And of course my conservative friend's comments on the matter
Hitler and Obama are starting to have a lot in common... Everyone needs to keep their children home on Tuesday and read the constitution. We are well on our way to a dictatorship people. The passive political correctness must end or we may never see the America our founding fathers and many others have fought and died for. He wants control of health care, retirement, education, the internet and more...
Let me get this straight... Obama thinks he is more important than the founding fathers... Most students in America don't have a clue about the founding fathers, the ones who made this country. Yet some socialist president wants American children to spend time learning about him.
Take all of the political correctness out of text books first so that people will learn the truth and make up their own opinions about people.
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Obama is teaching children to pledge their allegiance and loyalty to their party over all other considerations? To love their nation and adore it above all others? To never question American actions? To report and ridicule disloyalty to the party and the country?
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Yep, when I go back to work next week I'll be sure that my kids are writing those letters demonizing the opponents of Obama's Health Care goals. I have a whole plan-book full of lessons preaching Obama's awesomeness.
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A school principal has apologized for showing a video at an assembly that a politically conservative group leader is calling "radical, leftist propaganda."
Children at Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington were shown a short video called "I pledge" on Aug. 28. The video opens with an image of President Barack Obama and part of a speech in which he says, "Let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other." The video then features celebrities making pledges about how they will help the president and the world -- and that's where some say the problem lies.
Many pledges, such as supporting local food banks,
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smiling more, and caring for the elderly are noncontroversial. But other pledges, such as "to never give anyone the finger when I'm driving again," "to sell my obnoxious car and buy a hybrid" and to advance stem cell research cross the line, some say.
"Showing the video in a public school is completely inappropriate," said Jennifer Cieslewicz, whose daughter is a first-grader at the school. "I don't believe a video such as this that promotes certain values should be shown to elementary students, especially without parents being aware. "
Chris Williams, Davis School District spokesman, said school principal Ofelia Wade and school PTA leaders decided to show the video as part of an assembly about the school's theme for the year, service. He said the PTA board chose the video and Wade did not see it before it was shown in the assembly.
"It got to a point where she turned to her assistant and said, 'Oops, I wish I would have seen this before. I don't think I would have shown it,' " Williams said. He said Wade could see how some adults might find the video political.
"She acknowledges she was wrong and apologizes for it and says she's sorry," Williams said. Attempts to reach school PTA leaders Tuesday
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Williams said Wade plans to send a letter home to parents Wednesday about the issue.
Gayle Ruzicka, president of conservative Utah Eagle Forum, said the video was blatantly political. She said other offensive pledges included, "I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama," "I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica," and pledges to not use plastic grocery bags and not flush the toilet after urinating.
"It's very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children," Ruzicka said. "If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it's not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it."
Cieslewicz said such values should be decided in the home, not at school.
"They shouldn't be troubling our youth with the woes of the world and making them feel like we're in slavery or they have to worry about how many times they flush the toilet or if they have a plastic water bottle," Cieslewicz said, referring to pledges in the video to "end slavery."
Ruzicka said she contacted local media about the video after receiving complaints from several parents. Ruzicka said she worried the video's messages would confuse children whose parents might choose to use plastic bags when shopping or who want their children to flush the toilet after every use. Also she said she didn't like a pledge "to be of service to Barack Obama" as he is here to serve Americans, not the other way around.
Ruzicka said she'd like to see the school district send a link to the video to all parents before an upcoming back-to-school night so they can voice their opinions and discuss it with their children. Williams said it's unlikely the district will send out a link, but parents are welcome to access the video on YouTube.
Considering the pasting congressional Democrats have taken from their constituents and Obama's above-the-fray vacationing, I'd be seriously surprised if he said anything controversial in his addresses to teh kidz.
This seems to me to be more an issue of overreaction based on ignorance of the topic and pre-speech advisories from the WH to read books about the Presidents and about Obama, than any knowledge of his subject matter re 'indoctrination.'
The outlier, and curiosity, is that we know the President's talking points for his address to Congress next Wednesday, but we don't know what he plans to say to our kids on Tuesday. That uncertainty, IMO, is a large part of the controversy; one that could be easily remediated by the White House if they just published the planned talking points for Tuesday's speeches.
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I understand how people are bothered by the fact that Obama's on the left of American politics, but he is the PRESIDENT, and as such we should expect/hope that he would appear in stuff to help further kids' education.
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^ Indeed. This strikes me as an extension of GWB's reading a children's book in a Sarasota elementary school on Sept. 11, 2001. Thanks to teh InterGoreWebs, the President can speak to thousands of classrooms.
There's nothing intrinsically bad about the notion, and in 2001 few people knew what Bush would be doing/reading in a school visit. But it's not 2001, and President Obama's staff are doing him a disservice by NOT publishing his planned talking points/theme of his presentations.
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Found this in the Arizona Rpeublic htis morning by our local Cartoonist... I think it sums things up nicely.
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Tons of celebrities making vague commitments that they will in no way be held accountable to and more than likely be utterly hypocritical in the following of their pledges as a good number of them are just idiotic douchebags thinking they are making a difference.
Puffy is going to turn the lights off? Hey, instead of that how about working to eliminate the gangster sub-culture that is consistently fomenting an anti-education environment in african american society? Shit, definitely more important to turn some lights off and swim in my bathtub full of gold that I have made by exploiting racial stereotypes.
Celebrities telling me what I should be doing is retarded. Listen to me and things I will more than likely not do but I'll look good saying them!
If they were showing this movie to my kid (which they are not, as I understand it will be a live speech by Obama, my best guess is he is trying to capture the Kennedy era motivation of the youth which can be good or bad, if nothing else it might get more interested in the process) I would yank him out in a heartbeat as it is meaningless claptrap.
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That's right, Krauser, celebrities should never ever voice political opinions or be involved in the political process. Instead, we should listen to Ronald Reagan, right?
However, I do have to ask; what's wrong with celebrities asking people to do sensible things? I mean, what is actually wrong with a public service announcement asking children to turn out lights when they aren't using them? I know energy conservation may "make you want to vomit", but what's wrong with it?
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Surlethe wrote:Obama is teaching children to pledge their allegiance and loyalty to their party over all other considerations? To love their nation and adore it above all others? To never question American actions? To report and ridicule disloyalty to the party and the country?
No, that's the Conservatives, it seems.
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Gil Hamilton wrote:That's right, Krauser, celebrities should never ever voice political opinions or be involved in the political process. Instead, we should listen to Ronald Reagan, right?
However, I do have to ask; what's wrong with celebrities asking people to do sensible things? I mean, what is actually wrong with a public service announcement asking children to turn out lights when they aren't using them? I know energy conservation may "make you want to vomit", but what's wrong with it?
Indeed. I'm constantly yelling/pleading with my kids to turn their lights off in the day time; if their loved musician or actor can convince them to do it....Yahoo! That said, I wouldn't hold up much hope of kids actually listening and acting on the information. There is a difference; however, such as the Madonna thread, where if you pay to watch a musician or actor do their thing, not wanting to be preached at, and using a role model that is a musician or actor to deliver common sense apolitical messages you hope the kids pick up on.
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But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
I will say this. I would pledge allegiance to the Funk, to the United Funk of Funkedelica, in a heart beat. That's the best damn comedic line to come out of a serious article in a good long while.
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