O'Reilly Supports Public Option on show.

[Thanas]

Oh, I guess since he is not playing along with the rascist[sic] party line anymore, he can now be critizised at whim, right?

This is an amusingly ironic statement from you, Thanas, O Herald of the Ubermensch.

You know, asshole, there are a couple of words you should never call a German. And now you have crossed that line from flaming to hate-speech. Screw you for even implying that I support anything that has resulted in the death of millions, including half my family. I am not going to flame you to bits and pieces right now, because I think that you did not really think through what you just said, but I definitely expect an apology for this.

Also - show me when I have ever condoned anything that endorses übermenschen (the least you could do is to spell the word right).

Did you compare notes with Elfdart? You are saying, directly, that I'm a (Republican) party line hack, and therefore racist. And I'm criticizing O'Reilly because he's not sufficiently racist. I'll give you the same answer I gave Elfdart: Fuck. You.

You are consistently saying that people who act like this have any sort of legitimate argument. So no, you are not a rascist, but you are defending people who definitely are. And you do it vocally, even when the issue is something like their stupidity when complaining about the Metro after arguing against it being improved in the first place.

[Count Chocula]

When I wrote "ubermensch" I was thinking Master Race; at the time I wrote it, I literally was not thinking about the Jewish angle, but about the black racism. Regardless, my comment to you was, now that I see it again, in execrably bad taste. I apologize.

[Thanas]

Accepted, no hard feelings.

[Bluewolf]

Poor taste Chocula but I wont dogpile you on something already sorted out.

Anyway I would argue that Bill could just be a far less extreme Conservative. He seems to act like one but just not to an extent of people like Beck. It's simple really as people can be on varying degrees of extremity on a politcal scale. IIRC I think he did accept Obama somewhat but I can't remember as it was a long time ago (back in the election hype).

[Dominus Atheos]

He's denying he ever said it.



Transcript:

GOLDBERG: Bill, Bill, don’t shoot the messenger. Right? I’m your friend. I’m telling you this as a friend. You also said, “If the government can cobble together a cheaper insurance policy that gives the same benefits, I see that as a plus for the folks.” Now, I know what you meant by that.

O’REILLY: But I clarified it: private hands.

GOLDBERG: You did. You absolute — you absolutely did. But you’re a big prize for the left. But they can get… What I’m saying is when — when you say — when you say if the government can cobble…

O’REILLY: I clarified. I know what you’re saying, but it’s just drives me crazy that you can’t have an honest dialogue in this country anymore.

It's been a few days, so I'll repost Nit's transcript:

NINA OWCHARENKO: Well, it has massive new federal regulation. So you don’t necessarily need a public option if the federal government is going to control and regulate the type of health insurance that Americans can buy.

O’REILLY: But you know, I want that, Ms. Owcharenko. I want that. I want, not for personally for me, but for working Americans, to have a option, that if they don’t like their health insurance, if it’s too expensive, they can’t afford it, if the government can cobble together a cheaper insurance policy that gives the same benefits, I see that as a plus for the folks.

Strange I sure don't see the words "private hands", but do see "the government".

[Ryan Thunder]

Well nobody saw that coming.

[CmdrWilkens]

Okay, yup, so much for that tiny shred of optimism that he wasn't a total douche jut 90% of one. Though I maintain we were better off waiting for him to do this than presume he would up front.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I'm still waiting for Chocula to explain why O'Reilly really isn't a conservative...

[Darksider]

you know, this is just fucking sad.

I said it before, i'll say it again. These people do not realize that the words that they say ON NATIONAL TELEVISION, are recorded for posterity. Can someone tell me how the fuck they can get away with this?

He just BLATANTLY LIED in his "retraction." When was the last time that broadcast media were held to some kind of standards in this country? He just BLATANTLY LIED on the air, and there's no one taking him to task for this (Unless Kieth Olbermann works it into countdown) A white house official gets caught calling the republicans "assholes" (IE: telling the truth) and gets shitcanned within the week. O'rly bald-faced fucking lies on his show, and you all fucking know damn well that this IS NOT the first time he's done it, and nothing happens to him.

So, to recap:

The broadcast media have no standards, the democrats have no spine, and the conservatives have no soul.

Yep, sounds like business as usual in the united shithole of america.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Come on Chocula, you made an assertion about O'Reilly's status as a legitimate conservative, I want to see you back that up.

[RRoan]

you know, this is just fucking sad.

I said it before, i'll say it again. These people do not realize that the words that they say ON NATIONAL TELEVISION, are recorded for posterity. Can someone tell me how the fuck they can get away with this?

He just BLATANTLY LIED in his "retraction." When was the last time that broadcast media were held to some kind of standards in this country? He just BLATANTLY LIED on the air, and there's no one taking him to task for this (Unless Kieth Olbermann works it into countdown) A white house official gets caught calling the republicans "assholes" (IE: telling the truth) and gets shitcanned within the week. O'rly bald-faced fucking lies on his show, and you all fucking know damn well that this IS NOT the first time he's done it, and nothing happens to him.

Fox has had their right to lie on television upheld in court, you know. Of course, that just makes it even more sad, so...

[Count Chocula]

Come on Chocula, you made an assertion about O'Reilly's status as a legitimate conservative, I want to see you back that up.

[whine]Damn, I really don't want to exercise my Google-fu and dredge up O'Reilly's not being a legitimate conservative. Do I hafffta?[/whine] What strikes me about O'Reilly is that he's inconsistent, he talks over and is rude to his guests, and as Darksider observed won't own up in a retraction, ie lied about his position. I contrast that to arch-conservative Limbaugh: he sticks to facts, and when he puts his bias to his comments sticks to facts; Mark Levin sticks to facts and verifiable news; Beck, at his best (ACORN videos come to mind not his three part OMG TEOTWAWKI!!1!1 series) sticks to facts. Quinn & Rose out of PA, who are vehemently against Obama's policies and apparently most of his administration, stick to facts. None of them have been called out for lying or inconsistency in their positions, to my knowledge.

Hmm. Maybe I don't like O'Reilly because I just think he's an asshole.

EDIT: Added Quinn & Rose because I listen to them on XM on the way to work. Bill Bennett on XM166 is just boring and annoying.

[Duckie]

Haha, yeah, Limbaugh sticks to facts. And if you lie you can't be a conservative, according to Chocula, which is why O'Reily isn't a conservative. And Conservatives always stick to facts, because they're the true and correct people.

I'd be sarcastic but instead just read Chocula's post again but in my voice being sarcastic and it'd be the same thing.

[Darksider]

Saying O'Reilly's not a legitimate conservative because he's a boorish ass sounds dangerously close to a no true scotsman fellacy Chocula. Has he ever expressed views contrary to the conservative position on a major issue, aside from a casual remark that he later retracted? I mean seriously come out in favor of a non conservative position. I can't recall it ever happening.

Is he respected by conservatives? Well he's constantly touting his own ratings, so someone must be watching his goddamn show. If conservatives don't listen to or agree with anything he says, there should be plenty of poll data to prove it, why don't you show us some?

The simple fact is that you can't label O'Reilly a non-legitimate conservative because you don't like him. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't like him over at fox, what with him being an asshole and all. You actually have to show some proof that he's done more than pay lip service to being a moderate, that he's actually come out in favor of a moderate position or disagreed with the conservatives on a major issue. I know I sure as hell haven't seen any.

[Ritterin Sophia]

It's not dangerously close, DS, it outright is a No True Scotsman.

[Darksider]

It's not dangerously close, DS, it outright is a No True Scotsman.

I've outright charged him to provide evidence of O'Reilly doing something other than parroting the dittohead chorus ('cause that's gonna happen) and I intend to keep repeating that request every time he posts some anecdotal bullshit about how O'Reilly's an ass, and how that makes him not a "true conservative."

From this point it's a waiting game to see if the mods come in and shut him up, or he scampers of like a scared little bitch because he's run out of talking points.

[Count Chocula]

The simple fact is that you can't label O'Reilly a non-legitimate conservative because you don't like him. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't like him over at fox, what with him being an asshole and all. You actually have to show some proof that he's done more than pay lip service to being a moderate, that he's actually come out in favor of a moderate position or disagreed with the conservatives on a major issue. I know I sure as hell haven't seen any.

Since I don't watch or hear enough O'Reilly to do a sufficiently in-depth analysis of his talking points, and am unwilling to spend the time to prove my argument either way, I withdraw my contention and concede your No True Scotsman assertion. I just think he's an asshole.