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Heard it on the radio today, and found a couple things:

First, a BBC article from yesterday
BBC wrote: Smoking bans 'cut heart attacks'
Smoking cigarette
Passive smoke raises heart risk

Bans on smoking in public places have had a bigger impact on preventing heart attacks than ever expected, data shows.

Smoking bans cut the number of heart attacks in Europe and North America by up to a third, two studies report.

This "heart gain" is far greater than both originally anticipated and the 10% figure recently quoted by England's Department of Health.

The studies appear in two leading journals - Circulation and the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.

Heart attacks in the UK alone affect an estimated 275,000 people and kill 146,000 each year.

Big impact

Earlier this month it was announced that heart attack rates fell by about 10% in England in the year after the ban on smoking in public places was introduced in July 2007 - which is more than originally anticipated.

But the latest work, based on the results of numerous different studies collectively involving millions of people, indicated that smoking bans have reduced heart attack rates by as much as 26% per year.

If you are a smoker, the single biggest thing you can do to avoid a heart attack is to give up, which could also protect the heart health of friends and family
Ellen Mason of the British Heart Foundation

Second-hand smoke is thought to increase the chances of a heart attack by making the blood more prone to clotting, reducing levels of beneficial "good" cholesterol, and raising the risk of dangerous heart rhythms.

Dr James Lightwood, of the University of California at San Francisco, led the Circulation study that pooled together 13 separate analyses.

His team found that heart attack rates across Europe and North America started to drop immediately following implementation of anti-smoking laws, reaching 17% after one year, then continuing to decline over time, with a 36% drop three years after enacting the restrictions.

Dr Lightwood said: "While we obviously won't bring heart attack rates to zero, these findings give us evidence that in the short-to-medium-term, smoking bans will prevent a lot of heart attacks.

"This study adds to the already strong evidence that second-hand smoke causes heart attacks, and that passing 100% smoke-free laws in all workplaces and public places is something we can do to protect the public."

Ellen Mason, of the British Heart Foundation, said: "These studies add to the growing evidence that a ban on smoking in public places seems to have a positive impact on heart attack rates, which is clearly good news for our nation's heart health.

"The statistics also show how quickly the benefits can be felt after a smoking ban is implemented and indicate how dangerous second-hand smoke can be to the heart.

"If you are a smoker, the single biggest thing you can do to avoid a heart attack is to give up, which could also protect the heart health of friends and family."

Latest figures show at least 70,000 lives have been saved by NHS Stop Smoking Services in the 10 years since they were established in England.
2004 study on a craphole US town

I'm still in a bit of a shock, to be honest. 30% reduction in heart attack rates? Thirty fucking per cent?

How can anybody with a conscience oppose regulation that can save tens of thousands of lives and millions in taxpayer money?
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PeZook wrote: I'm still in a bit of a shock, to be honest. 30% reduction in heart attack rates? Thirty fucking per cent?

How can anybody with a conscience oppose regulation that can save tens of thousands of lives and millions in taxpayer money?
The stock idiot response will almost certainly be something along the lines of "it's their body, so they should be allowed to pollute it even if it means exposing other people to smoke". Needless to say most nicotine addicts aren't terribly rational.
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Except the studies show a reduction across the board, including passive smokers (probably due to bars and restaurants now being smoke-free in the much of the UK), so even a total idiot should see how that argument breaks apart, if he's not lobotomized.
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General Zod wrote:
PeZook wrote:How can anybody with a conscience oppose regulation that can save tens of thousands of lives and millions in taxpayer money?
The stock idiot response will almost certainly be something along the lines of "it's their body, so they should be allowed to pollute it even if it means exposing other people to smoke". Needless to say most nicotine addicts aren't terribly rational.
Precisely; you'll find the same sort of people screaming about personal liberty that are fronting up at clown halls to lambast the concept of a healthcare safety net. These people don't give a shit about greater good. Even when they're stricken with cancer and lying in a hospital bed waiting for the news a most of them are still only going to be thinking 'why me?'
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Of course, since those studies encompassed non-smokers as well, the argument about personal liberty boils down to "I should be allowed to kill other people with my habit".

Actually, I'll keep that in mind next time I have a discussion about smoking bans. Heh heh...
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Smokers are extremely psychologically defensive of their addiction- it wouldn't be one if they weren't addicted to it, after all. Even if they want to quit, which most of them do, none of them will want to be forced to.

So that smokers would discount or try to ignore such a study is not surprising- their body is telling their brain that smoking is good or at worst neutral, and they'll do all sorts of things to rationalise it. Remember the huge fights back when physicians were starting to declare smoking was unhealthy and caused cancer? Smokers didn't want to believe it, because it made them feel bad about smoking.
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Well I am absolutely blown the fuck away. I mean, I hate my nanny state! Nobody tells ME I have to ask for salt on my chips!
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Duckie wrote:Smokers are extremely psychologically defensive of their addiction- it wouldn't be one if they weren't addicted to it, after all. Even if they want to quit, which most of them do, none of them will want to be forced to.

So that smokers would discount or try to ignore such a study is not surprising- their body is telling their brain that smoking is good or at worst neutral, and they'll do all sorts of things to rationalise it. Remember the huge fights back when physicians were starting to declare smoking was unhealthy and caused cancer? Smokers didn't want to believe it, because it made them feel bad about smoking.
On the other hand, there are a few people who are going to accept the harms of smoking, just that they rationalise their decision to smoke by saying smoking while I'm healthy is improving the quality of my life, and allows me to enjoy life even more.
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PeZook wrote:Earlier this month it was announced that heart attack rates fell by about 10% in England in the year after the ban on smoking in public places was introduced in July 2007 - which is more than originally anticipated.

But the latest work, based on the results of numerous different studies collectively involving millions of people, indicated that smoking bans have reduced heart attack rates by as much as 26% per year.

If you are a smoker, the single biggest thing you can do to avoid a heart attack is to give up, which could also protect the heart health of friends and family
Ellen Mason of the British Heart Foundation
A 10% drop in a single year!?! This is pretty mind-boggling. Please confirm for me: does this report state that heart attack rates, the result of a years or decades-long degenerative condition, fell 10% in a single year solely as a result of public smoking bans? If you have a link to the statistical analysis for this report, and its premises, I'd love to read it. I'm specifically interested in the age cohorts that had a reduction in heart attack rates directly attributed to the ban on public smoking. As the OT reads, I'm having a hard time following that a years-long or more degenerative condition can drop 10% in one year as a result of a minor prohibition.

I smoke. I don't want to quit. Partially as a result of posting here, I do not smoke around my son (I wait until he goes to bed weekdays, or smoke outside while he's inside on the weekends, and I don't smoke in the car), and for cost reasons I've cut my consumption 30% in the past four months. I'm doing what I can to mitigate the physical effect of my smoking on my son, considering I'm hooked and don't want to quit as I said. That stated, this information is pretty startling (your 2004 study linky no work for me) and I'm keen to see other statistically valid studies. The extreme rate of change still has me scratching my head. Wow.
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I'm trying to dig up more information, particularly the studies themselves.

One thing i've seen the news report mention is that cigarette smoke makes blood more suspectible to clotting, so it's probable that most people who didn't get a heart attack were otherwise healthy.

EDIT: Also, newsies should learn how to cite studies. Jesus christ it's difficult to find the details going off what's available in the news.

EDIT2: Here are the citations:

Excerpt in "Circulation"

James M. Lightwood and Stanton A. Glantz, Declines in Acute Myocardial Infarction After Smoke-Free Laws and Individual Risk Attributable to Secondhand Smoke

Circulation 2009: published online before print September 21, 2009, 10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.109.870691. [Abstract] [PDF] [Data Supplement]

And an editoria in JACC

Obviously, to get the full study, you'll need access to the journal, which is rather expensive.

On the other hand, even the excerpts show a staggering difference, both for smokers and non-smokers.
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Thanks in advance for whatever you turn up, PeZook. Information is our friend!
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Here's the JACC editorial in full, with interesting parts bolded:
JACC Editorial wrote:Smoking cessation in heart failure: it is never too late*

James Lightwood, PhDa, Kirsten E. Fleischmann, MD, MPH, FACCa and Stanton A. Glantz, PhD, FACCa

a Division of Cardiology, University of California-San Francisco, San Francisco, California, USA

Reprint requests and correspondence: Dr. Stanton A. Glantz, Box 0130, University of California, San Francisco, California 94143
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Smoking control efforts have focused recently on primary prevention among teens, rather than adult cessation. This preoccupation with youth has reinforced the feeling that current smokers are a "lost cause." There is also a feeling that once smoking has led to clinical disease, it is too late to intervene in a way that will help the patient. The article by Suskin et al. (1) in this issue of the Journal dispels these myths and illustrates that smoking cessation among smokers with heart failure is as effective or more effective at reducing mortality as treatment with beta-blockers or angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors. Ex-smokers had a 30% lower mortality compared to current smokers, which was similar to that in never smokers. The benefits of smoking cessation were comparable to treatment with the ACE inhibitor enalapril (19% mortality reduction compared to placebo [2]), the beta-blocker metoprolol (34% mortality reduction [3]) or the aldosterone inhibitor spironolactone (30% mortality reduction [4]). The benefits of smoking cessation accrue rapidly in these patients with heart failure, within one year.

Rather than being preventive care, as many physicians and policy makers consider smoking cessation, the work of Suskin et al. (1) reinforces the message that smoking cessation is really therapy.

Despite this clear clinical benefit to patients, most physicians still do not intervene to treat their patients’ tobacco use. Population-based surveys indicate that among smokers who had seen a physician within the last year, less than half (46%) were advised to quit, and only 15% reported being offered cessation therapy (5). Similarly, while a majority of primary care physicians surveyed indicated they ask about smoking status and advise patients to quit, few reported actively assisting patients (35%) or arranged follow-up (8%) as guidelines recommend (6). Physician compliance with smoking cessation advice among those treating people with heart failure is equally low; in a retrospective review of 522 congestive heart failure patients admitted at seven university hospitals, 72% of "ideal" candidates received ACE inhibitors on discharge but only 9% of smokers had documented advice to quit smoking (7). While the actual level of advice may be higher than is documented in the medical record, it is clearly low.

The findings of Suskin et al. (1) have important implications for both clinical practice and health-care policy. In clinical practice, it is important to determine the smoking status of patients with heart failure, promote smoking cessation and monitor compliance. Some physicians may believe that smoking cessation counseling is not worth the effort because of poor patient compliance stemming from nicotine addiction. In fact, the evidence indicates that compliance with a well designed smoking cessation counseling program is comparable to that of ACE inhibitors for patients with serious cardiovascular disease. A randomized controlled trial of smoking cessation counseling with monthly telephone follow-up for patients with myocardial infarction produced six-month and one-year patient compliance rates of 67% and 55% (8), respectively. Minimal cessation advice, consisting of viewing a smoking cessation video, a 10-min counseling session and referral to smoking cessation programs, resulted in six-month and one-year cessation rates of 43% and 34% (8), respectively. Studies of compliance with ACE inhibitors have found six-month compliance rates of from 46% to 86% in patients with heart failure (9,10).

Given the expense of commonly used medications for heart failure, smoking cessation counseling with follow-up may be more cost effective than pharmaceutical treatment for heart failure to achieve comparable results in terms of mortality. (Of course, one would expect better results from the combined effects of smoking cessation and other treatments.) The expected cost of creating a permanent ex-smoker has been estimated to range from $400 (physician counseling) to $1,100 (a four to eight week course of nicotine transdermal patch therapy) (11). The annual cost of ACE inhibitors and beta-blockers ranges from $200 to $1,500 per year (12–14). The relative cost of smoking cessation therapy is lower than appears from this comparison because the cost of smoking cessation is a one-time investment, while the cost of pharmaceutical therapy continues for the life of the patient. In addition, at an average cost of $4.50 per pack, an ex-pack-a-day smoker would save $1,600 a year on cigarettes.

The policy issue is coverage of smoking cessation therapy by health insurance programs. Physicians often complain that smoking cessation therapy is not reimbursed as a separate service. While it would provide a financial incentive to provide this service if it were separately reimbursable, the fact remains that prescribing and supervising the use of beta-blockers and ACE inhibitors is not a separately reimbursed service. Proper prescription and monitoring of these drugs is simply good medical practice and the standard of care for patients with severe cardiovascular disease. There is no reason that proper prescription and monitoring of smoking cessation efforts should not be treated similarly.

It is, however, possible to obtain additional compensation for smoking cessation efforts. Smoking cessation therapy is considered preventive care for tobacco dependence recorded as a primary disease, and is therefore often not covered by fee-for-service insurance policies and is not covered at all by Medicare. However, when tobacco dependence can be documented as a contributing factor to a smoking-related disease, such as heart failure, smoking cessation therapy is often covered. With proper documentation, Medicare will consider coverage on a case-by-case basis. Individual state Medicaid programs and private insurance company policies vary widely. Proper documentation of tobacco dependence as a contributing factor to a primary smoking-related disease is important for justifying coverage.

Health care advocates should also work to make tobacco cessation therapy more widely and easily available for patients with cardiovascular disease, in both fee-for-service and managed care settings. Insurance coverage should be as easily available for smoking cessation therapy as for drug therapy. Drug therapy is widely accepted and the required mechanisms for prescribing and dispensing are in place. The article by Suskin et al. (1) provides compelling evidence that smoking cessation should simply be considered one more clinical intervention in these patients. Unlike the use of powerful drugs, the side effects of smoking cessation—reducing the risks of other diseases—are positive.

When medical professionals and the general public think about smoking, they generally think of cancer, even though heart disease is a major disease end point for tobacco use. Moreover, unlike cancer, the benefits of smoking cessation in terms of reducing risk of cardiovascular disease accrue rapidly. (Other benefits, such as reductions in cancer risk, also accrue, albeit more slowly.) In otherwise healthy individuals, the risk of a heart attack or stroke falls by half within the first year following cessation and is nearly back to that of a nonsmoker in three years (15). Indeed, in California, the short-term savings in direct medical costs associated with these heart attacks and strokes alone amounted to enough money (15) to pay for a major public tobacco control program that has been in place since 1989 (16). Because of the rapid impact on heart disease risk, the California program prevented 33,300 coronary heart disease deaths during its first 7 years (17). These rapid public health benefits in tobacco prevention and cessation do not come from primary prevention of smoking in children, they come from reducing adult smoking rates and the attendant reductions in heart disease.

Suskin et al. (1) show that even in patients with established and serious cardiovascular disease, smoking cessation is an effective measure for the prevention of death and hospitalization. Quitting smoking is as effective as modern pharmaceutical therapies, and just as fast in manifesting its benefits. It is never too late to quit smoking, even for patients with heart failure and other serious cardiovascular disease. Cardiologists need to incorporate aggressive efforts to promote smoking cessation into practice in the same way that they have incorporated ACE inhibitors and beta-blockers.

To do anything less would be to deny these patients the best care.
It's a 30% reduction in mortality for smokers within a year of quitting, comparable to pharmacological treatment.
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Goddamn. I started smoking at age 33, and frankly never paid attentiion to studies. The source you cited, PeZook, still didn't answer my own questions about second-hand smoke or the effects of banning public smoking, BUT...

...I'm not going to dismiss your study citation. I don't have any cardiovascular issues now, and would like to keep it this way. I'm at a pack a day; I am immediately going to attempt to cut that in half (sorry, if I said I was quitting I'd be lying) in the space of the next month. Maybe I'll stop altogether, like other SDN members, maybe not; but I will cut back based on the report you cited.
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Count Chocula wrote: ...I'm not going to dismiss your study citation. I don't have any cardiovascular issues now, and would like to keep it this way. I'm at a pack a day; I am immediately going to attempt to cut that in half (sorry, if I said I was quitting I'd be lying) in the space of the next month. Maybe I'll stop altogether, like other SDN members, maybe not; but I will cut back based on the report you cited.
Well, the journal is probably going to be distributed to university libraries once the 2009 issue comes out, so you can do a more thorough analysis then.

Have you considered getting into a counselling program? I know a few people who had massive trouble quitting, and managed to do it with a counsellor's help.

Such things are available over here for free or with minor expenses, though I don't know how it works in the US.
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I've tried patches; didn't work. I've tried the gum; tasted like shit and didn't work. As my ex-smoker wife demonstrated, sheer will power seems to be the only sure route. As for counseling, I can barely take enough time off for dental appointments with my workload and the necessity to remain employed. I'll have to get this monkey off my back myself, if that's my goal.

I'm actually looking at step 3, an "electronic cigarette" nicotine vaporator, as an option to cutting back. It seems, for me at least, that the habits, paraphernalia, and rituals around smoking are equally strong bonds as the nicotine itself.
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Count Chocula wrote:I've tried patches; didn't work. I've tried the gum; tasted like shit and didn't work. As my ex-smoker wife demonstrated, sheer will power seems to be the only sure route.
Umm, no. Just no. While nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) doesn't guarantee a successful quit attempt, anecdote does not pluralise to data, so I match your one demonstration with a metastudy (Cahill et al 2009) of ten randomised, controlled trials with a total of 8000 subjects that shows that NRT leads to long term smoking cessation about 30% (RR=1.31) more of the time than does placebo (which is presumably better than just willpower alone, although just marginally). And that's the least effective pharmaceutical aid. Bupropion SR (RR=1.52) was considerably better, and varenicline is the most stunningly effective treatment we have yet (RR=2.38). Sure, some people can quit on willpower alone, but it's not reliable. Most people fail going cold turkey, and most of those that succeed relapse.
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I remember one paper I read earlier this year in school where they showed that the second hand inhalation of just 1/100th of the smoke that a smoker exhales as he burns through a cigarette was enough to cause measurable alterations in the blood pressure and endothelial progenitor cell counts.
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I wouldn't be surprised to find that Non-Smokers with heart conditions were helped by the smoking ban one bit either, it's the kind of thing that it just so obvious once you actually think about.
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It's my body, and I don't want to have it exposed to second-hand smoke if I don't want it to.

In other news, smoking is stupid and puts everyone at unnecessary risk. Colour me shocked.
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Count Chocula wrote:I've tried patches; didn't work. I've tried the gum; tasted like shit and didn't work. As my ex-smoker wife demonstrated, sheer will power seems to be the only sure route. As for counseling, I can barely take enough time off for dental appointments with my workload and the necessity to remain employed. I'll have to get this monkey off my back myself, if that's my goal.

I'm actually looking at step 3, an "electronic cigarette" nicotine vaporator, as an option to cutting back. It seems, for me at least, that the habits, paraphernalia, and rituals around smoking are equally strong bonds as the nicotine itself.
Not true. It's all about the nicotine. Don't believe me? Try smoking tobacco free herbal cigarettes for a while. You'll be back on the real butts in no time. What happens is that you start to associate all the things related to smoking with the buzz you get from nicotine. The same principle applies to ex-cokeheads, too. The sound of a razorblade on a mirror drives those guys nuts.

Anyway, willpower is the only sure way to do it, but therapy and medication help. While you'll never not want a cigarette again, once you really decide to quit, it's not that hard to overcome and it gets easier over time. I was lucky enough to have most of the withdrawal period occur while I was on painkillers, since my last straw was having a molar extracted, and I (perhaps overly so) attributed that to smoking, since I never had so much as a cavity prior to starting.

Everybody has their breaking point, the place where the effects of the addiction on them can't be ignored, and they gain the sincere desire to quit. Hope that yours isn't cancer or emphysema or your kid picking up cigarettes to be cool like daddy, Chocula. I'm just glad mine was something relatively minor.

Also, Florida offers free telephone counseling to help you quit. More info can be found here: http://www.flquitline.com/

Stop making excuses and do the thing that's good for you, those surrounding you and your children. Come on. You could be spending all that money on sex toys to spice things up with the misses! :-D
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Count Chocula wrote:Goddamn. I started smoking at age 33, and frankly never paid attentiion to studies.
What made you start smoking at that age? 90% of new smokers start below the age of 18, with the average age being at 13.

I'm 34 and I seriously doubt that even knowing something such as that I was going to die tomorrow (so it really wouldn't matter then, right?) would compel me to even consider smoking. There's really nothing I can think of to ever make me start, especially now. Hell, years ago, I broke off a relationship because she smoked. The biggest mistake I ever made in that regard was getting involved with that in the first place.
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Eris wrote:
Count Chocula wrote:I've tried patches; didn't work. I've tried the gum; tasted like shit and didn't work. As my ex-smoker wife demonstrated, sheer will power seems to be the only sure route.
Umm, no. Just no. While nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) doesn't guarantee a successful quit attempt, anecdote does not pluralise to data, so I match your one demonstration with a metastudy (Cahill et al 2009) of ten randomised, controlled trials with a total of 8000 subjects that shows that NRT leads to long term smoking cessation about 30% (RR=1.31) more of the time than does placebo (which is presumably better than just willpower alone, although just marginally). And that's the least effective pharmaceutical aid. Bupropion SR (RR=1.52) was considerably better, and varenicline is the most stunningly effective treatment we have yet (RR=2.38). Sure, some people can quit on willpower alone, but it's not reliable. Most people fail going cold turkey, and most of those that succeed relapse.
Those results aren't surprising. Dopamine is a powerful driver of behavior (especially "reward" signaling), and if you just drop smoking cold-turkey then you've suddenly got one hell of a need looking to be filled. Interestingly that may be why you see so many people start to over-eat when they quit smoking - they're exchanging one "high" for another.

Not to say willpower alone can't do it, but the failure rate without some kind of DA stimulus to make up for the lack of nicotine isn't surprising.
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ThomasP wrote:Interestingly that may be why you see so many people start to over-eat when they quit smoking - they're exchanging one "high" for another.
Nicotine is an appetite suppressant. When you remove the supply of it, the appetite returns and when you're used to having it suppressed you don't know how to deal with it when it comes back.

That's one of the reasons young women often start smoking: it helps them lose weight.
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Right, there is that - but I'm not sure that's really something you can separate from the larger effect of DA activity, either.

The opioid system is heavily tied in with appetite as well, and DA is a big modulator of that system. IIRC (with relevant disclaimer!) the suppressive effect of nicotine (and other DA agonists) on appetite is related to that signaling.
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In other news, and to continue the thread hijack, I only had 15 cigs yesterday...my normal dosing is 20-30. So far today, I've only had 8, and I really haven't been dwelling on smokes. Being out on business has broken up my normal routine, and of course I'm on a plane for the next three hours so there's more cut. I may never know if my heart attack risk will be reduced, but if I keep this up I'll save a few bucks.
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