Vong? Who needs Vong when you can rip off franchises...

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 04:56am

Vong are a interesting concept, by attitude and character development.

They, however, are not very unique in the terms of bio technology.

Nor are the YV-01 Anti-Vong battle droids very original either... (can we say... rip off of Terminator T-101's?)

At any rate...

Borg Vs Vong?

Borg win. It'll be fanatics vs fanatics. Iron will vs iron will. Borg have allready faced a superior biological force allready and have been able to assimilate them, to a degree (Species 8472). The Vong could go it short term, but never long term. As it is, the Vong can be a good comparison to the WW2 German campaign in Russia, only they have no home to go back to. Their drive will be short lived, while the Borg can keep coming...

And coming

and coming...

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 05:01am

And I just realized I made new thread, instead of replying to the allready Vong vs Borg thread. *slaps forehead* bah, cue to go to sleep I think.

I'll bother with the signature tag later anyway... bleh.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-02-10 09:31am

When were the Borg able to assimilate Species 8472? The Borg were only able to beat them after Voyager's crew created the nanoprobe weapon. Until then, the Borg were getting their butts kicked!

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-10 12:21pm

The borg never assimilated S8472 ya ignorant newbie.

*NUCLEAR FUSION POWERED POKE*

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2003-02-10 12:54pm

Helm wrote:Vong are a interesting concept, by attitude and character development.

They, however, are not very unique in the terms of bio technology.

So?

Nor are the YV-01 Anti-Vong battle droids very original either... (can we say... rip off of Terminator T-101's?)

I've never seen a picture.

At any rate...

Borg Vs Vong?

Borg win. It'll be fanatics vs fanatics. Iron will vs iron will. Borg have allready faced a superior biological force allready and have been able to assimilate them, to a degree (Species 8472). The Vong could go it short term, but never long term. As it is, the Vong can be a good comparison to the WW2 German campaign in Russia, only they have no home to go back to. Their drive will be short lived, while the Borg can keep coming...

And coming

and coming...

Um, the Vong can hack, slash, and blast their way through SW tech. The Borg really have no chance.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-10 04:03pm

Helm wrote:Vong are a interesting concept, by attitude and character development.

They, however, are not very unique in the terms of bio technology.

Prove it. Dovin Bassel, Anphistaffs, etc are unique.

Nor are the YV-01 Anti-Vong battle droids very original either... (can we say... rip off of Terminator T-101's?)

1. IG-88 appeared before Terminator.
2. YV-01 are COMPLETELY different from T-101s.

At any rate...

Borg Vs Vong?

Borg win. It'll be fanatics vs fanatics. Iron will vs iron will. Borg have allready faced a superior biological force allready and have been able to assimilate them, to a degree (Species 8472).

Wrong. The Borg got their asses kicked every step of the war. Only Voyager may S8472 retreat. The Borg have no victories against them.

The Vong could go it short term, but never long term. As it is, the Vong can be a good comparison to the WW2 German campaign in Russia, only they have no home to go back to. Their drive will be short lived, while the Borg can keep coming...

And coming

and coming...

Ahem. The Vong traveled probably for hundreads of years at hyperspace before they attacked. And within 4 years they controled a large portion of the galaxy.

The Borg, on the other hand, managed a wopping 2 attacks with 1 cube each over ten years against an opponent right beside the borg in comparison to the YV/NR.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2003-02-10 04:28pm

Not to mention the Borg's total lack of any tactical ability makes them an easy opponent for the Vong. Shit, can you imagine what the vong would even THINK of the borg? They'd go berzerk!

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 05:05pm

Look what I started. I apologize

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 05:07pm

Darth Servo wrote:The borg never assimilated S8472 ya ignorant newbie.

*NUCLEAR FUSION POWERED POKE*

*given the nuclear fusion powered poke... and dies*

I believe the nano probes could assimilate indviduals, but destroy ships. Voyager episode in Season 5 "In The Flesh" is a good reference.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-10 05:11pm

Helm wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:The borg never assimilated S8472 ya ignorant newbie.

*NUCLEAR FUSION POWERED POKE*
*given the nuclear fusion powered poke... and dies*

I believe the nano probes could assimilate indviduals, but destroy ships. Voyager episode in Season 5 "In The Flesh" is a good reference.

And Voyager never gave the Borg the nano-probes.

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 05:16pm

*thinks* that's a good point. Even though the Borg did work with them to develope it in the later stages... hrm.

Well I do know in the Voyager episode "In The Flesh" in season 5 that the Species 8472 that was imitating Boothby, when Janeway and him were discussiong technology exchanges, that he wanted to know more about them to better counteract the borg because they scared the hell out of them. I'm pretty sure about that... but I could always be wrong. I'm wrong alot today

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-10 05:28pm

The Borg would probably catch a few of the scouts and learn their weaknesses. Then the Vong would be up shit creek. The invasion of Borg space stops right afer the first salvo from the Borg impacts.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-02-11 05:52am

Helm wrote:*thinks* that's a good point. Even though the Borg did work with them to develope it in the later stages... hrm.

Well I do know in the Voyager episode "In The Flesh" in season 5 that the Species 8472 that was imitating Boothby, when Janeway and him were discussiong technology exchanges, that he wanted to know more about them to better counteract the borg because they scared the hell out of them. I'm pretty sure about that... but I could always be wrong. I'm wrong alot today

I think he only wanted the NP tech because it scared the hell out of him, he never mentioned the Borg

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2003-02-11 07:17am

Admiral Johnason wrote:The Borg would probably catch a few of the scouts and learn their weaknesses. Then the Vong would be up shit creek. The invasion of Borg space stops right afer the first salvo from the Borg impacts.

Yes! The Borg can adapt to anything after getting a handful of loses, just like they did in ST Voyager's "Scorpion" double episode!

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2003-02-11 08:08am

Lord of the Farce wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:The Borg would probably catch a few of the scouts and learn their weaknesses. Then the Vong would be up shit creek. The invasion of Borg space stops right afer the first salvo from the Borg impacts.
Yes! The Borg can adapt to anything after getting a handful of loses, just like they did in ST Voyager's "Scorpion" double episode!

The Vong are shooting rocks and plasma. How can they adapt to that?
Vong weapons arent phase based like trek weapons. The Borg cant adapt to that stuff.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-11 08:18am

Admiral Drason wrote:
Lord of the Farce wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:The Borg would probably catch a few of the scouts and learn their weaknesses. Then the Vong would be up shit creek. The invasion of Borg space stops right afer the first salvo from the Borg impacts.
Yes! The Borg can adapt to anything after getting a handful of loses, just like they did in ST Voyager's "Scorpion" double episode!
The Vong are shooting rocks and plasma. How can they adapt to that?
Vong weapons arent phase based like trek weapons. The Borg cant adapt to that stuff.

Exactly. SW weapons don't have this frequency weakness, and can't be adapted to. And the Borg SO adapted to knives, phasers and torpedoes in FC.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-02-11 11:31am

I'm not familiar with the Vong, but if I assume they can stand toe to toe with the New Republic, then they should be able to ass rape the Borg with ease. All of this "Borg will adapt" bullshit is in fact bullshit.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-11 12:49pm

Lord of the Farce wrote:Yes! The Borg can adapt to anything after getting a handful of loses, just like they did in ST Voyager's "Scorpion" double episode!

Precisely when did the borg ever adapt to S8472 weapons?

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-02-11 01:21pm

Darth Servo wrote:Precisely when did the borg ever adapt to S8472 weapons?

[Spock]I believe he is using sarcasm captain[/Spock]

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-11 01:27pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:[Spock]I believe he is using sarcasm captain[/Spock]

Its hard to sense emotions when all you have is typed words.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-11 01:39pm

Helm wrote:*thinks* that's a good point. Even though the Borg did work with them to develope it in the later stages... hrm.

Well I do know in the Voyager episode "In The Flesh" in season 5 that the Species 8472 that was imitating Boothby, when Janeway and him were discussiong technology exchanges, that he wanted to know more about them to better counteract the borg because they scared the hell out of them. I'm pretty sure about that... but I could always be wrong. I'm wrong alot today

This only indicates S8472's pathetic depths of cowardice. They have massively superior weapons and they're terrified of the Borg because they might have weapons which can kill their ships. Can you imagine if the US Army was cowering under their bunks because of the possibility that enemy bullets might be able to kill them?

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-11 04:01pm

Well, then the borg are goin to die in a very quick way.

xianseeker · Post by **xianseeker** » 2003-02-11 04:13pm

The Vong are shooting rocks and plasma. How can they adapt to that?
Vong weapons arent phase based like trek weapons. The Borg cant adapt to that stuff.

I don't know that the borg ever faced something like a projectile weapon (rock), but adapting to it shouldn't be difficult. As soon as the weapon was shot, one or two would get through before the borg got finished analyzing it. After that it would be a simple matter of a force shield against the vector of the rock.

And since plasma is simply highly ionized gas, a field that would cause the atoms and free electrons to become stable would stop plasma weapons.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-11 04:19pm

xianseeker wrote:
The Vong are shooting rocks and plasma. How can they adapt to that?
Vong weapons arent phase based like trek weapons. The Borg cant adapt to that stuff.
I don't know that the borg ever faced something like a projectile weapon (rock), but adapting to it shouldn't be difficult. As soon as the weapon was shot, one or two would get through before the borg got finished analyzing it. After that it would be a simple matter of a force shield against the vector of the rock.

And since plasma is simply highly ionized gas, a field that would cause the atoms and free electrons to become stable would stop plasma weapons.

Funny how in FC, Worf was able to kill one with a blade, and Picard did the same with a Tommy Gun.

xianseeker · Post by **xianseeker** » 2003-02-11 04:26pm

Funny how in FC, Worf was able to kill one with a blade, and Picard did the same with a Tommy Gun.

Thanks, I didn't remember those. But how long did those examples last. From what I remember (and it's been a long time since I've seen FC), Picard killed a few in the holodeck before they could adapt. Ditto for Worf. Besides, it stretches the imagination to think that the Borg are incapable to adapt to projectile weapons. All it would take is a force field.

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