I just wonder this because I missed a mini-series on this weekend called "Second Coming" where it's basically about Christ appearing again on Earth in 2003 in the form of a man in England (I forget the actor's name ) and he finally shows himself up as Jesus.
The world goes mad from what I can tell and it's like Armageddon or something. Y'know, nice panic stuff.
So, what if he did come back, was the son of God (thus proving a God existed as the Bible said) and he actually had proof of this e.g. turning of water to wine, walking on water blah, blah...
Admiral Valdemar wrote:What if Jesus came as in the Second Coming?
That presupposes that he had a first coming.
Admiral Valdemar wrote:I just wonder this because I missed a mini-series on this weekend called "Second Coming" where it's basically about Christ appearing again on Earth in 2003 in the form of a man in England (I forget the actor's name ) and he finally shows himself up as Jesus.
The world goes mad from what I can tell and it's like Armageddon or something. Y'know, nice panic stuff.
So, what if he did come back, was the son of God (thus proving a God existed as the Bible said) and he actually had proof of this e.g. turning of water to wine, walking on water blah, blah...
Just curious what your reaction would be.
I'd start looking for the same sort of tricks that David Copperfield used to make the Statue of Liberty disappear.
I'd consider Odin just as likely to appear in front of me and warn me of the coming of Ragnarok.
But to answer your question directly: if I saw incontrovertible proof that Jesus Christ himself came to earth, was really who he claimed to be and could work actual, no shit miracles, it's impossible to say what my reaction would be. As an atheist who has examined the claims of the Bible and found that Christianity simply does not hold up under rational scrutiny, the whole thing goes against my core beliefs. It would be such a colossal upset to my whole worldview that I honestly can't tell you just what my reaction would be.
DocHorror wrote:Hmmmm....personally (if it truly was Jesus & not just a loon escaped from the thorozine ward) Id probably convert back to Cristianity pretty sharpish.
Lol, my thoughts at first too, this ain't a happy God we have to remember, the guy has no qualms in smiting women and children letalone atheists.
I can't imagine how the world would change though, maybe even fanatical muslims etc. may stop bombing the shit out of people and reconsider their allegiance.
I was debating wether or not to open a thread like this.
Suppose He does come back and proves He is in fact Jesus Returned.
Also suppose that Revelations is fulfilled and "every knee shall bend, recognizing Him as Lord" or some such.
Does the Pope, ArchBishop of Cantebury, etc. simply resign? Nation-State governments Adjourn?
Does JCII simply assume the role of Emporer of Planet Earth?
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:What if Jesus came as in the Second Coming?
I just wonder this because I missed a mini-series on this weekend called "Second Coming" where it's basically about Christ appearing again on Earth in 2003 in the form of a man in England (I forget the actor's name ) and he finally shows himself up as Jesus.
The world goes mad from what I can tell and it's like Armageddon or something. Y'know, nice panic stuff.
So, what if he did come back, was the son of God (thus proving a God existed as the Bible said) and he actually had proof of this e.g. turning of water to wine, walking on water blah, blah...
Just curious what your reaction would be.
Biblical passages follow:
1Thes 4:16-18
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
18 Therefore encourage each other with these words.
(NIV)
Here is an informative site (I've not yet had time to peruse it for accuracy, but Biblical references are listed): http://www.ncinter.net/~ejt/
Additionally, the Bible says that not even the angels in Heaven know the day of Christ's return. Biblical passages lead me to believe that noone will miss Christ's return -- it will be all too obvious...
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Perhaps he's a Vorlon. How would we, humans of 2003, be able to tell that the "miracles" are genuine, and not some super quantom technological tricks? Perhaps it's not the Bible that was verifed, but JMS.
The most basic assumption about the world is that it does not contradict itself.
I would ask him whether he seriously intends to torture every non-Christian forever, as the "true believers" say. If he says no, I would tell him that there are an awful lot of people who have been spreading shit about his intentions for about two thousand years. If he says yes, I would debate the morality of his intentions with him.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Just curious what your reaction would be.
Well the day I actualy belief that Jesus is coming I will have gone insane and I doubt that my actions would be very rational at that moment. I do hope that I will have enough good sense left to seek out profesional help (a psychiatrist) or that my friends would send me to one, I'd really hate to be a loon.
BTW Jesus believed that he would return soon (with in the life time of his listeners). See Matthew 16:28, 23:36, 24:34 and Mark 9:1, 13:30, 14:62. John believed that the things he was writing about in the Revelation were coming soon. See Revelations 1:1, 1:3, 3:11, 22:7, 22:12 and 22:20. Paul also believed that the end is at hand, Paul 1:7-8, 7:29, 10:11 and many others.
LOL, it would indeed seem that no one, not even jesus, knows when the world will end.
Ofcourse Ecclesiastes 1:4 says "the earth abideth for ever.". So am I to take that that the end isn't coming at all.
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Darth Wong wrote:I would ask him whether he seriously intends to torture every non-Christian forever, as the "true believers" say. If he says no, I would tell him that there are an awful lot of people who have been spreading shit about his intentions for about two thousand years. If he says yes, I would debate the morality of his intentions with him.
ahaha i feel somehow safe now, lord wong will of course out-debate jesus if he comes within our lifetime
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Darth Wong wrote:I would ask him whether he seriously intends to torture every non-Christian forever, as the "true believers" say. If he says no, I would tell him that there are an awful lot of people who have been spreading shit about his intentions for about two thousand years. If he says yes, I would debate the morality of his intentions with him.
Damn, I'd pay good money to see that debate!
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When jesus returns he will have a sword sticking out of his mouth (Revelations 1:16) and if you do not repent quickly jesus will fight you with the sword that he has in his mouth (Revelations 2:16).
Doesn't really sound like he is going to subject himself to a rational debate with someone...besides talking might be a bit tough with a sword in your mouth.
Sir Sirius wrote:When jesus returns he will have a sword sticking out of his mouth (Revelations 1:16) and if you do not repent quickly jesus will fight you with the sword that he has in his mouth (Revelations 2:16).
Then he will discover to his chagrin that the 12 gauge shotgun is a tactically superior weapon to a sword sticking out of your mouth.
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Darth Wong, I don't know if you've watched "Stigmata" or not, but I'd continue that and follow up with, "Did you mean for churches to be built for your worship?"
Suppose Jesus comes back, Mohammed descends from heaven abd teh Buddha appears. They are each what they say they are and that their God is the true God, in teh case of Buddha, he has the true answers. Whoch religion do you choose to follow now having absolute proof that each one truly exists.
BTW I don;t mean to offend any Hindus not knowing how many are on this board please assume that those gods have been proven correct as well.
In other words, given incontrovertable proof that each releigion is valid, which is closest to your heart OR do you simply refuse to believe in any and go on your merry way.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:I should think that talking to Jesus would be pretty cool since he is a hell of a lot more interesting and caring than his supposed father.
Maybe Jesus ain't too happy with the way Christianity turned out.
Admiral Valdemar wrote:I should think that talking to Jesus would be pretty cool since he is a hell of a lot more interesting and caring than his supposed father.
Maybe Jesus ain't too happy with the way Christianity turned out.
Maybe he's scared of it?
Possibly, I know that if I had come by one day and tried to enlighten the world, get killed and have a cult formed after me that suddenly went and did anything they wanted in my name, I'd be kinda apprehensive.
Sir Sirius wrote:When jesus returns he will have a sword sticking out of his mouth (Revelations 1:16) and if you do not repent quickly jesus will fight you with the sword that he has in his mouth (Revelations 2:16).
Then he will discover to his chagrin that the 12 gauge shotgun is a tactically superior weapon to a sword sticking out of your mouth.
Um... based on the premise of the opening thread, I have to point out:
12 ga. shotgun < Omnipotent Being
Still, I will say that if faced with a Cosmic Hippie who was chewin' on a Bowie knife, I'd probably break out the Remington Welcome myself.
Suppose Jesus comes back, Mohammed descends from heaven abd teh Buddha appears. They are each what they say they are and that their God is the true God, in teh case of Buddha, he has the true answers. Whoch religion do you choose to follow now having absolute proof that each one truly exists.
BTW I don;t mean to offend any Hindus not knowing how many are on this board please assume that those gods have been proven correct as well.
In other words, given incontrovertable proof that each releigion is valid, which is closest to your heart OR do you simply refuse to believe in any and go on your merry way.
Asatru for me; it'd be like an entire afterlife of the shit I already do, but with better-looking, more open-minded women.
Suppose Jesus comes back, Mohammed descends from heaven abd teh Buddha appears. They are each what they say they are and that their God is the true God, in teh case of Buddha, he has the true answers. Whoch religion do you choose to follow now having absolute proof that each one truly exists.
BTW I don;t mean to offend any Hindus not knowing how many are on this board please assume that those gods have been proven correct as well.
In other words, given incontrovertable proof that each releigion is valid, which is closest to your heart OR do you simply refuse to believe in any and go on your merry way.
Since all of the religions are simultaneously true, this means that you are bound by the rules of whichever religion you chose to subscribe to. Therefore, Jesus and Mohammed are out. Both of them represent religions where any misstep or disloyalty sentences you to eternal torture. Buddha might be a better solution because you're not necessarily tortured forever if you don't make the big boss happy, but reincarnation is pretty weird. I'd say that you'd be best off trying to start your own cult at that point, since its rules would be true too, and you can simply concoct useful rules like "Beautiful women must give me blowjobs every day".
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
Suppose Jesus comes back, Mohammed descends from heaven abd teh Buddha appears. They are each what they say they are and that their God is the true God, in teh case of Buddha, he has the true answers. Whoch religion do you choose to follow now having absolute proof that each one truly exists.
BTW I don;t mean to offend any Hindus not knowing how many are on this board please assume that those gods have been proven correct as well.
In other words, given incontrovertable proof that each releigion is valid, which is closest to your heart OR do you simply refuse to believe in any and go on your merry way.
Since all of the religions are simultaneously true, this means that you are bound by the rules of whichever religion you chose to subscribe to. Therefore, Jesus and Mohammed are out. Both of them represent religions where any misstep or disloyalty sentences you to eternal torture. Buddha might be a better solution because you're not necessarily tortured forever if you don't make the big boss happy, but reincarnation is pretty weird. I'd say that you'd be best off trying to start your own cult at that point, since its rules would be true too, and you can simply concoct useful rules like "Beautiful women must give me blowjobs every day".
All we need now are the Roman, Greek and Egyptian gods and we have a huge melee match just ripe for Fox's new reality TV show season.