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There's just no profit margin in small arms
For years, the AK-47 assault rifle has been the world's most popular weapon, the gun of choice for dictators, gang members and Third World revolutionaries.

But the global recession and a proliferation of copycats has left the Russian maker of the Kalashnikov, OAO Izhmash, in financial turmoil.

Monday, a court in Russia said it will consider a bankruptcy application filed against Izhmash by a supplier owed more than $13-million (U.S.). According to reports out of Russia, Izhmash has been losing money for years on its small-arms business and closed its largest gun factory in Izhevsk for much of 2009.

The company, which makes other military weapons and hunting guns, has blamed its problems on falling orders from the cash-strapped Russian army and a flood of AK-47 look-alikes from factories in China, Bulgaria, Poland and elsewhere.

By some estimates, copycat versions of the gun outsell Izhmash's legitimate variety 10 to one.

“They have been having this trouble for at least five years,” said Larry Kahaner, a Virginia-based journalist.

“We are at the point now that because it's so easy to make, anybody can make it,” said Mr. Kahaner, who wrote a history of the gun called The AK-47: The Weapon That Changed the Face of War .

Izhmash's troubles stand in contrast to some U.S. gun makers, such as Sturm Ruger & Co. Inc. and Smith & Wesson Holding Corp., whose sales and profits jumped sharply this year. That's largely due to specialty products and political issues in the United States where people have been buying guns out of concern President Barack Obama will tighten gun control during his tenure.

But international sales by both U.S. companies have not been as strong and military suppliers around the world have been coping with shrinking government spending on the military because of the recession. Izhmash is facing similar economic pressures along with an oversupply of discount look-a-likes.

Even the gun's inventor, Mikhail Kalashnikov who lives in Izhevsk, has complained about the counterfeits. “They just use the brand, the fame. It's not fair,” Mr. Kalashnikov told reporters in 2007.

Mr. Kalashnikov, a former Russian soldier, designed the gun while recovering from injuries during the Second World War. His work culminated in the AK-47 – taking its name from “automatic,” “Kalashnikov” and 1947, the year it was introduced.

Although less accurate than other machine guns, the AK-47 is easier to use and more durable. “It's simple, it's cheap, it's indestructible,” Mr. Kahaner said. “You can fix it with a coat hanger and a piece of gum. You can bury it for 10 years in the sand, pick it up out of the ground and it still works.”

The gun “was designed to be used by people with a minimum amount of training,” added John Hipwell of Wolverine Supplies, a gun dealer in Virden, Man. “And it was designed to be made with a minimum amount of expensive machinery.”

The Soviet Union not only adopted the AK-47 for its military but granted production licences to dozens of friendly states. However, Mr. Kalashnikov's design was never patented and the production agreements were largely handshake deals.

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, those client states began pumping out volumes of AK-47 variations, often charging much less than Izhmash. Today there are an estimated 70 million AK-47-type guns in circulation around the world, and in some countries the weapon can be bought for as little as $50.

Izhmash has tried to fight back with newer versions of the gun, such as the AK-100 series, which features a lighter design and more accuracy. And it recently signed production contracts with India and Venezuela. But Mr. Kahaner doubted those moves will be enough.

“There's no profit margin in small arms, that's the bottom line,” he said.
Of course, Izhmash is practically a Russian institution, so it won't disappear, but you've got to wonder at what the gameplan is to save it - I think the most reasonable solution would be to just nationalize it and have it on state retainer, so it doesn't matter whether it's profitable or not.

Izhmash seems to be a victim of the AK's success, not to mention the huge numbers of AKs available in Russia mean than the reduced Russian Army doesn't really need to re-equip itself anytime soon - the AN-94 is apparently too complicated for the average soldier anyway.

One thing I suppose they could try is an 'M4A1 SOPMOD' style AK-74M modification to re-equip the entire military with, that would generate some revenue.
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What about the most recent AK types?

Do they have similar problems?
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How do you mean? The AK-100 series (which includes the AK-74M, which the Russian Army has been using since 1991) is the most recent, they're mentioned in the article.
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Although less accurate than other machine guns, the AK-47 is easier to use and more durable. “It's simple, it's cheap, it's indestructible,” Mr. Kahaner said. “You can fix it with a coat hanger and a piece of gum. You can bury it for 10 years in the sand, pick it up out of the ground and it still works.”

The gun “was designed to be used by people with a minimum amount of training,” added John Hipwell of Wolverine Supplies, a gun dealer in Virden, Man. “And it was designed to be made with a minimum amount of expensive machinery.”
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- it's not a machine gun
- it's debateable if it's easier to use (in terms of ergonomics)
- I hope the "fix with coat hanger and gum" and "bury it for 10 years" are exaggerations
- the AK-47 was made with a machined receiver, most AKs are of the AKM variant, which has a stamped receiver
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Better jump on that Saiga rifle before it dries up.
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It won't dry up. A lot of companies come out of bankruptcy proceedings just fine, it doesn't mean they're going to disappear off the face of the earth.
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[R_H] wrote: :roll:

- it's not a machine gun
- it's debateable if it's easier to use (in terms of ergonomics)
- I hope the "fix with coat hanger and gum" and "bury it for 10 years" are exaggerations
- the AK-47 was made with a machined receiver, most AKs are of the AKM variant, which has a stamped receiver
Well, with regards to ergonomics, I doubt that was a major consideration of the time. And the stories about burying one for ten years might be exaggerations, but there was a story told by one Vietnam veteran who buried one outside his base for a couple months, then dug it up and fired it.
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Vympel wrote:It won't dry up. A lot of companies come out of bankruptcy proceedings just fine, it doesn't mean they're going to disappear off the face of the earth.
Possible. But that won't mean prices won't rise on fears of it drying up.
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[R_H] wrote: :roll:

- it's not a machine gun
- it's debateable if it's easier to use (in terms of ergonomics)
- I hope the "fix with coat hanger and gum" and "bury it for 10 years" are exaggerations
- the AK-47 was made with a machined receiver, most AKs are of the AKM variant, which has a stamped receiver
1. It's a machine gun by the incorrect colloquial definition being used in the article. That's a failure of the article, not the machine.
2. It's easier to 'use' in the sense of maintenance; it's clearly harder to use by ergonomics.
3. Me too, but they're not severe exaggerations:
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“ One of the bulldozers uncovered the decomposing body of an enemy soldier, complete with AK-47. I happened to be standing right there, looking down into the hole and pulled the AK out of the bog. "Watch this, guys," I said, "and I'll show you how a real infantry weapon works." I pulled the bolt back and fired 30 rounds — the AK could have been cleaned that day rather than buried in glug for a year or so. That was the kind of weapon our soldiers needed, not the confidence-sapping M16.
4. The article is clearly using the term 'AK-47' in the colloquial Western sense of 'all Kalashnikovs'. The stamped receiver variants are certainly very easy to make. There is a webpage somewhere showing most of the process in a small workshop - they heat treat the small parts by dumping them in a pan of oil and setting it on fire!
“There's no profit margin in small arms, that's the bottom line,” he said.
Maybe they need to diversify. IIRC Glock has insane profit margins.
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- it's not a machine gun
It is not a "gun for sustained rapid fire that uses bullets"? As the dictionary says? There may be some obscure gunwanker definition that says otherwise but for all intents and purposes there is nothing wrong with calling a machine gun a machine gun.
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Well, in all fairness, it's classified as an Assault Rifle.
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An AK-47 is an assault rifle. Machine guns are normally larger and designed to fire on automatic (M60, M249, Browning M2s) as their standard mode of operation and indicates a particular military role (supporting fire), while assault rifles are designed to be used mainly as semi-auto rifles, with the option for burst or auto fire.

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The key part of the definition is "sustained", but I agree it's a pointless nitpick when the article isn't even about the goddamned gun itself.
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Bounty wrote:
- it's not a machine gun
It is not a "gun for sustained rapid fire that uses bullets"? As the dictionary says? There may be some obscure gunwanker definition that says otherwise but for all intents and purposes there is nothing wrong with calling a machine gun a machine gun.
Feh HDS beat me to it.

Based on your and the dictionary's definition, a good part of the world's submachine guns could be classified machine guns too. :roll: Looks like Merriam-Webster forgot to update said entry in the last 100 year or so.

The closest MG relative of the AK is the RPK and RPK-74 light machine guns.

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EDIT: never mind...
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Maybe they need to diversify. IIRC Glock has insane profit margins.
http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/weapon.shtml

They've got a pretty extensive product list, and it's not just weapons. I think the main problem is simply the lack of state orders and export demand. There are so many small arms out there, why pay for a (quality) AK-100 series?
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Vympel wrote:
Maybe they need to diversify. IIRC Glock has insane profit margins.
http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/weapon.shtml

They've got a pretty extensive product list, and it's not just weapons. I think the main problem is simply the lack of state orders and export demand. There are so many small arms out there, why pay for a (quality) AK-100 series?
What they need is better marketing. Glock has R. Lee Ermey, they need some famous guy to appear in the gun rags to entice the tacticool mall ninjas.

They should have also opened a plant here in the U.S. so they could have cranked out AK's without having to go through the 'sporterized' crap to import weapons into here.
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Vympel wrote:There are so many small arms out there, why pay for a (quality) AK-100 series?

Especially since the Chinese have shown how easy it is to get away with making unlicensed ones.
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