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Police taser legless amputee in wheelchair

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He's black of course, as though you had to ask.
The Merced Police Department's Internal Affairs Division is investigating a complaint alleging that an officer twice used a Taser against an unarmed, wheelchair-bound man with no legs.

The incident occurred Sept. 11.

The man who was Tasered, 40-year-old Gregory Williams, a double-leg amputee, spent six days in jail on suspicion of domestic violence and resisting arrest, although the Merced County District Attorney's Office hasn't filed charges in the case.

Williams, who was released from jail Friday, said he was violently manhandled and Tasered by police, even though he claims he was never physically aggressive toward the officers or resisted arrest.

Even worse for him, Williams says he was publicly humiliated after his pants fell down during the incident. The officers allegedly left him outdoors in broad daylight, handcuffed on the pavement, nude below the waist. Williams said the arrest also left him with an injured shoulder, limiting his mobility in his wheelchair.

And although the two lead arresting officers are white, and Williams is black, it remains unknown whether race was a factor in the incident. Those two officers remain on duty.

Williams said the officers never used any racial epithets toward him. Although he does believe race and class played a role in his arrest, he also feels the police just wanted to be "downright nasty" to him. "They did what they did because they can get away with it," he said. "They've been doing it so long, it doesn't matter who they do it to. They just think they can get away with it."

A handful of residents who live in Williams' apartment complex claim they witnessed the incident and support Williams' charges. A short video clip, shot by a neighbor in the complex and obtained by the Sun-Star, clearly shows Williams sitting on the pavement with his pants down, his hands cuffed behind his back.

A Merced police report obtained by the Sun-Star tells a somewhat different story from that of Williams. The report, written by the responding officers, suggests that police had tried to reason with Williams before the arrest, to no avail. The officers wrote in the report that Williams was uncooperative and refused to turn over his 2-year-old daughter to Merced County Child Protective Services, among other allegations.

In the report, police also say a hostile crowd had gathered as the officers attempted to perform their duties.

The Merced Police Department's spokesman officially declined to comment on the matter, saying he can't legally speak about it because of the internal investigation.

The Sun-Star interviewed Williams and several neighbors who said they witnessed his arrest.

Police use Tasers more often

Tasers have become more controversial as they're more widely used by law enforcement. Proponents, including most U.S. law enforcement agencies and related foundations, say the weapon allows officers to control suspects and criminals without resorting to deadly force, pepper spray or batons. The stun guns, which transmit up to 50,000 volts of electricity, are supposed to disable a suspect or criminal for several seconds so officers can handcuff or otherwise control him. Tasers have become popular over the last decade, and more than 12,400 police departments worldwide use them.

Opponents blame Tasers for more than 150 deaths in the U.S. in recent years. A 2005 report by the American Civil Liberties Union claims that the weapon is "largely unregulated." In a survey of more than 50 departments across central and northern California, the ACLU concluded that "in the absence of strong regulations on how police use the weapon, we are likely to see more unnecessary deaths."

The Law Enforcement Alliance of America called the ACLU report "junk science." Law enforcement agencies typically blame Taser-related deaths on other factors, such as the possible lethal presence of illegal drugs, pre-existing medical conditions or stress stemming from violently resisting arrest. A Fox News story last year quoted a study by the city of Houston that concluded its police officers used Tasers more often on black suspects than any other group between 2004 and 2007.

Three inmate deaths in the last five months have occurred in Stanislaus County Jail after corrections officers used Tasers to subdue prisoners. Last year, Merced County agreed to pay $650,000 to settle a lawsuit filed by the family of an inmate who died after a struggle involving correctional officers who used a Taser at the Merced County Jail.

An afternoon to remember

Williams, a life-long Mercedian who's married with three children, said both his legs were amputated in 2004 after he was diagnosed with a serious case of deep-vein thrombosis. The condition led to gangrene in both legs.

Doctors amputated each of his legs below the knee when he was 34. Now, only withered stumps of skin exist where his lower legs once were. Williams said losing his legs was life-changing. He lost his job as a truck driver and was forced to adjust to life as an amputee. He now supports himself and his family from a Social Security allotment of $1,004 a month, from his disability.

While Williams and his wife have a 2-year-old daughter, Ginni, together, his 11-year-old daughter and 4-year-old son live with other family members.

Fast-forward to the afternoon of Sept. 11, a day Williams says he'll "always remember."

Between 3 p.m. and 4 p.m., Williams said he and his wife, 28-year-old Demetrice Shaunte Phifer, were involved in a verbal argument when a marked Merced Police Department patrol car arrived at the couple's apartment, at 2355 K Street.

While one officer spoke with his wife, Williams said another officer arrived at the scene and ordered him to "go back to your house!" Williams, who held his 2-year-old daughter in his lap, said he rolled his wheelchair back to his apartment.

The officer, who Williams said he couldn't remember by name, but is identified in the police report as Officer John Pinnegar, approached him in the doorway of his studio apartment. Pinnegar said his wife had accused him of striking her, which Williams denied.

Shortly afterward, Sgt. Rodney Court and a worker with Merced County Child Protective Services came to his apartment, Williams recalled. "I'm trying to tell him nothing happened. We were just having an argument," he said.

Williams said the officers told him he was being arrested. "Arrested for what? What did I do?," Williams said he asked the officers.

A Taser to the ribs

Events went south fast. Pinnegar grabbed William's 2-year-old daughter from his lap, handing her to the CPS worker. "I said, 'What are you doing? I haven't done anything!'" Williams recalled.

Williams said Pinnegar, who was positioned behind the wheelchair, grabbed him by his left arm, pulling it backward behind his head. To prevent himself from falling out of his wheelchair, Williams said he grabbed the side of his wheelchair with his right hand. "I wasn't resisting. I was hanging on, so I wouldn't fall out and bust my head open. They weren't caring what was going to happen to me when I hit that ground, and I knew it," Williams said.

Williams said Pinnegar unholstered his Taser and jammed it into his rib cage on the left side of his body, shocking him twice. Williams said he fell from his chair on his stomach, onto the ground outside of the doorway in front of his apartment. During the struggle, Williams said one of the officers placed a handcuff on his right wrist.

While he was down on the ground, Court put his knee on Williams' neck, Williams said. One of the officers then cuffed both of Williams' wrists, he said. At some point after falling out of his chair, Williams said his shorts slid down his legs. With his hands cuffed behind his back, Williams said he was helpless and unable to pull his pants back up. He said police left him for five to 10 minutes on the pavement in that position, with his genitals showing, as neighbors and onlookers watched the scene unfold.

William Decker, a relative of Williams who witnessed the arrest, said he was appalled by what he saw. Williams is the brother-in-law of Decker's wife from her previous marriage. "The tenants were screaming 'Pull his pants up! Give him some dignity!'" Decker recalled.

Decker said he noticed Williams was bleeding from his mouth during the incident. Williams said he's unsure of why he was bleeding from his mouth. There are specks of blood present on the collar of the blue shirt he was wearing that day.

Dozens of police respond

Eventually, Williams said a detective uncuffed him, and someone pulled his pants up before paramedics attended to him. Dozens of police responded to the apartment complex as a small crowd of onlookers and residents gathered.

Williams was taken to Mercy Medical Center Merced and treated for a shoulder injury, which Williams claims was a result of the officer pulling back his arm. A diagnostic imaging report from the hospital states that although there's no fracture or dislocation on Williams' left shoulder, he may have an underlying rotator cuff tear.

Williams' left arm is in a sling. Without both arms, he said he'd be unable to move his wheelchair without help until his shoulder heals, which could take weeks.

Police took Phifer, Williams' wife, into custody during the incident on an outstanding $10,000 misdemeanor warrant for domestic violence.

A tenant in the apartment complex, 36-year-old Clifton Alexander Allison, was also arrested on suspicion of carrying an illegal weapon (a double-bladed folding knife) and with resisting arrest.

After being treated, Williams was taken to the John Latorraca Correctional Center, where he spent six days in a dorm with older inmates. He was released from jail Friday around noon, after the Merced County District Attorney's Office decided not to file charges against him.

Merced County District Attorney Larry Morse II said his office rejected Williams' case because there wasn't enough evidence to file charges. "While we do not doubt the officers may have had probable cause in arresting Mr. Williams, in our view we would not likely obtain a conviction in a jury trial," Morse said. "We are ethically precluded from filing any case in which we do not believe we have a likelihood of securing a conviction."

Williams said he's not surprised the District Attorney's Office didn't file charges because he maintains he did nothing wrong. While Williams said he was concerned about the officers taking his daughter away from him, he insisted that never posed a threat to police.

Other than having his daughter taken away, Williams said the worst result of the incident was being subjected to the public embarrassment of being handcuffed on the ground with his pants down, in full view of apartment residents.

Recounting the experience, Williams broke into tears. "How much resisting am I going to do with no legs? No feet?" he wept. "It's ridiculous what they did to me. How far am I gonna run? Where am I gonna go?"

Probable cause -- or excessive force?

The Merced Police Department was prompted to conduct an internal investigation into Williams' Tasing after Decker filed a complaint with the department on Sept. 14.

Decker said he spent the weekend disgusted by what he'd just seen and felt he had to step forward.

The former owner of "Big Will's Barbecue" restaurant in Atwater, Decker said he wanted to intervene to help Williams, but feared he'd be the next to be Tased -- or worse. "He didn't fight. He didn't hit anybody. Nothing," Williams said.

Cmdr. Floyd Higdon, spokesman for the Merced Police Department, said he couldn't comment on any specific details about the incident, citing the internal investigation.

Although Higdon said the officers involved remain on-duty, he said the department is taking the internal investigation and the allegations seriously.

"We want to get to the bottom of it," Higdon said. "We want to make sure we're doing the right thing for the right reasons. But like any case, we need to keep an open mind."

In the police reports filed by Court and Pinnegar, details surrounding the incident differ somewhat from Williams' account.

According to the report filed by Pinnegar, he arrived at the K Street apartment at 3:27 p.m. to investigate a call about a fight in progress.

Phifer told the officer that she'd been in an argument with Williams, who punched her about three times in the stomach with a closed fist. Phifer told Pinnegar she had no physical injuries.

Pinnegar walked over to talk with Williams, who acknowledged the couple had been in an argument about their 2-year-old. When asked if he'd struck Phifer, Williams denied it, according to Pinnegar's report.

While Pinnegar was talking with Williams, a CPS worker arrived at the scene, telling the officer she'd received information from an "anonymous citizen" that there was domestic violence happening at Phifer's and Williams' apartment, and that there was drug use in front of "the children."

According to the report, Williams then became "extremely upset" because CPS was at his doorstep. Pinnegar and Court told Williams that it would "be in his best interest" if he allowed the CPS worker to search his home, to ensure that it was an "adequate place for the child to be raised," the report said.

Williams told the officer he was no longer going to talk with them, saying that "he knew his rights."

'You're not taking my kid!'

After Pinnegar told Williams he was going to "have to take him into custody for misdemeanor domestic violence," Williams replied that he wasn't going to allow anyone to take his child.

Court went to Williams' right side and "grabbed his right arm into a rear wristlock," according to the report. Williams began to yell, "You're not taking me to jail! You're not taking my kid!"

Pinnegar grabbed Williams' left arm, which he had wrapped around his daughter, pulled the child away and handed her to the CPS worker.

"After removing Williams' arm from the child, he then grabbed his wheelchair and refused to comply with our orders," Pinnegar wrote in the report.

Pinnegar then told Williams if he didn't comply, he was going to shock him with his Taser. "Williams continued to yell and scream that he wasn't going to jail. I removed my Taser from the left side of my utility belt and removed the cartridge. I then activated my Taser and applied it to the left shoulder of Williams. After Tasing Williams, he began to comply and I was able to grab his left arm," Pinnegar's report stated.

Court, in his report, said he tried to explain to Williams that he had no intention of taking him or his daughter. He wrote that he only wanted him to cooperate with Pinnegar and the CPS worker "so that we could get the information that was needed and leave."

In the report, Court said his efforts to "verbal judo" a belligerent Williams into cooperating failed, as Williams yelled profanities and refused to comply.

As for Williams' disability, Court said he and Pinnegar were "extremely careful" in handling him, putting Williams' arms behind his back before carefully removing his daughter. Court's report stated the officers "did this without even having (Williams) come out of his chair."

Neither Court nor Pinnegar mentioned in their reports that Williams allegedly fell out of his chair. Nor do the reports mention how Williams was allegedly handcuffed on the pavement with his pants down. While Williams said he remembered being Tasered in the rib-cage, Pinnegar stated in his report that he applied the Taser to Williams' shoulder.

As the officers began taking Williams into custody, a crowd of 10 to 15 people began to approach the police. A member of the crowd, Clifton Allison, walked toward Pinnegar, yelling, "Leave him alone you [bleeping] bitch," the report said.

Pinnegar placed the cartridge back into his Taser, pointed it at Allison and called police dispatch to request backup units. Although Pinnegar instructed Allison to back away, he continued to come toward the officer, shouting to leave Williams alone.

More officers arrived, and Allison was placed in a patrol car "due to the fact he was enticing other people in the area while we were trying to take Williams into custody," Pinnegar wrote in his report.

Court wrote in his report that the only visible injury on Williams was a cut to his lip, which "appeared to be self-inflicted," possibly from biting it. Court's report said Williams also complained of chest pains, and Pinnegar believed Williams might have also have suffered a dislocated shoulder.

While at the hospital, Williams, without being advised of his Miranda Rights, apologized to Pinnegar for "acting up," saying he was only trying to protect his daughter. He also told Pinnegar that he'd never struck his wife, according to Pinnegar's report.

'Hey, you can't do that!'

Several residents who witnessed the incident said they think police used excessive force.

While some witnesses said they didn't see the Tasing itself, their account of the aftermath matches Williams' account.

Eddie Blaylock, a 38-year-old resident of the apartment complex, said he was standing outside his unit with his wife, Cathy, when the couple witnessed the commotion. Blaylock said he doesn't personally know Williams, saying he's only "waved" at him from time to time.

Blaylock, who was a member of the crowd that gathered to watch the incident unfold, said he began taking notice after seeing "two cops trying to handcuff a guy in a wheelchair." After seeing an officer pull out his Taser, Blaylock said he yelled, "Hey, you can't do that!"

One of the officers threatened to Taser Blaylock if he "didn't step back," he said. Blaylock said he didn't actually see Williams get Tasered, although he did see him on the pavement, handcuffed, with his pants down. "He was handcuffed that way, with his pants down. He couldn't do nothing," Blaylock said. "He was just sitting there, on his knees, with his pants down. Not doing anything, not fighting, nothing. Just staring."

Blaylock and his wife said they never saw Williams resist arrest or become violent. "He was complaining about them yanking his arm back before they handcuffed him, because they had one cuff on him," Blaylock said. "They couldn't get the other arm for some reason, and that's when the Taser came in. He was yelling about his arm being stretched backwards."

Farrah Shells, Allison's girlfriend, said she walked up to the scene with her boyfriend and saw Williams on the pavement handcuffed. "They wouldn't even let him pull his pants up," Shells said.

While Allison was arrested and faces charges for resisting arrest and carrying an illegal weapon, Shells disputes the officers' claims. Shells said Allison had been trying to record video footage of the incident on a camera phone when an officer told him to stop.

Shells said Allison refused to stop filming the incident, saying, "Well, everyone else is." Shells said the officer then arrested Allison, although he didn't resist, and willingly placed his hands behind his back. In addition, Shells said she believes police deleted the video footage of the incident from the phone. "Before they gave it back to me, I saw a cop going through my phone," Shells said.

When asked about Shells' claims about the phone and the circumstances surrounding Allison's arrest, Higdon declined comment, saying that's also part of the department's internal affairs investigation.

A rough neighborhood

Anyone who lives in the vicinity of the two-story apartments at 2355 K Street will tell you the area is known for drug sales and other illegal activity.

Williams said he lives at the complex strictly out of economic necessity. He also claims he never uses drugs, and only drinks an occasional beer.

Before his arrest on Sept. 11, Williams had only minor brushes with the law. He was arrested on July 17, 1991, on suspicion of spousal abuse, for an incident with his then-girlfriend. On March 27, 1992, he was arrested for misdemeanor driving without a license and a misdemeanor spousal abuse and battery warrant. All those charges were dismissed.

Despite the allegations of drug use at his home, Williams has never been arrested on any drug charges. "I'm not like what they say in all those reports. What they are trying to do is justify what they did to me," Williams said.

William's daughter, Ginni, is with his sister-in-law. He's been unable to see her since his release from jail.

Internal Affairs probe

Higdon said he's not sure how long the internal investigation will take, noting that such investigations can range from a few weeks to several months. He said the investigation will determine if the officers violated any of the department's policies and procedures and if any criminal acts were committed.

The department's internal affairs report will eventually be forwarded to Merced Police Chief Norm Andrade for his review.

Decker, who filed the complaint with police, said he's not convinced anything will come of the police investigation. As a result, he's helping Williams obtain legal advice. "I don't know if (the police department) will do anything," Decker said. "And I am pretty sure they're going to blow it off. But I needed to do it for me, because it bugs the hell out of me."

For his part, Williams hopes the department will hold the officers responsible for their actions, which he considers wrong. Williams said he was afraid only of losing his daughter and being knocked from his chair. "If (they) were going to do what they had to do, just lift me out of the chair and put me in the back seat," Williams said. "Don't try to throw me on the ground, because I am going to grab on (to my chair). I'm not going to let you throw me on the ground and bust my head open. I don't think anybody would let them do that."

He also hopes his story will prevent anyone else from going through a similar humiliating experience.

"If it's not me, it's somebody else," Williams said. "That's the way I see it."
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For those that skipped over this part:
The Police Report wrote:"After removing Williams' arm from the child, he then grabbed his wheelchair and refused to comply with our orders," Pinnegar wrote in the report.

Pinnegar then told Williams if he didn't comply, he was going to shock him with his Taser. "Williams continued to yell and scream that he wasn't going to jail. I removed my Taser from the left side of my utility belt and removed the cartridge. I then activated my Taser and applied it to the left shoulder of Williams. After Tasing Williams, he began to comply and I was able to grab his left arm," Pinnegar's report stated.

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Court wrote in his report that the only visible injury on Williams was a cut to his lip, which "appeared to be self-inflicted," possibly from biting it. Court's report said Williams also complained of chest pains, and Pinnegar believed Williams might have also have suffered a dislocated shoulder.
So as you can plainly see, the tasering was completely justified. In fact it looks like he was suffering from "Excited Delirium", a common affliction suffered by black males in police reports and autopsies after a death in police custody. Who knows what could have happened if the officer hadn't bravely ventured close enough to said excited black male to taser him? He could have run over someones toes! The dislocated shoulder clearly a result of said "Excited Delirium".
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The only way I could see the guy resisting arrest is if he had an assault rifle or was in a tank or something (in which case he wouldn't be tasered).

Hope he sues those pigs. :evil:
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I'm afraid I must take exception to this statement, to some extent.

While I don't doubt that race is sometimes a motive in police abuse, their are also quite a few cases of police stepping on the rights of white people or treating them in a questionable manner (I can think of a number of cases in the news recently, and even some that have happened to people I personally know). The same no doubt is true of every other racial group.

Their are numerous cases of police officers in a variety of circumstances ignoring the law and the rights of citizens (both black and white included), behaving thuggishly in the apparent belief that they will not be held accountable. At the risk of generalization, I suspect a lot of police officers (and people in general) will exercise or abuse their authority because they believe (in the words of Mr. Williams) "they can get away with it."

Of course, the presence of racism in a community, as well as resulting disproportionally high percentages of racial minorities living in poverty and/or having existing criminal records, can make members of these groups easier and more frequent targets for police abuses of authority. But to treat the problem of police brutality and abuse of power entirely or perhaps even primarily as a racial one is simplistic and, to my mind, potentially counter-productive.

I found this bit of the article particularly interesting:
And although the two lead arresting officers are white, and Williams is black, it remains unknown whether race was a factor in the incident. Those two officers remain on duty.

Williams said the officers never used any racial epithets toward him. Although he does believe race and class played a role in his arrest, he also feels the police just wanted to be "downright nasty" to him. "They did what they did because they can get away with it," he said. "They've been doing it so long, it doesn't matter who they do it to. They just think they can get away with it."
Also this:
Three inmate deaths in the last five months have occurred in Stanislaus County Jail after corrections officers used Tasers to subdue prisoners. Last year, Merced County agreed to pay $650,000 to settle a lawsuit filed by the family of an inmate who died after a struggle involving correctional officers who used a Taser at the Merced County Jail.
Three in five months? In one fucking county jail? :banghead:

Anyone have any suggestions on how corrupt policemen can be removed from the system, and held accountable for breaking the laws they are paid to uphold? Personally, I wonder if it would be feasible to mandate a camera and tape recorder in every police car and interrogation room, to ensure that officers can't cover up behavior like this after the fact.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Anyone have any suggestions on how corrupt policemen can be removed from the system, and held accountable for breaking the laws they are paid to uphold? Personally, I wonder if it would be feasible to mandate a camera and tape recorder in every police car and interrogation room, to ensure that officers can't cover up behavior like this after the fact.
Police have power over the common citizen, Therefore, they have more responsibility than the common citizen. Therefore, they should and must act in a manner as to be worthy of that power, and to be held responsible should they abuse it.

Cameras et al can and should be mandated in police vehicles and uniforms, with severe penalties for removal, tampering, being turned off, covering up, or being hampered, hindered, destroyed, or otherwise made inactive or ineffective. They would be redundant, of course, and some would be hidden, others obviously visible. Off-duty police officers effectively become ordinary citizens for as long as they are off-duty.

Misdemeanors get the policeman in question suspended without pay as he gets sent back to school, because he obviously wasn't trained well enough. This is in addition to whatever charge the misdemeanor incurs.

Felonies are much more severe. In addition to whatever sentence the felony incurs, the policeman in question is stripped of his badge and rank. Depending on the severity of the felony, he might be able to get his badge back, but only after he goes through the academy again, and this time with more strict requirements. Serious felonies like murder, however, means that the policeman in question can never become a policeman again (not that he can when he's serving two life sentences). Additional penalties can be applied based on how much the policeman abused his power, left to the judge's discretion.

Corruption is based on connections. Therefore any police department worth its salt should make sure that connections can't be abused without absurd requirements (such as the entire county covering up a drug plant). Policemen would be required to interact with many different people, some of them close and familiar, some of them not. Ideally, policemen would be rotated to different locations at random intervals to help prevent blue walls from forming, but I don't know how feasible that is.

Of course, take this with a teaspoon of salt. I might just be talking out of my ass. :)
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The officers wrote in the report that Williams was uncooperative and refused to turn over his 2-year-old daughter to Merced County Child Protective Services, among other allegations.

[...]

Tasers have become more controversial as they're more widely used by law enforcement. Proponents, including most U.S. law enforcement agencies and related foundations, say the weapon allows officers to control suspects and criminals without resorting to deadly force, pepper spray or batons.

[...]

"After removing Williams' arm from the child, he then grabbed his wheelchair and refused to comply with our orders," Pinnegar wrote in the report.

Pinnegar then told Williams if he didn't comply, he was going to shock him with his Taser. "Williams continued to yell and scream that he wasn't going to jail. I removed my Taser from the left side of my utility belt and removed the cartridge. I then activated my Taser and applied it to the left shoulder of Williams. After Tasing Williams, he began to comply and I was able to grab his left arm," Pinnegar's report stated.
Note bolded sections. Note also the difference between the stock justification for taser use (a substitute for deadly force) vs the reality: so-called 'pain compliance'. The 'deadly force' argument was used to push through tasers in Australia recently. It's sound, but only with firm regulation, and 'self-regulation' is really 'no regulation'.
A short video clip, shot by a neighbor in the complex and obtained by the Sun-Star, clearly shows Williams sitting on the pavement with his pants down, his hands cuffed behind his back.

[...]

Neither Court nor Pinnegar mentioned in their reports that Williams allegedly fell out of his chair. Nor do the reports mention how Williams was allegedly handcuffed on the pavement with his pants down. While Williams said he remembered being Tasered in the rib-cage, Pinnegar stated in his report that he applied the Taser to Williams' shoulder.

[...]

While Allison was arrested and faces charges for resisting arrest and carrying an illegal weapon, Shells disputes the officers' claims. Shells said Allison had been trying to record video footage of the incident on a camera phone when an officer told him to stop.

Shells said Allison refused to stop filming the incident, saying, "Well, everyone else is." Shells said the officer then arrested Allison, although he didn't resist, and willingly placed his hands behind his back. In addition, Shells said she believes police deleted the video footage of the incident from the phone. "Before they gave it back to me, I saw a cop going through my phone," Shells said.

When asked about Shells' claims about the phone and the circumstances surrounding Allison's arrest, Higdon declined comment, saying that's also part of the department's internal affairs investigation.
This is a good example of how citizen videos can help in providing evidence for investigations.
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I am not stating that Williams resisted arrest or not, however, I must take exception to the notion that a legless man can't physically resist or be physically violent. He probably has greater than typical upper body strength from using his arms to get around. Clearly, the emphasis on him being a double-amputee is a ploy to garner sympathy. That status would certainly make it much more difficult for him to flee, but prior to the shoulder injury there wasn't anything wrong with his arms. I could see where police called to a domestic disturbance - historically one of the more dangerous situations for officers - confronted with a yelling, belligerent man with two healthy arms might have concerns for their physical safety.

On the flip side, the police I think were misinterpreting him hanging onto his wheelchair as resisting arrest but I think what he said - he was trying to avoid falling - is actually the truth in that case. I think police overall has a nasty, nasty habit of expecting people to comply meekly with the orders, including surrendering their children to strangers during emotionally charged situations which I think is really bucking against human nature. I can't think that any but the most debased parents could calmly surrender their child, yet that is what police expect people to do. I'm not saying that anyone should resist arrest - they shouldn't - but interpreting any verbal protest or expression of unhappiness at being arrested as "resisting" is bullshit. To my mind, yelling alone isn't a form of "resistance" requiring physical response.

I do think some police (not all, but definitely some) are way to ready to taser people without finding alternative means of resolving the problem. Particularly in this case, merely stepping away from this man, out of his reach, would go far to mitigating the threat level. I don't think most able-bodied people appreciate how intimidating/threatening it can be for someone of already limited mobility to be further restrained. They should NOT have left him lying on the ground with his pants down, that is, frankly, inexcusable. If they actually caused his shoulder injury he should be compensated in some way, as the impact of such an injury is significantly greater than for someone able-bodied.

I also think society is far too ready to call in a domestic disturbance for impoverished dark skinned people or make accusations of child abuse or drug abuse, and authorities are far too quick to pull children from poor homes on strictly hearsay evidence. Absolutely children need to be protected, but far too many people think poverty alone is child "abuse", which makes it all to easy to make "take the children away" the default.

As usual, we don't have all the information in this situation. It appears excessive force was used. I would like to point out that the available video seems to show the situation after the tasering and handcuffing, not the actual disputed actions, a video of which would be the only means of truly settling the question.
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Winston Blake wrote: Note bolded sections. Note also the difference between the stock justification for taser use (a substitute for deadly force) vs the reality: so-called 'pain compliance'. The 'deadly force' argument was used to push through tasers in Australia recently. It's sound, but only with firm regulation, and 'self-regulation' is really 'no regulation'.
Actually, that is the reality. Example - Before tasers a person with a knife could only be dealt by containing and waiting for someone with a special tool such as rubber bullets or another standoff impact device. Since these items are expensive the thing to do was surround, contain, and then wait and hope that this person doesn't decide to attack because if that person did attack then the only smart option was to shoot them. The taser gives first responders an option to end the situation without having to wait.

Pepper spray or OC spray for most people is a much worse experience because it usually does result in breathing problems. I know for me when I experienced it I really though that they might have had to call an ambulance. The taser I felt just fine afterwards.

A baton should be obvious. Baton attacks are trained to be very powerful strikes to the limbs so the fight is over quickly and repeated strikes won't be necessary. However, because the strikes being delivered are powerful injuries such as fractured bones do happen.
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Broomstick wrote:I am not stating that Williams resisted arrest or not, however, I must take exception to the notion that a legless man can't physically resist or be physically violent. He probably has greater than typical upper body strength from using his arms to get around. Clearly, the emphasis on him being a double-amputee is a ploy to garner sympathy. That status would certainly make it much more difficult for him to flee, but prior to the shoulder injury there wasn't anything wrong with his arms. I could see where police called to a domestic disturbance - historically one of the more dangerous situations for officers - confronted with a yelling, belligerent man with two healthy arms might have concerns for their physical safety.
This is very true. I know of an officer that worked for my department whose leg was cut open by a man in a wheelchair. Wheelchairs are great places to hide weapons.
On the flip side, the police I think were misinterpreting him hanging onto his wheelchair as resisting arrest but I think what he said - he was trying to avoid falling - is actually the truth in that case. I think police overall has a nasty, nasty habit of expecting people to comply meekly with the orders, including surrendering their children to strangers during emotionally charged situations which I think is really bucking against human nature. I can't think that any but the most debased parents could calmly surrender their child, yet that is what police expect people to do. I'm not saying that anyone should resist arrest - they shouldn't - but interpreting any verbal protest or expression of unhappiness at being arrested as "resisting" is bullshit. To my mind, yelling alone isn't a form of "resistance" requiring physical response.
I agree. However, keep in mind the report states the officers attempted to reason with Williams. Now, whether that was "do this or go to jail" or an honest attempt at reasoning we'll never know.
I do think some police (not all, but definitely some) are way to ready to taser people without finding alternative means of resolving the problem. Particularly in this case, merely stepping away from this man, out of his reach, would go far to mitigating the threat level. I don't think most able-bodied people appreciate how intimidating/threatening it can be for someone of already limited mobility to be further restrained. They should NOT have left him lying on the ground with his pants down, that is, frankly, inexcusable. If they actually caused his shoulder injury he should be compensated in some way, as the impact of such an injury is significantly greater than for someone able-bodied.
Sure, stepping away would have probably mitigated the threat level but you forget that he was being placed under arrest. Had they searched him for weapons at that point? It can be unsafe to break physical contact unless gaining distance would be a better option. I don't know if it would be in this case or not. However, just keep in mind they'd still have to arrest him after they disengaged.

Now, officers are usually quick to taser because they generally cause the least amount of injury. Furthermore, this officer "drive stunned" Williams which is a lot different than the typical probe deployed taser that is so infamous in the news.

I do agree that leaving him with his pants down was absolutely wrong, but did they notice this? They probably did but you never know...
I also think society is far too ready to call in a domestic disturbance for impoverished dark skinned people or make accusations of child abuse or drug abuse, and authorities are far too quick to pull children from poor homes on strictly hearsay evidence. Absolutely children need to be protected, but far too many people think poverty alone is child "abuse", which makes it all to easy to make "take the children away" the default.
Maybe. However, police and DCFS are required to respond when called. I doubt the police and DCFS just randomly chose this house.
As usual, we don't have all the information in this situation. It appears excessive force was used. I would like to point out that the available video seems to show the situation after the tasering and handcuffing, not the actual disputed actions, a video of which would be the only means of truly settling the question.
It's clear that they did taser him. It's also clear that there was some misunderstanding that resulted in the tasering. However, based on the information the officers had at the time was the use of a taser reasonable to effect the arrest?
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Broomstick wrote:I am not stating that Williams resisted arrest or not, however, I must take exception to the notion that a legless man can't physically resist or be physically violent. He probably has greater than typical upper body strength from using his arms to get around. Clearly, the emphasis on him being a double-amputee is a ploy to garner sympathy. That status would certainly make it much more difficult for him to flee, but prior to the shoulder injury there wasn't anything wrong with his arms. I could see where police called to a domestic disturbance - historically one of the more dangerous situations for officers - confronted with a yelling, belligerent man with two healthy arms might have concerns for their physical safety.
This is very true. I know of an officer that worked for my department whose leg was cut open by a man in a wheelchair. Wheelchairs are great places to hide weapons.
I know about disabled people being a potential hazard in part because my disabled husband has on occasion successfully fought off (and seriously injured) muggers who thought he was an easy target because of his difficulty walking. My oldest sister, who taught self-defense, had also helped some disabled people learn modified techniques by which to defend themselves. As pointed out, wheelchairs can hide weapons. So can canes, braces, and artificial limbs. I know a blind woman whose dog once took on multiple attackers in her defense, and, being a dog, I could see where an assistance dog might interpret a police officer as a threat even when he or she is not. Certainly, if one can defend oneself, one can also be an aggressor as well.

Disabled does not always mean helpless. I'm sure every police veteran has stories of little old ladies or men in wheelchairs causing mayhem and injury.
I agree. However, keep in mind the report states the officers attempted to reason with Williams. Now, whether that was "do this or go to jail" or an honest attempt at reasoning we'll never know.
That's why I'd be more impressed with a video of the actual altercation. A lot of citizen video shows what happened after the dispute. What I'm impressed by is what we almost never have - the actual video of shit going down.
Sure, stepping away would have probably mitigated the threat level but you forget that he was being placed under arrest. Had they searched him for weapons at that point? It can be unsafe to break physical contact unless gaining distance would be a better option. I don't know if it would be in this case or not. However, just keep in mind they'd still have to arrest him after they disengaged.
Yes, and to me any such situation is very much a judgment call. Do you back down and hope the person calms down? Do you move onwards and potentially have the situation escalate? Even mundane objects can become weapons - people have been stabbed with ballpoint pens, for example - and the officer has to consider that, because I don't know any cop that signed on to get hurt, they want to avoid that.

It's tricky, there's no doubt about that. That's one reason why in-car video cameras are becoming more and more common in cop and trooper vehicles, so that if there's a question later there's more than just "he said/she said" by which to determine the facts.
I do agree that leaving him with his pants down was absolutely wrong, but did they notice this? They probably did but you never know...
Cops are human - I could see them not be particularly quick to pull up the pants of a belligerent, combative person. I can also see bystanders exaggerating the duration of genital exposure. I could see both happening at the same scene.
Maybe. However, police and DCFS are required to respond when called. I doubt the police and DCFS just randomly chose this house.
Oh, absolutely they have to respond to these calls - it's just that since the police and DCFS are the face of authority they bear the brunt of the animosity. The complainers can't get to those who called the complaint in, so they dump on the ones who have to enforce the rules.
As usual, we don't have all the information in this situation. It appears excessive force was used. I would like to point out that the available video seems to show the situation after the tasering and handcuffing, not the actual disputed actions, a video of which would be the only means of truly settling the question.
It's clear that they did taser him. It's also clear that there was some misunderstanding that resulted in the tasering. However, based on the information the officers had at the time was the use of a taser reasonable to effect the arrest?
Absent video of the actual incident from beginning to end I don't think we'll ever know.
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As usual, we don't have all the information in this situation. It appears excessive force was used. I would like to point out that the available video seems to show the situation after the tasering and handcuffing, not the actual disputed actions, a video of which would be the only means of truly settling the question.
It's clear that they did taser him. It's also clear that there was some misunderstanding that resulted in the tasering. However, based on the information the officers had at the time was the use of a taser reasonable to effect the arrest?
Absent video of the actual incident from beginning to end I don't think we'll ever know.
It can be tricky to film people with tasers and police authority while they're in the process of tasering people and exercising their police authority. See the quotes from the story below.
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A tenant in the apartment complex, 36-year-old Clifton Alexander Allison, was also arrested on suspicion of carrying an illegal weapon (a double-bladed folding knife) and with resisting arrest...
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As the officers began taking Williams into custody, a crowd of 10 to 15 people began to approach the police. A member of the crowd, Clifton Allison, walked toward Pinnegar, yelling, "Leave him alone you [bleeping] bitch," the report said.

Pinnegar placed the cartridge back into his Taser, pointed it at Allison and called police dispatch to request backup units. Although Pinnegar instructed Allison to back away, he continued to come toward the officer, shouting to leave Williams alone.

More officers arrived, and Allison was placed in a patrol car "due to the fact he was enticing other people in the area while we were trying to take Williams into custody," Pinnegar wrote in his report...
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Shells said Allison refused to stop filming the incident, saying, "Well, everyone else is." Shells said the officer then arrested Allison, although he didn't resist, and willingly placed his hands behind his back. In addition, Shells said she believes police deleted the video footage of the incident from the phone. "Before they gave it back to me, I saw a cop going through my phone," Shells said.

When asked about Shells' claims about the phone and the circumstances surrounding Allison's arrest, Higdon declined comment, saying that's also part of the department's internal affairs investigation.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:Actually, that is the reality.
Sorry, I was unclear - I was not implying that tasers are not a substitute for deadly force, I was saying that they're not used for that purpose exclusively, as is usually advertised.
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Electronic Village has documented 36 deaths related to tasers in the past year alone.
This blog has been pointing out incidents of police taser torture for quite awhile. The work done over the past few years by Patti Gillman and Cameron Ward inspired this post. Gillman and Ward documented over 400 taser-related deaths in North America on their blog.

Pam's House Blend shared information on taser abuse. However, nothing seems to be able to stop the continued taser-related killings.

Our blog has documented 36 taser-related deaths in the United States since the beginning of the year:

1. Jan 9, 2009: Derrick Jones, 17, Black, Martinsville, Virginia

2. Jan 11, 2009: Rodolfo Lepe, 31, Hispanic, Bakersfield, California

3. Jan 22, 2009: Roger Redden, 52, Caucasian, Soddy Daisy, Tennessee

4. Feb 2, 2009: Garrett Jones, 45, Caucasian, Stockton, California

5. Feb 11, 2009: Richard Lua, 28, Hispanic, San Jose, California

6. Feb 13, 2009: Rudolph Byrd, 37, Black, Thomasville, Georgia

7. Feb 13, 2009: Michael Jones, 43, Black, Iberia, Louisiana

8. Feb 14, 2009: Chenard Kierre Winfield, 32, Black, Los Angeles, California

9. Feb 28, 2009: Robert Lee Welch, 40, Caucasian, Conroe, Texas

10. Mar 22, 2009: Brett Elder, 15, Caucasian, Bay City, Michigan

11. Mar 26, 2009: Marcus D. Moore, 40, Black, Freeport, Illinois

12. Apr 1, 2009: John J. Meier Jr., 48, Caucasian, Tamarac, Florida

13. Apr 6, 2009: Ricardo Varela, 41, Hispanic, Fresno, California

14. Apr 10, 2009: Robert Mitchell, 16, Black, Detroit, Michigan

15. Apr 16, 2009: Gary A. Decker, 50, Black, Tuscon, Arizona

16. Apr 18, 2009: Michael Jacobs Jr., 24, Black, Fort Worth, Texas

17. Apr 30, 2009: Kevin LaDay, 35, Black, Lumberton, Texas

18. May 4, 2009: Gilbert Tafoya, 53, Caucasian, Holbrook, Arizona

19. May 17, 2009: Jamaal Valentine, 27, Black, La Marque, Texas

20. May 23, 2009: Gregory Rold, 37, Black, Salem, Oregon

21. Jun 9, 2009: Brian Cardall, 32, Caucasian, Hurricane, Utah

22. Jun 13, 2009: Dwight Madison, 48, Black, Bel Air, Maryland

23. Jun 20, 2009 Derrek Kairney, 36, Race: Unknown, South Windsor, Connecticut

24. Jun 30, 2009, Shawn Iinuma, 37, Race: Unknown, Fontana, California

25. Jul 2, 2009, Rory McKenzie, 25, Black, Bakersfield, California

26. Jul 20, 2009, Charles Anthony Torrence, 35, Caucasion, Simi Valley, California

27. Jul 30, 2009, Johnathan Michael Nelson, 27, Caucasion, Riverside County, California

28. Aug 9, 2009, Terrace Clifton Smith, 52, Race: Unknown, Moreno Valley, California

29. Aug 12, 2009, Ernest Ridlehuber, 53, Race: Unknown, Greenville, South Carolina

30. Aug 14, 2009, Hakim Jackson, 31, Black, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

31. Aug 18, 2009, Ronald Eugene Cobbs, 38, Black, Greensboro, North Carolina

32. Aug 20, 2009, Francisco Sesate, 36, Hispanic, Mesa, Arizona

33. Aug 22, 2009, T.J. Nance, 37, Race: Unknown, Arizona City, Arizona

34. Aug 26, 2009, Unidentified Man, Age: TBD, Race: Unknown, Los Angeles, California

35. Sep 3, 2009, Shane Ledbetter, Age: 38, Caucasian, Aurora, Colorado

36. Sep 21, 2009, Richard Battistata, Age: 44, Race: Unknown, Laredo, Texas

I think it is worth noting that 42% of these taser-torture killings occurred against African American men. We make up about 6% of the total population, yet 42% of the taser-related deaths in America this year are Black men.
Is there anyone who actually disagrees with the idea that tasers should be regulated to only be used in situations where the officer or someone else is in physical danger, and only that situation?
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The problem with saying "only when someone is in physical danger" is that that state is open to interpretation. Unless you say the tasers have to be held back until someone actually gets hurt, but I don't think that will sit well with the cops (who for the most part really don't want to see anyone get hurt) or the general public who want to be protected from harm.

There will always be borderline cases. I'm sorry, that's just reality. That's why there's an automatic investigation every time a police officer fires a shot (or even draws a gun in some localities). It acts as a check on that authority. Perhaps there should be an investigation every time a taser is used, or drawn, if that doesn't exist already.

I remember the days when the police had the choice of shooting someone or beating them with a baton and not much else. It wouldn't surprise me if more people died resisting arrest back then than now. Certainly it takes longer to recover from a bullet wound than a shock. Tasers aren't pleasant - really, they're designed to be UNpleasant, that's their deterrent effect - and unfortunately some people are more vulnerable to electric shocks than others, and sometimes police overstep their authority, and sometimes due to a lack of communication things go to shit.

Absolutely we need to keep an eye on taser use, but I think there's a note of hysteria and a default assumption that every use of a taser is an abuse among some folks.
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Dominus Atheos wrote:
Is there anyone who actually disagrees with the idea that tasers should be regulated to only be used in situations where the officer or someone else is in physical danger, and only that situation?
How about anyone who is actively resisting or fleeing? Also, would you have lighter restrictions for drive stun deployments, which to my knowledge has not be linked to any deaths.
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Dominus Atheos wrote:Electronic Village has documented 36 deaths related to tasers in the past year alone.
This blog has been pointing out incidents of police taser torture for quite awhile. The work done over the past few years by Patti Gillman and Cameron Ward inspired this post. Gillman and Ward documented over 400 taser-related deaths in North America on their blog.

Pam's House Blend shared information on taser abuse. However, nothing seems to be able to stop the continued taser-related killings.

Our blog has documented 36 taser-related deaths in the United States since the beginning of the year:

1. Jan 9, 2009: Derrick Jones, 17, Black, Martinsville, Virginia

2. Jan 11, 2009: Rodolfo Lepe, 31, Hispanic, Bakersfield, California

3. Jan 22, 2009: Roger Redden, 52, Caucasian, Soddy Daisy, Tennessee

4. Feb 2, 2009: Garrett Jones, 45, Caucasian, Stockton, California

5. Feb 11, 2009: Richard Lua, 28, Hispanic, San Jose, California

6. Feb 13, 2009: Rudolph Byrd, 37, Black, Thomasville, Georgia

7. Feb 13, 2009: Michael Jones, 43, Black, Iberia, Louisiana

8. Feb 14, 2009: Chenard Kierre Winfield, 32, Black, Los Angeles, California

9. Feb 28, 2009: Robert Lee Welch, 40, Caucasian, Conroe, Texas

10. Mar 22, 2009: Brett Elder, 15, Caucasian, Bay City, Michigan

11. Mar 26, 2009: Marcus D. Moore, 40, Black, Freeport, Illinois

12. Apr 1, 2009: John J. Meier Jr., 48, Caucasian, Tamarac, Florida

13. Apr 6, 2009: Ricardo Varela, 41, Hispanic, Fresno, California

14. Apr 10, 2009: Robert Mitchell, 16, Black, Detroit, Michigan

15. Apr 16, 2009: Gary A. Decker, 50, Black, Tuscon, Arizona

16. Apr 18, 2009: Michael Jacobs Jr., 24, Black, Fort Worth, Texas

17. Apr 30, 2009: Kevin LaDay, 35, Black, Lumberton, Texas

18. May 4, 2009: Gilbert Tafoya, 53, Caucasian, Holbrook, Arizona

19. May 17, 2009: Jamaal Valentine, 27, Black, La Marque, Texas

20. May 23, 2009: Gregory Rold, 37, Black, Salem, Oregon

21. Jun 9, 2009: Brian Cardall, 32, Caucasian, Hurricane, Utah

22. Jun 13, 2009: Dwight Madison, 48, Black, Bel Air, Maryland

23. Jun 20, 2009 Derrek Kairney, 36, Race: Unknown, South Windsor, Connecticut

24. Jun 30, 2009, Shawn Iinuma, 37, Race: Unknown, Fontana, California

25. Jul 2, 2009, Rory McKenzie, 25, Black, Bakersfield, California

26. Jul 20, 2009, Charles Anthony Torrence, 35, Caucasion, Simi Valley, California

27. Jul 30, 2009, Johnathan Michael Nelson, 27, Caucasion, Riverside County, California

28. Aug 9, 2009, Terrace Clifton Smith, 52, Race: Unknown, Moreno Valley, California

29. Aug 12, 2009, Ernest Ridlehuber, 53, Race: Unknown, Greenville, South Carolina

30. Aug 14, 2009, Hakim Jackson, 31, Black, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

31. Aug 18, 2009, Ronald Eugene Cobbs, 38, Black, Greensboro, North Carolina

32. Aug 20, 2009, Francisco Sesate, 36, Hispanic, Mesa, Arizona

33. Aug 22, 2009, T.J. Nance, 37, Race: Unknown, Arizona City, Arizona

34. Aug 26, 2009, Unidentified Man, Age: TBD, Race: Unknown, Los Angeles, California

35. Sep 3, 2009, Shane Ledbetter, Age: 38, Caucasian, Aurora, Colorado

36. Sep 21, 2009, Richard Battistata, Age: 44, Race: Unknown, Laredo, Texas

I think it is worth noting that 42% of these taser-torture killings occurred against African American men. We make up about 6% of the total population, yet 42% of the taser-related deaths in America this year are Black men.
In many of those you'll also find the presence of alcohol, drugs, or both. Also, a few of those were on persons that would have met your recommendation for proper taser use.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Anyone have any suggestions on how corrupt policemen can be removed from the system, and held accountable for breaking the laws they are paid to uphold? Personally, I wonder if it would be feasible to mandate a camera and tape recorder in every police car and interrogation room, to ensure that officers can't cover up behavior like this after the fact.
car cameras are standard these days and recording interview rooms is also used very frequently as it is good to have the confession on tape so that the crook can't recant later and say he never admitted to the crime.
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true and when found guilty of such, they are.
Cameras et al can and should be mandated in police vehicles and uniforms, with severe penalties for removal, tampering, being turned off, covering up, or being hampered, hindered, destroyed, or otherwise made inactive or ineffective. They would be redundant, of course, and some would be hidden, others obviously visible. Off-duty police officers effectively become ordinary citizens for as long as they are off-duty.
there is a few problems with your wanting to mandate that cameras be on uniforms, in Texas it is mandated that cars have cameras so you are late on that one. But for the uniform thing, where would you put one? my department recently tested a camera that is built into the remote mic for hand held radios but the problem was the battery did not last very long (maybe 3 hours of a 8 hour shift) and you never know where it is pointed as it just hangs there and flops about.
Misdemeanors get the policeman in question suspended without pay as he gets sent back to school, because he obviously wasn't trained well enough. This is in addition to whatever charge the misdemeanor incurs.
back to school? do you mean the academy? if so that is just dumb. and what kind of misdemeanors? are you talking even low level traffic tickets? or county charges and up? if you are convicted of a class B misdemeanor or above, here you lose your job(class B and above are county or state charges). trying to send an officer "back to school" for a speeding ticket would be dumb.
Felonies are much more severe. In addition to whatever sentence the felony incurs, the policeman in question is stripped of his badge and rank. Depending on the severity of the felony, he might be able to get his badge back, but only after he goes through the academy again, and this time with more strict requirements. Serious felonies like murder, however, means that the policeman in question can never become a policeman again (not that he can when he's serving two life sentences). Additional penalties can be applied based on how much the policeman abused his power, left to the judge's discretion.
ok, seriously if a police officer is convicted of a felony he loses his job and I don't know of any department ANYWHERE that will hire him/her after that. Not to mention that a felony conviction is a permanent disqualifier in all departments I know of.
Corruption is based on connections. Therefore any police department worth its salt should make sure that connections can't be abused without absurd requirements (such as the entire county covering up a drug plant). Policemen would be required to interact with many different people, some of them close and familiar, some of them not. Ideally, policemen would be rotated to different locations at random intervals to help prevent blue walls from forming, but I don't know how feasible that is.
I am not even sure what you are going on about here.
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Wait a moment.
The man who was Tasered, 40-year-old Gregory Williams, a double-leg amputee, spent six days in jail on suspicion of domestic violence and resisting arrest, although the Merced County District Attorney's Office hasn't filed charges in the case.
I can't be sure, but isn't 6 days too long for no charges?
While at the hospital, Williams, without being advised of his Miranda Rights, apologized to Pinnegar for "acting up," saying he was only trying to protect his daughter. He also told Pinnegar that he'd never struck his wife, according to Pinnegar's report.
He was arrested, without being mirandized? Excuse me?

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Re: Police taser legless amputee in wheelchair

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SirNitram wrote:Wait a moment.
The man who was Tasered, 40-year-old Gregory Williams, a double-leg amputee, spent six days in jail on suspicion of domestic violence and resisting arrest, although the Merced County District Attorney's Office hasn't filed charges in the case.
I can't be sure, but isn't 6 days too long for no charges?
Yes, that is suspicious but it would help to have more particulars.
While at the hospital, Williams, without being advised of his Miranda Rights, apologized to Pinnegar for "acting up," saying he was only trying to protect his daughter. He also told Pinnegar that he'd never struck his wife, according to Pinnegar's report.
He was arrested, without being mirandized? Excuse me?
He may not have actually been arrested until after he was taken to the hospital. Given that he had fallen out of his wheelchair the police might have taken him to the hospital before actually arresting him to cover their asses in the event he might have been seriously hurt.
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Re: Police taser legless amputee in wheelchair

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SirNitram wrote: I can't be sure, but isn't 6 days too long for no charges?
We'd have to find out if that is normal or not. I know a lot of places have a set amount of days that charges must be filed before its simply tossed away.

He was arrested, without being mirandized? Excuse me?

Set fire to them.
The only time you need to mirandize anyone is when they're not free to leave and being questioned. If you don't then anything they've said during that time can't be used against them in court. It doesn't make the arrest invalid...unless you're decision to arrest was based off what they said. In this case the reason to arrest was what the officers observed.
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