Valid Debunk of Global Warming?

[Bluewolf]

What was Netherlands solution? I have not heard about it before. Also moving at all would cost a lot of money and put a strain on governments, budget wise. Imagine moving historic sites, office building's and the like.

This is another great reason why Climate Change is bad. It puts strain on finance due to having to adapt to the changes that are going on.

[Narkis]

Dikes and water pumps. Lots and lots of them.

[Bluewolf]

Wow, that is pretty impressive. Of course this ties into what I said about cost. Such a process would take time and a lot of money to do on a wide scale and would probably mean that not all water could be pushed back. It is a pretty useful method of reclaiming land though.

Thanks for the link.

[Narkis]

No problem.

The cost's why only rich countries would be able to do that. Poor countries would have to make do with abandoning everything that can't be easily moved, and housing the displaced people in wooden shacks.

[Bluewolf]

So yet again. more damn poverty. Africa one again fucked over....

I know Japan has also tried to claim a lot of land back if I remember correctly but I am not sure. The thing is that it also has to be a agreed to and the risk is that some nations may do something stupid. I am not saying doing other things is bad but its pretty common for governments to do enviromental feel good measures that have no real positive impact apart from making a party look green.

[salm]

Singapore is a good example for claiming land from the ocean. They can operate und pretty good conditions, iirc, because the continental shelf there is very good for dumping land into the ocean. A problem Singapore is facing is that they´ve used up all of their own land and now have to import dirt from Malaysia.

[ray245]

Singapore is a good example for claiming land from the ocean. They can operate und pretty good conditions, iirc, because the continental shelf there is very good for dumping land into the ocean. A problem Singapore is facing is that they´ve used up all of their own land and now have to import dirt from Malaysia.

Not just that, we also piss off our neighbours with our land reclamation projects and the buying of sand from them.

[Bluewolf]

In what way Ray? I'd though the importing of dirt would be useful for nearby countries exporting it which would help the market. Why would it piss off people nearby?

[ray245]

In what way Ray? I'd though the importing of dirt would be useful for nearby countries exporting it which would help the market. Why would it piss off people nearby?

Well, they believed we would be able to increase our maritime borders by a huge margin as long as we are allowed to reclaim more lands, as well as believing the fact that we are responsible for the soil erosion that occurs in Malaysia and causing the disappearances of more and more island in Indonesia.

[Samuel]

I know Japan has also tried to claim a lot of land back if I remember correctly but I am not sure.

They have been filling in Tokyo Bay since the 17th century. And then there is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai_Int ... al_Airport

[Guardsman Bass]

Dikes and water pumps. Lots and lots of them.

How do the Dutch keep the sea water from getting into their groundwater supplies? That's one of the things I'd be worried about with New York City. You could keep the water from flooding the city streets with sea wall and floodgates, but what about the subway, and the groundwater supplies?
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[Samuel]

It is back! How the heck does the spam keep on breaking in?

Although it would be ironic if the recommendation was to buy stocks in companies that do desalinization.

[Bluewolf]

Well, they believed we would be able to increase our maritime borders by a huge margin as long as we are allowed to reclaim more lands, as well as believing the fact that we are responsible for the soil erosion that occurs in Malaysia and causing the disappearances of more and more island in Indonesia.

Which is a bit silly in my mind. Land reclaimation is a slow process and does not go that far. There is no way at this point of time that nation and expand their borders that much that they would be able to reclaim a massive amount of islands. The soil erosion claim, excuse the pun, holds more water really and is possible.

They have been filling in Tokyo Bay since the 17th century. And then there is this:

Thats what I mean though IIRC there is a risk of the land falling into the sea yet again. I could be wrong though.

[Seydlitz_k]

Dikes and water pumps. Lots and lots of them.

How do the Dutch keep the sea water from getting into their groundwater supplies? That's one of the things I'd be worried about with New York City. You could keep the water from flooding the city streets with sea wall and floodgates, but what about the subway, and the groundwater supplies?
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F.H.

They don't. The construction of the subway in the Hague went behind schedule by many years and over budget by over 100 million euros, because of water flooding the tunnels (The waterproof lining on the tunnels busted while the tunnels were being dug). I'm not quite sure how the groundwater remains drinkable, but I have a feeling it might have something to do with the system of natural dunes along most of the coast. At least in the dunes next to my house, there is an abundant supply of fresh drinking water, and there is even a massive water tower from the early 1900's (Meijendel dune area). You also have to pay taxes for maintenance and construction of dikes and waterworks in Holland.

I'm curious as to how serious 5 degree warming actually would be. Considering it is only an average, and would be spread out, would it not mean that some places would be more affected than others? Is there any way to predict who will see the greatest rise in local average temperature? Isn't local average temperature much more important than global average temperature anyways, especially in regards to things like food production? How much would this affect wildlife?

[Lusankya]

The effect of a small rise in temperature on local food production would vary greatly depending on local climate. A 1 degree temperature rise in Southern Canada, for example, might very well increase food production by extending the local cropping season, whereas a 1 degree temperature rise in southern Australia would result in the locals saying "Oh, shit! We've lost half of our arable land!"

[Samuel]

Is there any way to predict who will see the greatest rise in local average temperature?

It is supposed to be greatest at the poles and least at the equator. You know, the perfect situation to screw us over.

[D.Turtle]

I'm curious as to how serious 5 degree warming actually would be. Considering it is only an average, and would be spread out, would it not mean that some places would be more affected than others? Is there any way to predict who will see the greatest rise in local average temperature? Isn't local average temperature much more important than global average temperature anyways, especially in regards to things like food production? How much would this affect wildlife?

Well, this is from Mark Lynas' book "Six Degrees" which is supposed to be relatively conservative with the estimated effects:

With five degrees of global warming, an entirely new planet is coming into being - one largely unrecognisable fromm the Earth we know today. The remaining ice sheets are eventually eliminated from both poles. Rainforest have already burned up and disappeared. Rising sea levels have inundated coastal cities and are beginning to penetrate far inland into continental interiors. Humans are herded into shrinking zones of habitability by the twin crises of drought and flood. Inland areas see temperatures ten degrees higher than now.

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In fact, two globe-girdling belts of perennial drought clearly unfold across the map of future five-degree climate, with the northern hemisphere dry belt encompassing all of the central Americas, the entire southern half of Europe, the western Sahel and Ethiopia, southern India, Indo-China, Korea, Japan and the western Pacific.

In the southern hemisphere, an equivalent dry belt grips the southern portions of Chile and Argentina, eastern Africa and Madagascar, almost the whole of Australia and the Pacific Islands.

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It may also become too hot in continental climates during the summer months to grow arable crops. (Siberia, after all, is already hot enough in summer to see extreme heatwaves and forest fires). One modelling study found that even northern Canada and the former Soviet Union exhibited agricultural production declines in the five-degree world. One solution might be to concentrate populations and new farming colonies on the Arctic coasts of Russia and in the Canadian islands, where the moderating maritime influence should keep summer temperatures at tolerable levels.

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The changes described here would be in place a few decades from now.

Personally, that doesn't sound quite that nice - but hey - we can grow crops in the polar regions! Life will be good!