Math challenge! [NEW 12/5]
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Math challenge! [NEW 12/5]
Solve this problem and write a formal solution. Either post it in the thread, or, more preferably, attach it to a post, scan it as an image and post it, or upload it to a free-download site.
Problem:
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Problem:
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PS- Yes, I've already solved it.
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Re: Math challenge!
I remember solving this problem by proving a somewhat stronger result:
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[edit]Surlethe: I cut out the outline of my solution. If you want, I can PM or repost it, or try solving the above problem yourself.[/edit]
which would imply an obvious value for your limit. I'm not sure whether that's the most straightforward way of solving your problem, however. Interestingly, treating n as a continuous variable does give (d/dn)[n!F_n(1)] = -Sumk>0 1/(n+k)², so L'Hospital's rule gives the same result, but justifying that approach to your source would have been more work than necessary.
[edit]Surlethe: I cut out the outline of my solution. If you want, I can PM or repost it, or try solving the above problem yourself.[/edit]
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Re: Math challenge!
That's easy I think the real key to the problem is getting a firm handle on F_n(x).
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If I'm right, why don't you go ahead and repost your solution in spoilers?
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Really? I figured that part was more straightforward--it had more algebraic gymnastics, but not much creativity. Although maybe that's because I already expected something the problem to have something to do with a certain well-known constant just from seeing seeing the problem statement. SpoilerSurlethe wrote:That's easy :) I think the real key to the problem is getting a firm handle on F_n(x).
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You're right in limit follows from your first bound, but I doubt that graphing would have been acceptable to your source. Is there another way to establish it? Mine was a long the lines of: SpoilerSurlethe wrote:Spoiler
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I'm sure I've fucked up somewhere, though.
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Re: Math challenge!
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Re: Math challenge!
New math challenge(s)! As above, solve any or all of them and write formal solutions, then post in spoilers.
[1] Prove that e is irrational.
[2] Let f be a real-valued function on the plane such that for any square ABCD f(A) + f(B) + f(C) + f(D) = 0. Characterize f completely.
[EC] Extra credit challenge: Prove that pi is irrational!
The problem in the OP was from last year's Putnam exam.
[1] Prove that e is irrational.
[2] Let f be a real-valued function on the plane such that for any square ABCD f(A) + f(B) + f(C) + f(D) = 0. Characterize f completely.
[EC] Extra credit challenge: Prove that pi is irrational!
The problem in the OP was from last year's Putnam exam.
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Re: Math challenge!
SpoilerSurlethe wrote:[2] Let f be a real-valued function on the plane such that for any square ABCD f(A) + f(B) + f(C) + f(D) = 0. Characterize f completely.
[EEC] Prove that e and pi are irrational using the same method.Surlethe wrote:[EC] Extra credit challenge: Prove that pi is irrational!
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Re: Math challenge!
SpoilerSurlethe wrote:[2] Let f be a real-valued function on the plane such that for any square ABCD f(A) + f(B) + f(C) + f(D) = 0. Characterize f completely.
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Re: Math challenge! [NEW 12/5]
That's neat, Darth Holbytlan. I should've resisted the urge to overconstrain it.
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Re: Math challenge! [NEW 12/5]
Sure, as long as you don't use Euler's identity or complex numbersKuroneko wrote:[EEC] Prove that e and pi are irrational using the same method.
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