the view that the way to run against Obama is not to out-Obama Obama with flash or sizzle,” said Dan Senor, an adjunct senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a Bush administration veteran. “They want to go in the opposite direction: smart, back-to-basics, competence.”

It’s a fool’s errand to appraise whether any of these candidates — or the half-dozen other top-tier GOP possibilities — stand a chance in 2012. And top GOP strategists say they recognize that history gives them little chance of unseating Obama if the economy improves noticeably.

Still, there’s been an unmistakable surge in the behind-the-scenes chatter as Obama's poll numbers continue to fall — and it reflects a party that is at least contemplating an out of-the-box approach to 2012.
As much as anything, it’s an expansive search for more options than there are at present, one that could yield a candidate as unorthodox as Scarborough, the youthful former congressman-turned-cable-TV-personality, or as staid as Daniels, the former Office of Management and Budget director nicknamed “The Blade” for his budget-cutting acumen.

The common denominator is that Republican operatives no longer assume — as they did in the opening months of Obama’s presidency — that 2012 will be a fruitless cycle for their party. The comparisons to 1964, a nadir for the GOP, are now being reassessed.

Liz Cheney, a State Department official in the Bush administration, said it is "absolutely" possible for a Republican to win the presidency in 2012.

"The independents who were so critical will come back to the Republican Party when they realize, as they're coming to realize, that we're the ones that can be trusted both on the economy and on national security," she said. "So the substance is a lot more important than: Is it this person? Is it that person?"

One such person floated in a column in The Wall Street Journal is none other than her father, former Vice President Dick Cheney. That's not happening, though it’s sometimes hard to tell with his frequent appearances and sharp political rhetoric.

When asked if it’s even plausible, she replied: "I think no. I mean, I'd love for it to. But no."

Most of the media attention to date has centered on former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the GOP vice presidential nominee in 2008; Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who was greeted with interest as he courted donors and operatives in New York City this week; former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who lost his quest for last year’s nomination to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.); and others who have flirted with runs before but took a pass, notably former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.).

But for many Republicans, a fresh face who conveys a dramatic departure from the familiar is exactly what the party needs.

"Well, I'd like to see Gen. Petraeus warm up,” Dole said. “I don't know anything about his politics, whether he has an interest. It's kind of a time for another Eisenhower, in my view."

This isn't the first time the popular general's name has been floated as a possible GOP savior — and it won't be the last. Petraeus has political impulses but hasn't revealed if they are conservative ones, and he might not even be a Republican.

The CFR’s Senor is skeptical, even though Petraeus would be an appealing candidate. “He has to be focused like a laser beam on Afghanistan,” Senor said. “If he is as successful in Afghanistan as he was in Iraq, nothing else matters, and he will instantly be considered a top-tier candidate for president.

“But in order to be successful, he has to work very closely and effectively inside this administration, and very loyally to the commander-in-chief. He’s going to work successfully with this administration, and then all of a sudden announce that he’s stepping down to run against the commander in chief under which he served? As a practical matter, that’s unlikely.”

MSNBC’s Scarborough has been told by some big donors that he should make a run in 2012.

“I think he does have aspirations. That is half of it: You got to want it,” said CNBC’s Donny Deutsche, a regular guest on Scarborough’s morning show, who recently raised the idea with him off-camera. “In this day and age, it would almost make sense for [a presidential candidate] to come from media.”

Mika Brzezinski, Scarborough’s co-host, says she hears constant calls for him to run at events the two do together around the country.

“People think his voice and message match where people are today,” she told us.

Still, Brzezinski predicted it won’t happen because he’s committed to the show.

Scarborough was mentioned as possible candidate for Senate seat in Florida earlier this year but told friends he was much happier hosting a popular television show and making money. Since then, he has emerged as a critic of Obama on government spending and other issues — but one who also prides himself in taking on his own party.

Asked about his interest in running, Scarborough said in an e-mail: “I plan to work at 30 Rock for a very long time,” a reference to NBC headquarters in Manhattan’s Rockefeller Center. (Full disclosure: Both authors of this article make regular, unpaid appearances on his show.)

“Morning Joe,” which reaches just under 500,000 viewers each day, is a strong platform for reaching voters and landing speeches before audiences of people who could vote for him or, more importantly, raise money for a presidential run. It’s also a great practice arena for getting up to speed on issues and testing ideas and lines that might one day resonate with voters.

The show could also hurt him. He has popped off on camera for hundreds of hours, giving any opponent plenty of footage to exploit. And what might make him appealing to a liberal donor in New York — his willingness to reason with opponents and buck his own party — would be appalling to many conservatives.

Ed Rollins, the veteran Republican operative who ran Mike Huckabee’s 2008 presidential campaign, said it’s more likely an elected official like Daniels or Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour could mount a serious challenge to Obama.

The crop of attractive candidates, he said, “will grow and prosper.” As will the speculation on who could pull it off.
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While it is too early to tell if Obama will continue to mishandle the economy till 2012, it's interesting to see the Republicans starting to abandon Palin, and Jindal as potential presidential candidates.
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Petraeus strikes me as too classy to run against his sitting boss like that. Maybe in 2016.
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Scarborough isn't nearly crazy enough to win the GOP nomination... he's on MSNBC, for Christ's sake.
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SancheztheWhaler wrote:Scarborough isn't nearly crazy enough to win the GOP nomination... he's on MSNBC, for Christ's sake.
Yeah, but he knows how to mindlessly chant that stupid "tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut" mantra that Republicans think constitutes the entirety of responsible governance, he knows how to open his mouth without making you wonder how he graduated grade school (sorry Sarah Palin, but most people want that ability), and he hasn't been fucking around on his wife. That makes him eminently qualified.
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This is just another bullshit article from POLITICO. They love to invent their own stories where none exist and challenge the AP for the title of "Most Misleading Ledes". Move along folks, nothing to see here.
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Sounds like it'll ALL be 'Scarborough Country'.
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Petraeus isn't a bad guy at all, but he's repeatedly made it clear that he really doesn't have an interest in politics or running for president. That may change or have been bullshit from the start, but I don't see a run as likely. The Republicans really don't have any big important names to run in '12. I expect we may see a repeat of '84 in the Republican primaries: a bunch of no-names and second-stringers running since none of the real stars want to ruin their future careers by losing in '12 when they'll have a good shot in '16.
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The Original Nex wrote:This is just another bullshit article from POLITICO. They love to invent their own stories where none exist and challenge the AP for the title of "Most Misleading Ledes". Move along folks, nothing to see here.
Yeah, it was Politico that recently announced the resurgence of the GOP.
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Darth Wong wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:Scarborough isn't nearly crazy enough to win the GOP nomination... he's on MSNBC, for Christ's sake.
Yeah, but he knows how to mindlessly chant that stupid "tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut" mantra that Republicans think constitutes the entirety of responsible governance, he knows how to open his mouth without making you wonder how he graduated grade school (sorry Sarah Palin, but most people want that ability), and he hasn't been fucking around on his wife. That makes him eminently qualified.
In a general election, absolutely. In the Republican primaries, however, the mere fact that he's on LIBERAL MSNBC would guarantee he would lose. Plus, I'm fairly sure he didn't question Obama's birth certificate and he doesn't screech about death panels, socialism, or other right wing idiocies on his show.
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Mitch Daniels is an interesting choice. However, he'd face the same national problem that any solid, fiscally conservative, centrist politician like him would face: the religious right. How are any of these guys going to win without firing up the religious right's grassroots networking? The Republican party has itself in a bind: any politician crazy enough to get the religious vote won't be able to pull the center from Obama, and any politican able to challenge Obama in the center won't be able to hold down the base.
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The solution is probably going to be 2008 or 8002: Palin, Huckbee, or other religious wingnut as VP or as nominee, with a right-pandering but mostly sane nominee in the other slot.

I'm dearly hoping for a Palin 2008 ticket, but that's because it'd be a cakewalk unless the economy tanks to 15% unemployment and mexico invades the south and because it'd be hillarious.
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Coincidentally, Glenn Greenwald today briefly discussed the Politico story as part of an entry on his blog titled "Various Items":
Politico's Mike Allen is a frequent guest on MSNBC's Morning Joe, where his "Playbook" column is promoted. Today, Allen published a lead story in Politico "reporting" that Joe Scarborough -- the host of that program -- is a serious leading candidate for the GOP presidential nomination. Seriously. I think it's safe to assume that Mike Allen's spot on Morning Joe is secure for the foreseeable future, but how desperate must one be to get on TV to be willing to write an article claiming that?

This article is also yet another installment in the seemingly weekly Politico series claiming the GOP is resurgent (to be led by 2012 presidential nominee Joe Scarborough). According to the Politico article, the GOP has an excellent chance to defeat Obama in 2012, and one of its "sources" for this claim is Liz Cheney, who explains that Americans are realizing that the GOP is more trustworthy than Democrats on the economy and national security. That's what they call "reporting" -- calling up Liz Cheney and building an article around her surprising and informative prediction that the GOP is resurgent. The one thing I will say for Politico is that whenever one thinks they can't get any more absurd and attention-desperate, they prove you wrong.
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I would hope that Petraeus has alot more sense than to try to become the next Eisenhower in this day and age, particularly when running against his current boss. I think he's stated that he has absolutely no political ambition and I don't blame him. Given how central he is to the current Iraq war, it wouldn't be sensible to try to make a presidental run, no matter how much wishful thinking that some people have that a war hero is right to beat Obama in the next election.

As for Joe Scarborough... really? Really? Is the barrel of candidates that scraped that someone floated Joe Scarborough's name?
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Scarborough won't run for public office again. If he did, two words would pretty much finish him:

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Or his pro bono work for Michael Griffin, who murdered an abortion doctor. It was the notoriety from this case that kicked off Scarborough's career in the first place.
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Mitch Daniels fucked with my clock. Three times. Just for that, I'm never voting for the man on anything. :razz:

As for the rest of it, the election is three years off; I don't know what Politico's thinking trying to call it now, but all they can have at this point, even were they the most reputable news organization in the world, is speculation.
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Rogue 9 wrote:I don't know what Politico's thinking trying to call it now
Web traffic and reporter interviews on cable. Basically these articles are publicity stunts for POLITICO.
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Petraeus will probably still be busy come 2012. Too bad we can't clone him.
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Gil Hamilton wrote:I would hope that Petraeus has alot more sense than to try to become the next Eisenhower in this day and age, particularly when running against his current boss. I think he's stated that he has absolutely no political ambition and I don't blame him. Given how central he is to the current Iraq war, it wouldn't be sensible to try to make a presidental run, no matter how much wishful thinking that some people have that a war hero is right to beat Obama in the next election.

As for Joe Scarborough... really? Really? Is the barrel of candidates that scraped that someone floated Joe Scarborough's name?
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Rogue 9 wrote:Mitch Daniels fucked with my clock. Three times. Just for that, I'm never voting for the man on anything. :razz:

As for the rest of it, the election is three years off; I don't know what Politico's thinking trying to call it now, but all they can have at this point, even were they the most reputable news organization in the world, is speculation.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:
Gil Hamilton wrote:I would hope that Petraeus has alot more sense than to try to become the next Eisenhower in this day and age, particularly when running against his current boss. I think he's stated that he has absolutely no political ambition and I don't blame him. Given how central he is to the current Iraq war, it wouldn't be sensible to try to make a presidental run, no matter how much wishful thinking that some people have that a war hero is right to beat Obama in the next election.

As for Joe Scarborough... really? Really? Is the barrel of candidates that scraped that someone floated Joe Scarborough's name?
Gil, In a world where Curt Schilling (yes Curt Schilling from the Boston Red Sox) is seriously exploring his options regarding a run as a Republican for Ted Kennedy's senate seat,anything is possible.
I think it's more like HE was seriously explored by local repub politicos desperate for a big name candidate and he entertained the thought. He will/already has decided that he's better off being remembered as a Red Sox hero than a GOP sacrificial lamb for Teds seat.
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Duckie wrote:The solution is probably going to be 2008 or 8002: Palin, Huckbee, or other religious wingnut as VP or as nominee, with a right-pandering but mostly sane nominee in the other slot.

I'm dearly hoping for a Palin 2008 ticket, but that's because it'd be a cakewalk unless the economy tanks to 15% unemployment and mexico invades the south and because it'd be hillarious.
Not me. However unlikely, there's always the tiny chance she'd win, and we'd all be so very, very fucked then.

Then again, how many prominent potential campaigners are that much better?

Either way though, my money is on Romney. This presumes that Palin and Huckabee split the far Religious Right vote (as Romeny and Huckabee split it last time around), giving Romney the nomination. Obama then goes on to kick Romney's sorry, incompetant ass (hopefully).
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Frankly I wouldn't be surrpised if the GOP mounts a credible challenge in 2012. Somehow I don't see the same legions of progressive fans that elected him the first time round coming out in droves to relect him so that he can continue give reacharounds to his corporate masters like he's doing now.

I wouldn't be surprised if his botched 'health care reform' initiative sinks him, and it'd be well deserved.
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Is Petraeus even a Republican? I've never seen mention of his political alignment, and assuming that he'll agree to hoist the GOP banner just because he's a four-star is stupid.
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