those JW's

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-17 10:15pm

three is a perfect number to. The JWs normally travel in packs, one to talk (annoy) to you, one to agree with what the first one says, and a third to stick their foot in the door when you try to slam it.

Meghel · Post by **Meghel** » 2002-07-18 08:22am

I would just convert them.

PS: Dutch Jehova Witnesses do take "no" for an answer, resulting in less doctors costs and less broken feet.

Meghel

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-18 02:59pm

Meghel wrote:I would just convert them.

PS: Dutch Jehova Witnesses do take "no" for an answer, resulting in less doctors costs and less broken feet.

Meghel

Lucky you are, ours were steel boots to prevent broken feet.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-02-11 05:30am

David wrote:
Meghel wrote:I would just convert them.

PS: Dutch Jehova Witnesses do take "no" for an answer, resulting in less doctors costs and less broken feet.

Meghel

Lucky you are, ours were steel boots to prevent broken feet.

That's when you slam the door as hard as you can...

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2003-02-11 10:57am

Pablo Sanchez wrote:EDIT: Good link, from my personal hero and yours, Chuck Sonnenburg.
http://www.sfdebris.com/chuck1.html

404. Was that the page where Chuck uses the fact that he hasn't read Genesis 6 and 7 as evidence that he's right?

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Simon Peter was invited to speak to people about Christianity, or he preached in public places. He never went door to door, giving out literature and telling people that their faiths were wrong. Real Christianity spoke for itself.

Acts 5:42 disagrees with you on the whole house to house thing. (Verses 27-29 show that Peter is, in fact, one of those in the group mentioned in verse 42.)

As for saying that others' faiths are wrong, that is not an accepted practice. Any individuals that say that are not acting properly.

We're supposed to encourage reading of the Bible, and explain our beliefs on Bible texts. The idea is that the person finds that their current church does not satisfactorially answer their questions, while we can.

Telling someone that their faith is wrong is looked down upon, because it is obviously offensive. But nobody is perfect, and some are too zealous at times.

As to the proper way of getting rid of us... no need to be fancy. "I'm not interested. Please don't come back here again." They may ask "may I ask why?" Either say "no" and continue shutting the door or explain why you don't want them knocking on your door. We are instructed that the proper procedure is to honor that request. If the JW does not, than that individual is in the wrong.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-02-11 11:20am

Mad wrote:
Pablo Sanchez wrote:EDIT: Good link, from my personal hero and yours, Chuck Sonnenburg.
http://www.sfdebris.com/chuck1.html
404. Was that the page where Chuck uses the fact that he hasn't read Genesis 6 and 7 as evidence that he's right?

http://www.sfdebris.com/log_jw.html

Mad, be advised that many regulars might take offense at your gross misrepresentation of Chuck's statements.

Mad wrote:As to the proper way of getting rid of us... no need to be fancy. "I'm not interested. Please don't come back here again." They may ask "may I ask why?" Either say "no" and continue shutting the door or explain why you don't want them knocking on your door. We are instructed that the proper procedure is to honor that request. If the JW does not, than that individual is in the wrong.

What you don't seem to understand is that you're still being offensive. If someone wants to come into my home and convert them, and I tell them to fuck off, I expect them to be gone. I have no obligation to justify my actions, nor to be polite.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-11 11:42am

Mad wrote:Telling someone that their faith is wrong is looked down upon, because it is obviously offensive. But nobody is perfect, and some are too zealous at times.

Bullshit. I have never met a JW in my life who did not insist that his religion is the only correct one.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-02-11 11:50am

Before last year, I would have politely asked a JW to leave. Hell, if I had nothing better to do, I might even engage in a little amateur theology.

After my sister's ex-boyfriend's family started secretly bringing her to Temple Hall meetings (without consulting my mother, a staunch Catholic who nonetheless wouldn't DREAM of trying to convert someone else's child without at least talking to the parents first, or my father, a borderline Lutheran who strongly suspects all organized religion is bullshit), and the JW's at that temple hall began feeding her bullshit like, "If your family doesn't approve of you converting, you must shun them", my politeness reserves evaporated when it comes to those people.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-02-11 11:52am

I highly advocate the 'Convert them' tactic. Be it for Cluthu(Yes, I know it's mispelled. I also never pronounce it correctly. Because frankly, I don't want to take the chance.

), Zeus, Bob, or the Force. Rotate if necessary. If you have Scottish friends, dress up like Druids and try and throw them on a bonfire.

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2003-02-11 01:09pm

Eleas wrote:Mad, be advised that many regulars might take offense at your gross misrepresentation of Chuck's statements.

Thanks for the working link. It's been a while since I've seen it, so my memory was a bit fuzzy. Here's the part I referred to:

"I don't know where all this came from, but it doesn't sound like the Bible I read."

Genesis 6 and 7 describes it. Sounds like he hasn't read it, or has forgotten about it. I was wrong about him using it as evidence for anything, though.

Eleas wrote:What you don't seem to understand is that you're still being offensive. If someone wants to come into my home and convert them, and I tell them to fuck off, I expect them to be gone. I have no obligation to justify my actions, nor to be polite.

I shouldn't have used the word "proper" there. Anyway, my statements were intended for those who have problems getting the door closed. Your method is another alternative that should work.

Darth Wong wrote:I have never met a JW in my life who did not insist that his religion is the only correct one.

Think about it... if we didn't believe ours was correct, then we'd still be looking for the correct belief. Some lack tact in this regard. We are not supposed to say "I'm right, you're wrong" or somesuch. Instead, we are to go let the Bible basically speak for itself, using it as the source of information.

In a ST vs SW debate, you'll insist that the Empire can defeat the Federation. You can, of course, back your claims up with proof. Likewise, I can back my beliefs up with the Bible. Now, I know the Bible does not carry weight with you, but I think you understand what I'm getting at: my beliefs don't arise from thin air, they are based on something that I can refer to.

I don't know the specifics, so I can't comment on their behavior other than that it doesn't sound like they're acting properly. Imperfection and zealousness can cause some people to act in ways they shouldn't.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-02-11 01:16pm

Someone saying they are right and citing logic and evidence is worlds different from someone saying they are right and demanding we believe a book because God said so. Faiths are almost always wrong, so don't whine when this blindingly obvious fact is pointed out.

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2003-02-11 02:00pm

SirNitram wrote:Someone saying they are right and citing logic and evidence is worlds different from someone saying they are right and demanding we believe a book because God said so. Faiths are almost always wrong, so don't whine when this blindingly obvious fact is pointed out.

Who said anything about demanding? I agree that demanding that another human being with free will believe a book against their will is wrong. Thus, any individual or group making such a demand is in the wrong. JW's as a group do not demand such. Any individual JW that does needs to be corrected.

If you don't believe the Bible, then I can't force you to believe the Bible. I understand and respect that.

That said, we (Christians) are commanded to preach and make disciples (given in Matthew 28: 19, 20, for any who want to know where that command comes from). Any that convert are to do it through their own free will based on informed decisions, though. Now, how do you expect we fulfill that commandment if we don't tell people? (There are still people who haven't talked to JW's that are met in the door to door work. We have to at least attempt to reach those.)

And, again, as I've said: imperfection and zealousness can mean bad decisions at times.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-11 02:13pm

How can you say that you insist your religion is correct but you DON'T say other religions are wrong? Since your Bible explicitly condemns all those of other faiths as "wicked" and "sinners", to promote its use as the ultimate basis of truth IS to condemn all others.

You use the word "tact" to describe the proper behaviour of a JW. Sorry, but a tactful bigot is still a bigot. When I analyze SW, I do not actually believe it is real; it is just a hobby; a game. Some people may become delusional and think it is something more than that (see Darkstar), but that's all it is.

The problem with religious people saying they're right instead of just saying they choose to believe in something is that unlike scientists, they have no objective evidence to call upon. The Bible is nothing but hearsay; if you choose to believe that hearsay, go right ahead, but you can't tell someone that you have any claim to be any more correct than he is.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-02-11 02:29pm

Please. Among the things Christians are demanded to do is selling your clothes to buy a sword. Unless you're doing that too, don't tell me about passages instructing you to do things.

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2003-02-11 03:17pm

Darth Wong wrote:How can you say that you insist your religion is correct but you DON'T say other religions are wrong? Since your Bible explicitly condemns all those of other faiths as "wicked" and "sinners", to promote its use as the ultimate basis of truth IS to condemn all others.

Basically, yes, that is the belief.

Although we won't say that our branch of Christianity is correct in every aspect. We've been wrong before, and have corrected the misconceptions that have been identified. We believe the Bible is correct, though our interpretation may be flawed in certain aspects.

And other religions, naturally, believe that they are correct. (A religion that believes that it is wrong would be a very odd religion...) We are to respect those beliefs.

You use the word "tact" to describe the proper behaviour of a JW. Sorry, but a tactful bigot is still a bigot.

We will correct our beliefs if we see that they are wrong.

The problem with religious people saying they're right instead of just saying they choose to believe in something is that unlike scientists, they have no objective evidence to call upon. The Bible is nothing but hearsay; if you choose to believe that hearsay, go right ahead, but you can't tell someone that you have any claim to be any more correct than he is.

Which is why I said "if we didn't believe ours was correct." Going by absolutes, I can't say that I'm correct and you're wrong. And you'll notice that I haven't spoken in such absolutes (unless I got lazy with my typing somewhere), because I know that I can't prove them.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-11 03:50pm

*makes mental note to flame the hell out of Einhander Sn0m4n for resurrecting this dead thread.*