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For more than a decade, the nation's payday lenders have battled the perception that they operate on the shadowy "fringe" of the mainstream financial system, outside the long reach of government regulators and rules dictating prudent lending.

Now, payday lenders have a powerful new ally in their quest for respectability: big banks.

A few of the nation's largest banks -- including Minneapolis-based U.S. Bancorp, Wells Fargo & Co. of San Francisco, and Fifth Third Bancorp of Cincinnati -- are now marketing payday loan-type products, with triple-digit interest rates, to their checking account customers.

Despite a chorus of protest from national consumer groups, which accuse national banks of skirting state laws that limit outrageous interest rates, the banks are in a strong position to steal a big chunk of the $35 billion-a-year payday lending market -- with its estimated $7.3 billion in fees from borrowers, say industry analysts.

Fees on the new bank products may seem punitive to some, but they are about half of what is offered at traditional payday lending outlets. Increased competition may lower those fees even more, some analysts believe.

"Despite the fact that the rates may appear mind-blowing to some, people need small-dollar loans like this -- especially now," said Richard Bove, a bank analyst at Rochdale Securities.

Indeed, throughout the recession, major credit-card issuers have been cutting limits while hiking rates and late-payment fees on riskier customers, which have made the cards less affordable. In some cases, card companies have eliminated lines of credit altogether.

Longer term, the impact of the big banks' entry into the payday lending arena could be more far-reaching. Some analysts argue it could finally vault a controversial product into the financial mainstream. It's a major reason why representatives of the payday lending industry are embracing their new bank rivals -- on the hope they will help to popularize payday loans and make them appear less unsavory to millions of potential borrowers.

"We think it legitimizes the product and makes it more mainstream," said Lyndsey Medsker, a spokesperson for the Community Financial Services Association of America, an Arlington, Va.-based trade group for payday lenders.

For people struggling to make ends meet, the bank loans may prove a more affordable alternative to traditional payday lending outlets. All three banks charge $10 per $100 borrowed, which translates into a 120 percent annual interest rate if borrowers pay off the loans in a month. Though that may seem steep, it's much lower than storefront payday lenders that charge an average of $17 per $100 borrowed -- an annual rate of about 200 percent.

"All I can say is, 'hallelujah!'" exclaimed Tony Plath, a finance professor at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. "This increases access to loans at the lower end of the market precisely when people need it most. And it brings competition to a market that badly needs it."

'Stay the hell away'

All three banks declined to disclose financial data on the products, including how many people have signed up for them, making it difficult to gauge how popular they are."

Still, groups like the Consumer Federation of America have accused the banks of using their national bank charters to avoid state usury laws. More than 30 states have usury laws on their books capping rates on many consumer loans at 25 to 60 percent; in some cases, these laws were written in response to complaints about payday lenders. But usury laws only apply to state-chartered lenders; and U.S. Bancorp, Wells Fargo and Fifth Third all have national charters.

"To me, it seems galling that these institutions that receive so much support from the taxpayer and the U.S. government happen to operate under a weaker consumer protection regime" when it comes to payday lending, said Christopher Peterson, a law professor at the University of Utah and author of "Taming the Sharks," a book on abusive lending practices. "It's a matter of time before regulators catch on to this."

The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC), the federal agency that regulates nationally chartered banks, has already signaled its opposition to banks entering the payday lending arena.

In 2003, at a news conference, John Hawke Jr., former head of the OCC, ordered them to "stay the hell away" from the national banking system, after they began partnering with banks in order to sidestep state usury laws. The agency argued that payday lending programs posed a "reputation risk" to banks because of their high fees, and ordered the banks to stop the practice. The Federal Reserve shared the OCC's position.

OCC spokesman Kevin Mukri said he was not aware of any national banks offering payday loans. "No [national banks], so far as I know, are using them, since Comptroller Hawke came down on these things," he said. He declined to look at the products of the three banks.

"Our hope is that once these products come to the attention of the OCC, and they will act accordingly and put rules in place," said Uriah King, a senior policy associate at the Center for Responsible Lending, a nonprofit group in Durham, N.C., that advocates on behalf of borrowers.

The products are not entirely new. Wells Fargo introduced its Direct Deposit Advance product -- in which loans of up to $500 are deposited directly into a customer's account and then paid off automatically when a direct deposit is made -- since 1994. And U.S. Bancorp rolled out its product in March 2006.

Yet, several industry analysts who follow payday lenders say the banks are marketing the programs more aggressively to their customers. Both U.S. Bancorp and Wells Fargo tout the products on their websites as well as in the glossy brochures they hand out to customers opening new checking accounts.


The marketing could be a response, some argue, to recent efforts by federal regulators and Congress to limit bank fees, particularly overdraft charges. "They're trying to squeeze as many fees out of their customer base as they can while they can," said John Hecht, a financial services analyst with JMP Securities in San Francisco. "They're just trying to be capitalistic."

The same, but different

For their part, the banks have been careful to distinguish their products, including eschewing the term "payday" as they market them. And they emphasize their differences with payday lenders.

"We inform our customers that this is an expensive form of credit not intended to solve longer-term financial needs," wrote Wells Fargo spokeswoman Peggy Gunn in an e-mailed response to questions. "It is designed to help customers get through an emergency situation -- medical emergencies, a car repair, emergency travel expenses, etc. -- by providing short-term credit quickly."

There are built-in cooling-off periods for borrowers who use the loans repeatedly. And customers can't extend or "roll over" the loans because the amount owed is automatically repaid with the next direct deposit. The banks claim these restrictions make it less likely that borrowers will fall into the same sort of ruinous debt cycle that has been associated with payday lenders.

Industry analysts say the risk of default for the banks is minimal, since borrowers who sign up for the loans agree to give the banks first dibs on their next direct deposit of $100 or more. Most payday lenders, by contrast, must still rely on customers showing up with a check in hand.

"They get to charge a 120 percent interest rate on what is essentially a risk-free loan," Bove said. "It shouldn't be a mystery why banks are doing this."
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SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) - Wall Street is developing a product that packages life-insurance policies into investable bonds, and the plan already is generating controversy, according to a media report Sunday.

Investment banks expect to buy life insurance policies that ill and elderly people sell for cash, then package hundreds or thousands of them into bonds. Institutional and other buyers would be the primary buyers of these bonds, receiving a payout when people with the insurance die, the New York Times reported in its online edition.

With $26 trillion of life insurance policies in force in the U.S., the market for these "life settlements" bonds could be immense, the Times said.

Investment banks stand to profit from the creation, sale and trading of the bonds.

Wall Street has been searching for a product to replace the once-lucrative mortgage business, and life settlements policies are being seen as the answer, the Times said.

The article cited industry predictions that the market for the bonds could reach $500 billion. It noted that Credit Suisse Group /quotes/comstock/13*!cs/quotes/nls/cs (CS 53.20, +0.01, +0.02%) , for example, bought a firm that originates life settlements and has dedicated efforts to structuring deals and selling the bonds.

In addition, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. /quotes/comstock/13*!gs/quotes/nls/gs (GS 174.73, -0.14, -0.08%) has developed a tradable index of life settlements, allowing investors to bet on whether people will live longer than expected or die sooner than planned, the Times said, adding that spokesmen for Credit Suisse and Goldman Sachs declined to comment.

The report said that investment banks are following the model used with the packaging of subprime mortgages, which were supposed to be high-quality and less risky, but proved otherwise.

But the Times noted that Standard & Poor's and Moody's, which gave out many triple-A ratings for subprime mortgage securities, are more wary about life settlements bonds.

Yet if its efforts are successful, Wall Street's gain could come at the expense of the insured.

Experts on life settlements told the Times that insurance premiums could rise in the short term if insurers have to pay out more death claims than they had expected.

The article explained that policyholders often let their life insurance lapse before they die, and in that case the insurer does not have to make a payout.

But if a policy is part of a securitized bond, investors continue to pay the premiums. With more policies on the books, insurance companies could make more payouts and less money, the Times report said.
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Man, I don't even want to know how the banks plan to abuse these new products & markets, can you imagine what the life insurance equivalent of a NINJA loan would be?
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Where "free market" means "we'll just rape the taxpayers for $24 trillion when we fuck up".
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Hey if you don't like their corrupt, predatory or unsustainable practices you can just go somewhere else.

Y'know, the OTHER global financial industry. :D
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In addition, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. has developed a tradable index of life settlements, allowing investors to bet on whether people will live longer than expected or die sooner than planned, the Times said, adding that spokesmen for Credit Suisse and Goldman Sachs declined to comment.
Why do I get the feeling they'll be pumping their new product to their customers in one room only to have GS's own traders short it as soon as it's sold? Exactly what they did with their mortgage & loan securities products.

If you thought AIG was ugly, this has the potential to make that $150 billion sinkhole look cheap. I don't know if the government even has enough money to backstop it when it blows up.
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Some people never learn... Do the banks honestly expect a goverment bailout again?
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Invictus ChiKen wrote:Some people never learn... Do the banks honestly expect a goverment bailout again?
Yes... :roll:
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Invictus ChiKen wrote:Some people never learn... Do the banks honestly expect a goverment bailout again?
Do you honestly expect them not to get it again?
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Invictus ChiKen wrote:Some people never learn... Do the banks honestly expect a goverment bailout again?
Ever since the conservatives succeeded in making the "evil corporation" argument into a subject of such mockery that no one takes it seriously, yes. Nowadays whenever you accuse corporations of having no conscience, people just mock you and quote South Park. Nobody stops to ask whether the accusation has merit.
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Hust curious what soth park quote that is?
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ArmorPierce wrote:Hust curious what soth park quote that is?
It's not so much a particular line (although if you want one, watch Alec Baldwin in Team America); it's just that South Park mocks the phrase "evil corporations" a lot in a very mocking tone, by having clueless Hollywood celebrities say it constantly and then have no idea how to back it up.
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Why don't we just make usury legal and have done with it?
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Usury is legal. The federal government does not set usury rates, and allows each state to determine the rates for banks that operate within its borders. At least two states have no usury rate, or such a high one as to not really matter (Utah and Nevada, to my knowledge). This is why almost ever credit card lender is in one of those two states. Delaware is corporate-friendly in other ways, so a few are there, as well. Gotta love states' rights.
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On a more serious note, I wonder what would happen if your life insurance policy got misplaced and lost during the securitization process? A shitload of mortgages got lost when they were packaging them into various securities products and some people are now living free & clear because their mortgage papers disappeared, but I'm not sure how this would work with life insurance. I get the feeling that it's the customer who gets screwed in this case instead of the company, if your papers got lost and you died, then there's no proof that you have a policy, and then your beneficiaries don't get a payout. I bet the banks love this idea, and will be trying their best to misfile everyone's papers.
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I wouldn't say corporations are "evil", with Neoliberalism it is more accurate to say that multinational corporations have been hijacked and abused from the top down, with the executives and major shareholders turning their companies into being top heavy, directionless, and unsustainable institutions, what with the bloated bonuses, outsourcing, declining products/services, mass firings, and sell-offs. Only thinking about the short-term, and not only ignoring the damage their companies are inflicting on society, but don't even care if their companies will collapse within a few years, so long as they make their billions.

Selfish, impulsive governance in the UK has led to Rovers MG going bye bye forever and Cadbury-Schweppes facing a hostile take over. The people running U.S. Bancorp, Wells Fargo & Co., and the Fifth Third Bancorp seem oblivious to the fate of Lehman-Brothers.
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I would not personally say a corporation is evil, for the same reason I would not speak of a predatory animal as evil unless misspeaking- both of them inflict misery on other things for their own gain as a part of their nature. A corporation exists only for profits, that is, they exist to take costs and negative aspects of their business such as pollution and shift them onto others. It does not explicitly set out to be evil like some kind of dark lord of finance- bad behavior is but a side effect of maximum profitability for the corporation.

This of course does not mean that we should let tigers and sharks and bears roam our streets without cages and restraints, nor that we should not cull the population of predators if they threaten humans. The danger in what I've seen of Americans looking at corproations is saying "The tiger does not mean to be evil while it eats, therefore we must let it continue to maul things uncontrolled." or worse, "The tiger is more important than the humans it eats, for the following reasons."
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Big Orange wrote:I wouldn't say corporations are "evil", with Neoliberalism it is more accurate to say that multinational corporations have been hijacked and abused from the top down, with the executives and major shareholders turning their companies into being top heavy, directionless, and unsustainable institutions, what with the bloated bonuses, outsourcing, declining products/services, mass firings, and sell-offs. Only thinking about the short-term, and not only ignoring the damage their companies are inflicting on society, but don't even care if their companies will collapse within a few years, so long as they make their billions.
I agree that "evil" is an oversimplified term, but it almost always is. It's no more inappropriate here than it was when describing the "Axis of Evil" in 2003. The point here is that a corporation has no conscience, save that which an individually powerful owner or CEO might personally impose upon it. There is certainly no intrinsic force giving corporations a conscience, so in effect, we're dealing with entities which should be assumed to be sociopathic until proven otherwise.
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Darth Wong wrote:The point here is that a corporation has no conscience, save that which an individually powerful owner or CEO might personally impose upon it. There is certainly no intrinsic force giving corporations a conscience, so in effect, we're dealing with entities which should be assumed to be sociopathic until proven otherwise.
Ultimately, corporations do what their shareholders (public or private) want them to do. Executives have a lot of control over the fine details, but if they go against shareholder wishes they will be removed. Lack of 'corporate conscience' is largely due to shares being treated as money-making commodities and nothing more. Of course this perception suits rich elites just fine - they don't want ordinary people realising that their equity-based investments entitle them to any kind of say in how corporations are run.
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Wells Fargo's method makes sure they get their money. I've used it once and its an elegant little system. You either call up or long in, you have to have an account to make use of it. They charge you 20$ for every 100$ and you have to have had a history of direct deposit and a coming direct deposit in the next 30 Days. That way unlike normal pay day loans where you can keep extending out, WF gets their money in a months time as soon as that next direct deposit hits.

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Darth Wong wrote: I agree that "evil" is an oversimplified term, but it almost always is. It's no more inappropriate here than it was when describing the "Axis of Evil" in 2003. The point here is that a corporation has no conscience, save that which an individually powerful owner or CEO might personally impose upon it. There is certainly no intrinsic force giving corporations a conscience, so in effect, we're dealing with entities which should be assumed to be sociopathic until proven otherwise.
The same can go for nation states, government agencies, religious orders etc, like corporations they too are impersonal, unfeeling entities that cannot be arrested and prosecuted like a real person, although the accumulation of profit is predatory by nature and is another facet of amassing power that can easily be abused if not kept in check by a third party. Here is an interesting Canadian documentary titled The Corporation, which while histrionic and paranoid in places, is as good an eye opener as any on the damage large companies can do.

I'm surprised at how hamstrung large companies are by their shareholders, with high ranking chairmans or CEOs facing the possibilty of getting ousted by them, although the direct decisions made by chairmans, executives, or lawyers in bad faith and for their own aggrandisement has been responsible for corporations carrying out amoral acts that ignores most social, political, and enviromental ramifications, while having the blessings of many culpable politicians taking their bribes (which is of course happening now with the bloated and ineffectual, but brutal, health insurance providers).

While a company employee, no matter how high, can be ousted by shareholders, the shareholders don't seem to put much thought into where the money is coming from and that could apply to voters as well with government polcies. Also Bush and Cheney were bad businessmen as they were bad politicians...
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aerius wrote:On a more serious note, I wonder what would happen if your life insurance policy got misplaced and lost during the securitization process? A shitload of mortgages got lost when they were packaging them into various securities products and some people are now living free & clear because their mortgage papers disappeared, but I'm not sure how this would work with life insurance. I get the feeling that it's the customer who gets screwed in this case instead of the company, if your papers got lost and you died, then there's no proof that you have a policy, and then your beneficiaries don't get a payout. I bet the banks love this idea, and will be trying their best to misfile everyone's papers.
My life insurance policies are actually physical documents which I possess(well, I keep them in my safe deposit box). My agent told me that these documents trump basically everything, and he suggested that I store them someplace safe and away from my house.

Of course, the real pickle then becomes: who pays when the policy comes due? My insurance agent said that only about 10% of term life insurance policies pay, out, but around 99% of whole life ones do. Who's gonna pay my wife her $100,000+ when I die in 55 years?
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