Newsmax column suggesting military coup against Obama

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Technically, the Smith Act is still in effect, even though it hasn't been enforced for about fifty years. Is there any possibility of prosecuting these fascist douchenozzles for sedition?

[Thanas]

^And give them more "reasons" to screech? Right now, the mainstream will go "these guys are crazy". If Obama starts bringing out McCarthy-esque laws and enforces them against them, the narrative will quickly turn to "Obama = McCarthy".

That is not a smart thing to do.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Yeah, I think you're stretching on the Kentucky Federal worker murder there. It doesn't take waves of conservative nutbaggery for isolationist dicktards in a backwater state to kill someone because they're a Federal employee. As far as killing sprees . . . what?

So you're going to deny that Appalachians are adversely affected by conservatives shouting Obamanazi? Where were the Kentucky Fed Killers before the mental breakdown nearly the entirety of the Right Wing in America following Obama's presidency?

As for the killing sprees: Keith Luke starts killing Jews & 'non-whites' in January, Dannie Roy Baker begins killing Chilean students fearing that the immigrants are taking over in February, Richard Poplawski kills three police officers in Pittsburgh because he was afraid the government was taking his guns in April, May was when Dr Tiller was killed, June was the crazy white supremacist who shot up the Holocaust Museum, July sees Shawna Ford who had connections with the Minutemen killed a 9 year old hispanic girl and her father. That's just the first half of the year. I'm to believe these people weren't also influenced by the lunatic ravings of conservatives in and out of the main media?

[The Spartan]

So you're going to deny that Appalachians are adversely affected by conservatives shouting Obamanazi? Where were the Kentucky Fed Killers before the mental breakdown nearly the entirety of the Right Wing in America following Obama's presidency?

More to the point, where was that happening at the last census? I don't recall that happening. Hell, I had a census worker give me the questions in person in my apartment at the time.

Come to think of it, when was the last time a census worker was murdered on duty?

[General Zod]

So you're going to deny that Appalachians are adversely affected by conservatives shouting Obamanazi? Where were the Kentucky Fed Killers before the mental breakdown nearly the entirety of the Right Wing in America following Obama's presidency?

Then why don't you pony up some actual evidence that the Kentucky murder was a direct result of anti-Obama sympathy and not just general anti-government xenophobic bullshit?

As for the killing sprees: Keith Luke starts killing Jews & 'non-whites' in January, Dannie Roy Baker begins killing Chilean students fearing that the immigrants are taking over in February, Richard Poplawski kills three police officers in Pittsburgh because he was afraid the government was taking his guns in April, May was when Dr Tiller was killed, June was the crazy white supremacist who shot up the Holocaust Museum, July sees Shawna Ford who had connections with the Minutemen killed a 9 year old hispanic girl and her father. That's just the first half of the year. I'm to believe these people weren't also influenced by the lunatic ravings of conservatives in and out of the main media?

Your definition of what constitutes a killing spree is rather different from the rest of the world.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Then why don't you pony up some actual evidence that the Kentucky murder was a direct result of anti-Obama sympathy and not just general anti-government xenophobic bullshit?

Again, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE ANTI-GOVERNMENT XENOPHOBIA COMES FROM!?

Your definition of what constitutes a killing spree is rather different from the rest of the world.

For the love of... you don't get hyperbole do you? Here let me assuage your ego, "I was wrong, I meant to say, 'It seems we can't go a month without a conservative wingnut deciding nows the time to kill someone." I apologise for the hyperbole."

There does that make you feel better?

[General Zod]

Again, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE ANTI-GOVERNMENT XENOPHOBIA COMES FROM!?

It was around well before Obama existed. But you don't seem to have any evidence, so shut up.

For the love of... you don't get hyperbole do you? Here let me assuage your ego, "I was wrong, I meant to say, 'It seems we can't go a month without a conservative wingnut deciding nows the time to kill someone." I apologise for the hyperbole."

There does that make you feel better?

Why don't you fuck off and take the histrionics elsewhere? If you're going to use hyperbole then at least use hyperbole that isn't retarded.

[Ritterin Sophia]

It was around well before Obama existed. But you don't seem to have any evidence, so shut up.

No, I'm making the claim that there's a corollary between the excessively lunatic ravings that the right-wing is supporting in their main media outlet now that a black democrat is in charge and the large uptick in right-wing motivated extremism. You're saying the extremism existed before this, which is true to a certain extent. However, it did not exist to the extent that it seems to be now and census workers weren't being killed for being Federally employed.

Why don't you fuck off and take the histrionics elsewhere? If you're going to use hyperbole then at least use hyperbole that isn't retarded.

It's not retarded, half of those WERE fucking attempts at killing sprees, the other half had fewer victims, but it didn't change the point of the post: Conservative's are throwing more fuel on the far right's fire with their attempts to whip conservatives into a frenzy of outrage.

[General Zod]

It was around well before Obama existed. But you don't seem to have any evidence, so shut up.

No, I'm making the claim that there's a corollary between the excessively lunatic ravings that the right-wing is supporting in their main media outlet now that a black democrat is in charge and the large uptick in right-wing motivated extremism. You're saying the extremism existed before this, which is true to a certain extent. However, it did not exist to the extent that it seems to be now and census workers weren't being killed for being Federally employed.

I'm saying you need proof. Correlation does not equal causation. This is not a difficult concept to grasp.

[Duckie]

Oh please. The man who shot up the Unitarian Church because they were Liberals left a suicide note stating he wanted to kill Pelosi, Reid, and Obama and other "traitors" but couldn't so instead would symbolically kill some liberal footsoldiers, and owned dozens of Glenn Beck, O'Reilly, etc. books.

Finding a man holding a gun next to a dead body and concluding he killed the person isn't a logical fallacy, neither is the idea of violent anti-government rhetoric causing violent anti-government action.

[General Zod]

Oh please. The man who shot up the Unitarian Church because they were Liberals left a suicide note stating he wanted to kill Pelosi, Reid, and Obama and other "traitors" but couldn't so instead would symbolically kill some liberal footsoldiers, and owned dozens of Glenn Beck, O'Reilly, etc. books.

Finding a man holding a gun next to a dead body and concluding he killed the person isn't a logical fallacy, neither is the idea of violent anti-government rhetoric causing violent anti-government action.

For anyone paying attention to the Kentucky murder, the neighborhood the census worker was found was known for problems with prescription drug and methamphetamine trading. Now tell me, why should anyone conclude that it was the result of conservative propaganda fanning the flames and not, say, accidentally stumbling into a drug deal while on the job?

[Ritterin Sophia]

For anyone paying attention to the Kentucky murder, the neighborhood the census worker was found was known for problems with prescription drug and methamphetamine trading. Now tell me, why should anyone conclude that it was the result of conservative propaganda fanning the flames and not, say, accidentally stumbling into a drug deal while on the job?

Oh please. What kind of drug deal is he going to *walk in on*? It's not like consensus workers bust your door down then ask you some questions, where were they be holding a fucking meeting at where he could accidentally stumble upon them? The fucking Dairy Queen?

[General Zod]

For anyone paying attention to the Kentucky murder, the neighborhood the census worker was found was known for problems with prescription drug and methamphetamine trading. Now tell me, why should anyone conclude that it was the result of conservative propaganda fanning the flames and not, say, accidentally stumbling into a drug deal while on the job?

Oh please. What kind of drug deal is he going to *walk in on*? It's not like consensus workers bust your door down then ask you some questions, where were they be holding a fucking meeting at where he could accidentally stumble upon them? The fucking Dairy Queen?

In rural shitholes like these, people tend to leave their doors open and the meth-heads aren't horribly bright. Are you seriously this retarded or do you honestly think it's inconceivable he'd stumble across a drug deal in a shithole known for drug problems? I've had people walk up to me and ask if I wanted to buy any of their drugs in a public park and I live in a major city for fuck's sake.

[ThomasP]

It wouldn't even have to be a drug deal, realistically. Anybody associated with 'government' even getting close to a meth lab or something like that could be enough.

We're not exactly talking the brightest of the bright in this situation.

[General Zod]

It wouldn't even have to be a drug deal, realistically. Anybody associated with 'government' even getting close to a meth lab or something like that could be enough.

We're not exactly talking the brightest of the bright in this situation.

That too. I'm just saying it's stupid to blame this on anti-obama conservative bullshit when there's a much simpler explanation.

[Ritterin Sophia]

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Do you honestly not see the how the differences between a small town and a big city would necessitate a different form of operation? Drug deals in rural shitholes do not occur in the fashion you think they do. The towns are small enough that you probably know your dealer on more than a provider-supplier relationship, so the door is almost never open for anyone to just strole on in. Deals are not done in public often, simply because in a small town there's a good chance someone WILL recognize you if they notice, this and erratic behaviour are the two ways someone will most often be caught with narcotics. The deals are typically done in the dealers house or at the buyers house, as I said they'll know each other.

Also, what better way to attract attention than to kill a Federal Worker. They're criminals that've been smart enough to get away with it so far, they'd have to be rank amateurs to kill him in the first place, yet alone in such an attention getting way.

[General Zod]

-snip-

Do you honestly not see the how the differences between a small town and a big city would necessitate a different form of operation? Drug deals in rural shitholes do not occur in the fashion you think they do. The towns are small enough that you probably know your dealer on more than a provider-supplier relationship, so the door is almost never open for anyone to just strole on in. Deals are not done in public often, simply because in a small town there's a good chance someone WILL recognize you if they notice, this and erratic behaviour are the two ways someone will most often be caught with narcotics. The deals are typically done in the dealers house or at the buyers house, as I said they'll know each other.

Also, what better way to attract attention than to kill a Federal Worker. They're criminals that've been smart enough to get away with it so far, they'd have to be rank amateurs to kill him in the first place, yet alone in such an attention getting way.

Whatever. The specific details don't fucking matter, the point is that pinning the crime on local drug activity, in a region known for drug problems is much more feasible than blaming it on anti-obama rhetoric.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Whatever. The specific details don't fucking matter, the point is that pinning the crime on local drug activity, in a region known for drug problems is much more feasible than blaming it on anti-obama rhetoric.

So the very fact that murdering a Federal worker in such a visible way that it's counter to their goals is irrelevent now? Got it. The Appalachian people are ignorant of a great many things, but knowing how to effectively buy and sell narcotics is not one of them.

[General Zod]

Whatever. The specific details don't fucking matter, the point is that pinning the crime on local drug activity, in a region known for drug problems is much more feasible than blaming it on anti-obama rhetoric.

So the very fact that murdering a Federal worker in such a visible way that it's counter to their goals is irrelevent now? Got it. The Appalachian people are ignorant of a great many things, but knowing how to effectively buy and sell narcotics is not one of them.

Because murdering a federal worker over anti-Obama rhetoric makes so much more sense?

[loomer]

How exactly does it just being methheads explain why they hanged the guy and wrote FED on him?

Not to say that methheads can't right-wing extremists. There's actually some serious overlap there in a lot of areas, like the Skinhead gangs.

[General Zod]

How exactly does it just being methheads explain why they hanged the guy and wrote FED on him?

Not to say that methheads can't right-wing extremists. There's actually some serious overlap there in a lot of areas, like the Skinhead gangs.

"Fed" is generally shorthand for "FBI". Maybe they were scared at the thought of someone going door to door, thought he was an FBI agent and decided to do him in. We're not exactly talking about the brightest bulbs in the box here.

[Ritterin Sophia]

"Fed" is generally shorthand for "FBI". Maybe they were scared at the thought of someone going door to door, thought he was an FBI agent and decided to do him in. We're not exactly talking about the brightest bulbs in the box here.

And again, I'm saying they're criminals not retarded. It's obvious that such an act would only draw EVEN MORE attention to themselves.

[Alyrium Denryle]

"Fed" is generally shorthand for "FBI". Maybe they were scared at the thought of someone going door to door, thought he was an FBI agent and decided to do him in. We're not exactly talking about the brightest bulbs in the box here.

Ok. Now, if I were to murder someone, let alone someone who I thought was a federal agent because I thought I was going to get caught doing something else, I would make sure that the body was never found, or if it was found, was not identifiable. Frankly, I would probably incinerate it, and then mix the ashes in with concrete and put it at the bottom of a deep river. Barring that, dismembering, cement, same river. No one would ever even notice the buying of a hack saw and concrete...

I would not draw attention to myself by lynching him and plastering a clue to my motive all over him. That is not something people who are trying to cover up another crime do.

That is something that delusional nutjobs like racists, right (and left) wing nutbars, and religious fanatics do.

Therefore your claim that drug-dealers killing him is more likely than nut jobs is not reasonable.

[loomer]

The difference, Alyrium, is that you're not a backwoods methhead cooking some up in his bathtub. Anyone here could disguise a murder pretty well, but we're not exactly your average Kentucky methhead.

I'm still on the boat that it was a politically motivated murder, but let's keep things in perspective here. A whole lot of people out there have big drug problems as well as extremist views. Is it necessarily an either/or dichotomy?

[Alyrium Denryle]

The difference, Alyrium, is that you're not a backwoods methhead cooking some up in his bathtub. Anyone here could disguise a murder pretty well, but we're not exactly your average Kentucky methhead.

I'm still on the boat that it was a politically motivated murder, but let's keep things in perspective here. A whole lot of people out there have big drug problems as well as extremist views. Is it necessarily an either/or dichotomy?

The question is not whether such people exist, but what the motivation for the crime was. I have known meth heads. They are fucked up, but they are not that kind of fucked up. A meth head is still smart enough to take calculated risks, and make rational decisions a sufficient percent of the time to avoid law enforcement and not blow themselves up at too high a frequency. That is all that is required to even passably conceal a murder unless it was politically motivated in which case the motive requires that the killing or at least the body be public.